Homeschooling: the ultimate results

[Soupnazi630]

The state is not in the role of the parents.

If all parents were involved in public schools, education would be in good shape.

When parents ignore schools, the state will step in.

Except that in this case you have it quite backwards.

The state has striven to TAKE control of kids from parents and not due to any lack of involvement by parents. When parents are discouraged from taking part of or control of their kids education why should they be involved?

From the creation of kindergarten ( borrowed from germany ) to school busing to end natural segregation to the creation of the federal department of education the state has made it very clear they do not want parents involved or to have any control over their kids.

They have even made it a crime in most states to NOT educate one's kids. This seems logical on it;s surface, after all any decent parent wants a batter life for their kids and education is an important part of that.

However when far too many schools in the inner cities are cesspools of gangs and drugs and violence some parents may reasonably conclude that it is better to spend what time is possible with their kid in a library trying to teach them something rather than sending them to a physically dangerous state run holding area where no education is imparted anyways.

We see massive evidence that parents DO care about their kids education and want the best for their kids. The problem is the state is NOT interested in what they want and assumes the parents are not wise enough to decide what is best and so the parents are ignored.

When charter schools were very popular parents would camp out all night on the curb in long lines to try and get their kids into one and often those parents were lower income minorities who saw it is a good opportunity for their kids.

The state refuses to cede control of schools and kids however so the narrative that parents are not involved is a fallacy. The state does not want parents involved and will not allow it.

Kids go to public schools because the state can assemble qualified instructors in various subjects
It also frees up parents to work

This is simply untrue if the states have to force kids into public schools and they DO.

 

[bodecea]

Home schooled students do not have the distractions of bullying, violence, pressure to use drugs, as public schooled children. That's why they do so much better.

Homeschoolers Win High-school Mock Trial Championship

HSLDA | Homeschool Wins IT Competition; Spurs National Debate

So...they will be SO prepared for those things as an adult in the work force.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Of course there are. That's where the ones with the high SATs come from. Many don't take advantage of those resources, and nothing in federal law says they have to. If there were requirements for parents to use those resources, or to determine if the child is being taught anything, then home schooling might be a viable option.

Agree
Make home schoolers meet the same standards a public school must meet. If you don't, your kid gets placed in public school

Public school standards suck and home schooled kids generally do better.

it is public schools which should be elevated to a higher standard

If public school is so bad, homeschool should have no problem meeting basic standards

As opposed to seeing the results which clearly shows home schooled kids do better. When the results speak for themselves AND THEY DO the problem is with the standards which others wish to impose.

Fine....if they are doing better, great for them
If mom home schools because she does not like to get up in the morning and class consists of watching TV all day then the kids should be placed in public school

Home schooled students do not have the distractions of bullying, violence, pressure to use drugs, as public schooled children. That's why they do so much better.

Homeschoolers Win High-school Mock Trial Championship

HSLDA | Homeschool Wins IT Competition; Spurs National Debate

So...they will be SO prepared for those things as an adult in the work force.

Home schooled students do not have the distractions of bullying, violence, pressure to use drugs, as public schooled children. That's why they do so much better.

Homeschoolers Win High-school Mock Trial Championship

HSLDA | Homeschool Wins IT Competition; Spurs National Debate

So...they will be SO prepared for those things as an adult in the work force.

Such things are usually not tolerated in most workplaces so yes they will be better prepared.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I think that homeschooling is great, as long as you don't want your kids to be more educated than you.

That's dumb. Have you never heard of an online school? The student works at home and remote teachers grade the work and give help when needed.

This isn't the 1950's any more.

Sort of like DeVry University, and Phoenix University!

 

[rightwinger]

The state is not in the role of the parents.

If all parents were involved in public schools, education would be in good shape.

When parents ignore schools, the state will step in.

Except that in this case you have it quite backwards.

The state has striven to TAKE control of kids from parents and not due to any lack of involvement by parents. When parents are discouraged from taking part of or control of their kids education why should they be involved?

From the creation of kindergarten ( borrowed from germany ) to school busing to end natural segregation to the creation of the federal department of education the state has made it very clear they do not want parents involved or to have any control over their kids.

They have even made it a crime in most states to NOT educate one's kids. This seems logical on it;s surface, after all any decent parent wants a batter life for their kids and education is an important part of that.

However when far too many schools in the inner cities are cesspools of gangs and drugs and violence some parents may reasonably conclude that it is better to spend what time is possible with their kid in a library trying to teach them something rather than sending them to a physically dangerous state run holding area where no education is imparted anyways.

We see massive evidence that parents DO care about their kids education and want the best for their kids. The problem is the state is NOT interested in what they want and assumes the parents are not wise enough to decide what is best and so the parents are ignored.

When charter schools were very popular parents would camp out all night on the curb in long lines to try and get their kids into one and often those parents were lower income minorities who saw it is a good opportunity for their kids.

