Zone1 How are you saved and how to know youll be in heaven?

[Ringo]

why would there need to be a purgatory?

I guess the existence of purgatory made it easier for the Catholic Church to justify the sale of indulgences?

 

[Meriweather]

I guess the existence of purgatory made it easier for the Catholic Church to justify the sale of indulgences?

Indulgences were about temporal punishment/consequences to be worked out in this world. Part of penance is making restitution to those one has sinned against.

Indulgence - Prayer, abstaining from a favorite food or activity, giving of oneself (voluntary work, not just money). Indulgences are a way of returning to being at one (atone) with God and with one another.

 

[BreezeWood]

If you believe anything else youre in very dangerous territory according to the bible and Jesus.

not one word is found in the christian bible written by jesus -

nor what they taught, liberation theology, self determination what they and all the others that gave their lives in the 1st century - believed in. as the goal for remission to the everlasting.

 

[ninja007]

Indulgences were about temporal punishment/consequences to be worked out in this world. Part of penance is making restitution to those one has sinned against.

Indulgence - Prayer, abstaining from a favorite food or activity, giving of oneself (voluntary work, not just money). Indulgences are a way of returning to being at one (atone) with God and with one another.

what verse prove purgatory?

 

[ninja007]

Indulgences were about temporal punishment/consequences to be worked out in this world. Part of penance is making restitution to those one has sinned against.

Indulgence - Prayer, abstaining from a favorite food or activity, giving of oneself (voluntary work, not just money). Indulgences are a way of returning to being at one (atone) with God and with one another.

your works are like filthy rags.

 

[Blues Man]

The Bible says more, and the Bible has context. Copying and pasting cherry-picked proof-texts is not a good technique for either teaching or discussion.

Martin Luther decided there was no purgatory, and one of the reasons he tossed books from the Bible was to cover up the idea people in Biblical times prayed for the dead. One has to be totally convinced of something to throw out the Biblical texts not only in use before the time of Jesus, but for fifteen centuries after Jesus, too.

One might say Martin Luther is a very good first example of Biblical cherry-pickers. Easy to understand in his case. His early life was quite difficult.

That's funny YOU talking about cherry picking

 

[Meriweather]

what verse prove purgatory?

Look intently, but you will not see...

 

[ding]

your works are like filthy rags.

Actually they are the manifestation of a Christ conscience. You seem to have embraced the form of your religion rather than the spirit of God.

 

[Meriweather]

Actually they are the manifestation of a Christ conscience.

A Hebrew commentary notes that the passage is mourning that the people have treated good deeds as filthy rags...they have discarded them with as little disregard as they would a filthy rag.

Hebrew doesn't often translate well into English, and that is why we get so many insisting our good deeds are filthy rags. Another commentary notes that what often what we claim as a good deed, that deed has an ulterior motive and that ulterior motive is the dirty rag God also sees.

It's an interesting verse.

 

[ding]

A Hebrew commentary notes that the passage is mourning that the people have treated good deeds as filthy rags...they have discarded them with as little disregard as they would a filthy rag.

Hebrew doesn't often translate well into English, and that is why we get so many insisting our good deeds are filthy rags. Another commentary notes that what often what we claim as a good deed, that deed has an ulterior motive and that ulterior motive is the dirty rag God also sees.

It's an interesting verse.

True. To put this in secular terms, it would be the sixth stage of the morality progression where we do the right thing for the right reason despite the consequence to ourselves.