The state refuses to cede control of schools and kids however so the narrative that parents are not involved is a fallacy. The state does not want parents involved and will not allow it.

Kids go to public schools because the state can assemble qualified instructors in various subjects
It also frees up parents to work

This is simply untrue if the states have to force kids into public schools and they DO.

First of all... Our public school system has made our nation the greatest in the world

Secondly, nobody is forced to use the public school system

 

[BULLDOG]

I have a nephew who was home schooled, and today, he is the union shop steward in a Peterbilt Truck assembly plant, so it is not as if he didn't learn any skills at all.

Of course. Some home school parents are concerned and capable of giving their children a great education. The one on one teaching is much better than a large class. However, it's wrong to say all parents are educated enough to give their children a quality education, and pointing to the ones lucky enough to have parents do as the expected outcome of home schooling is just wrong. With required standards home schooling could be a great idea. Without them lots of children are missing the chance at a better, more productive life.

You don't have to have a great education yourself to give your child one. There are resources that make that possible.

Of course there are. That's where the ones with the high SATs come from. Many don't take advantage of those resources, and nothing in federal law says they have to. If there were requirements for parents to use those resources, or to determine if the child is being taught anything, then home schooling might be a viable option.

Agree
Make home schoolers meet the same standards a public school must meet. If you don't, your kid gets placed in public school

Public school standards suck and home schooled kids generally do better.

it is public schools which should be elevated to a higher standard

So if public schools are bad, It's OK with you that home schoolers don't even have to be at least that good?

 

[koshergrl]

I think that homeschooling is great, as long as you don't want your kids to be more educated than you.

That's dumb. Have you never heard of an online school? The student works at home and remote teachers grade the work and give help when needed.

This isn't the 1950's any more.

Sort of like DeVry University, and Phoenix University!

Which are sufficient to get you hired by the government...including as a teacher.

 

[rightwinger]

Home schooled students do not have the distractions of bullying, violence, pressure to use drugs, as public schooled children. That's why they do so much better.

Homeschoolers Win High-school Mock Trial Championship

HSLDA | Homeschool Wins IT Competition; Spurs National Debate

So...they will be SO prepared for those things as an adult in the work force.

I know....those homeschool kids will be forced to work with negroes

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I think that homeschooling is great, as long as you don't want your kids to be more educated than you.

That was my biggest problem with homeschooling in Florida. There it is perfectly legal for two high school dropouts to homeschool their special education student through high school with little or no supervision. They just waited until the kid turned 16 and stopped teaching them anything.

 

[Vandalshandle]

The most conservative guy I know does not know how to run a computer. He says that it is all socialist fake news, and doesn't want anything to do with it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I think that homeschooling is great, as long as you don't want your kids to be more educated than you.

That's dumb. Have you never heard of an online school? The student works at home and remote teachers grade the work and give help when needed.

This isn't the 1950's any more.

Online schools are great for some kids, but most do not learn as well.

Ever tried taking an on-line PE class?

How about chorus?

Band?

Welding?

 

[rightwinger]

I used to have a woman live next to me who was a Jesus freak

Of course her two young kids were homeschooled. Class consisted of reading the bible

The kids were dumb as rocks and sort of creepy

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Some of the homeschoolers who are actually taught possibly do quite well. Since there is no federal requirement for any standardized tests or even monitoring to see if the children are being taught anything, and many states don't bother to do that, there is no way to know how many just fall through the cracks and receive little of no education.

Check with the college instructors, particular those at community colleges who deal with mommas' darlings.

No need to check with anyone. I have direct knowledge of children who weren't taught anything. Imagine an 8 year old child who doesn't know the difference between a nickle and a quarter because his parents didn't bother to teach him. With no monitoring whatsoever, the state had no idea what the situation was, and no reason to do anything about it.

I have a nephew who was home schooled, and today, he is the union shop steward in a Peterbilt Truck assembly plant, so it is not as if he didn't learn any skills at all.

Of course. Some home school parents are concerned and capable of giving their children a great education. The one on one teaching is much better than a large class. However, it's wrong to say all parents are educated enough to give their children a quality education, and pointing to the ones lucky enough to have parents do as the expected outcome of home schooling is just wrong. With required standards home schooling could be a great idea. Without them lots of children are missing the chance at a better, more productive life.

You don't have to have a great education yourself to give your child one. There are resources that make that possible.

Yes, they are called "schools".

 

[BULLDOG]

Agree
Make home schoolers meet the same standards a public school must meet. If you don't, your kid gets placed in public school

Public school standards suck and home schooled kids generally do better.

it is public schools which should be elevated to a higher standard

If public school is so bad, homeschool should have no problem meeting basic standards

As opposed to seeing the results which clearly shows home schooled kids do better. When the results speak for themselves AND THEY DO the problem is with the standards which others wish to impose.

Fine....if they are doing better, great for them
If mom home schools because she does not like to get up in the morning and class consists of watching TV all day then the kids should be placed in public school

Home schooled students do not have the distractions of bullying, violence, pressure to use drugs, as public schooled children. That's why they do so much better.

Homeschoolers Win High-school Mock Trial Championship

HSLDA | Homeschool Wins IT Competition; Spurs National Debate

So...they will be SO prepared for those things as an adult in the work force.

Home schooled students do not have the distractions of bullying, violence, pressure to use drugs, as public schooled children. That's why they do so much better.

Homeschoolers Win High-school Mock Trial Championship

HSLDA | Homeschool Wins IT Competition; Spurs National Debate

So...they will be SO prepared for those things as an adult in the work force.

Such things are usually not tolerated in most workplaces so yes they will be better prepared.

And we know that all parents teach their kids to behave properly.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I love it when fake makes an idiot of himself and then says something random to try to divert attention from his stupidity.

Private schools are free to make and choose their own curriculum. That's crucial

Actually, that is not true. Most have minimum standards set by the state as to what constitutes an education.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I used to have a woman live next to me who was a Jesus freak

Of course her two young kids were homeschooled. Class consisted of reading the bible

The kids were dumb as rocks and sort of creepy

My brother and his wife taught their kid this way, too. The kid came out undereducated, and angry. My brother and his wife remain kind of creepy themselves Their kid hasn't talked to them in decades.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I have a nephew who was home schooled, and today, he is the union shop steward in a Peterbilt Truck assembly plant, so it is not as if he didn't learn any skills at all.

Of course. Some home school parents are concerned and capable of giving their children a great education. The one on one teaching is much better than a large class. However, it's wrong to say all parents are educated enough to give their children a quality education, and pointing to the ones lucky enough to have parents do as the expected outcome of home schooling is just wrong. With required standards home schooling could be a great idea. Without them lots of children are missing the chance at a better, more productive life.

You don't have to have a great education yourself to give your child one. There are resources that make that possible.

Of course there are. That's where the ones with the high SATs come from. Many don't take advantage of those resources, and nothing in federal law says they have to. If there were requirements for parents to use those resources, or to determine if the child is being taught anything, then home schooling might be a viable option.

Agree
Make home schoolers meet the same standards a public school must meet. If you don't, your kid gets placed in public school

Public school standards suck and home schooled kids generally do better.

it is public schools which should be elevated to a higher standard

Sure, let's raise the standards so more students can fail!

 

[BULLDOG]

You don't have to have a great education yourself to give your child one. There are resources that make that possible.

Of course there are. That's where the ones with the high SATs come from. Many don't take advantage of those resources, and nothing in federal law says they have to. If there were requirements for parents to use those resources, or to determine if the child is being taught anything, then home schooling might be a viable option.

Agree
Make home schoolers meet the same standards a public school must meet. If you don't, your kid gets placed in public school

Public school standards suck and home schooled kids generally do better.

it is public schools which should be elevated to a higher standard

If public school is so bad, homeschool should have no problem meeting basic standards

As opposed to seeing the results which clearly shows home schooled kids do better. When the results speak for themselves AND THEY DO the problem is with the standards which others wish to impose.

Some home schoolers do better.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I love it when fake makes an idiot of himself and then says something random to try to divert attention from his stupidity.

Private schools are free to make and choose their own curriculum. That's crucial

Actually, that is not true. Most have minimum standards set by the state as to what constitutes an education.

Private schools meet and exceed mimimum standards. And in the process tells the government to pound sand

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You don't have to have a great education yourself to give your child one. There are resources that make that possible.

Of course there are. That's where the ones with the high SATs come from. Many don't take advantage of those resources, and nothing in federal law says they have to. If there were requirements for parents to use those resources, or to determine if the child is being taught anything, then home schooling might be a viable option.

Agree
Make home schoolers meet the same standards a public school must meet. If you don't, your kid gets placed in public school

Public school standards suck and home schooled kids generally do better.

it is public schools which should be elevated to a higher standard

If public school is so bad, homeschool should have no problem meeting basic standards

As opposed to seeing the results which clearly shows home schooled kids do better. When the results speak for themselves AND THEY DO the problem is with the standards which others wish to impose.

Homeschooled kids do better? Why do homeschooler continue to propagate this lie? For every kid that wins the national spelling bee or geography bee, there is another kid who was homeschooled because momma and baby daddy got tired of getting phone calls from the school telling them their little bastard ditched school again and they are going to lock the parents up for truancy. That kid never gets tested and never shows up in the stats because they never graduate.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I love it when fake makes an idiot of himself and then says something random to try to divert attention from his stupidity.

Private schools are free to make and choose their own curriculum. That's crucial

Actually, that is not true. Most have minimum standards set by the state as to what constitutes an education.

Private schools meet and exceed mimimum standards. And in the process tells the government to pound sand

That still doesn't explain why you chose to lie about private schools choosing their own curriculum.