Homeschooling: the ultimate results

[Soupnazi630]

Of course there are. That's where the ones with the high SATs come from. Many don't take advantage of those resources, and nothing in federal law says they have to. If there were requirements for parents to use those resources, or to determine if the child is being taught anything, then home schooling might be a viable option.

Agree
Make home schoolers meet the same standards a public school must meet. If you don't, your kid gets placed in public school

Public school standards suck and home schooled kids generally do better.

it is public schools which should be elevated to a higher standard

So if public schools are bad, It's OK with you that home schoolers don't even have to be at least that good?

Yes it is.

Home schoolers overwhelmingly ARE in fact better educated than public schools which merely goes to show when people are left alone they will manage for themselves without state coercion which invariably fails

Are you basing that on all home schooled students, or just the ones who take college entrance exams? Many don't bother with those exams. You still didn't answer the question though.

I clearly did answer it.

YES IT IS.

As in yes it is ok and explained why.

NOT taking a college entrance exam does not indicate a lack of education so your singling out that example is irrelevant.

 

[koshergrl]

Public school standards suck and home schooled kids generally do better.

it is public schools which should be elevated to a higher standard

If public school is so bad, homeschool should have no problem meeting basic standards

As opposed to seeing the results which clearly shows home schooled kids do better. When the results speak for themselves AND THEY DO the problem is with the standards which others wish to impose.

Homeschooled kids do better? Why do homeschooler continue to propagate this lie? For every kid that wins the national spelling bee or geography bee, there is another kid who was homeschooled because momma and baby daddy got tired of getting phone calls from the school telling them their little bastard ditched school again and they are going to lock the parents up for truancy. That kid never gets tested and never shows up in the stats because they never graduate.

It is fact not a lie which you are using hyperbole rather than evidence to argue against

Did you read my post? Evidently you were homeschooled and never learned to read for content.

One example would disprove your theory. I provided that.

No, you didn't. You are still lying.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Public school standards suck and home schooled kids generally do better.

it is public schools which should be elevated to a higher standard

If public school is so bad, homeschool should have no problem meeting basic standards

As opposed to seeing the results which clearly shows home schooled kids do better. When the results speak for themselves AND THEY DO the problem is with the standards which others wish to impose.

Homeschooled kids do better? Why do homeschooler continue to propagate this lie? For every kid that wins the national spelling bee or geography bee, there is another kid who was homeschooled because momma and baby daddy got tired of getting phone calls from the school telling them their little bastard ditched school again and they are going to lock the parents up for truancy. That kid never gets tested and never shows up in the stats because they never graduate.

It is fact not a lie which you are using hyperbole rather than evidence to argue against

Did you read my post? Evidently you were homeschooled and never learned to read for content.

One example would disprove your theory. I provided that.

I stated fact not theory and a truly educated person knows that anecdotes ( which is your one example ) prove nothing.

You stated no evidence of any sort to undermine or challenge the facts and my facts were not absolutes but generalizations supported by evidence as many throughout the thread have shown,

 

[Soupnazi630]

If public school is so bad, homeschool should have no problem meeting basic standards

As opposed to seeing the results which clearly shows home schooled kids do better. When the results speak for themselves AND THEY DO the problem is with the standards which others wish to impose.

Homeschooled kids do better? Why do homeschooler continue to propagate this lie? For every kid that wins the national spelling bee or geography bee, there is another kid who was homeschooled because momma and baby daddy got tired of getting phone calls from the school telling them their little bastard ditched school again and they are going to lock the parents up for truancy. That kid never gets tested and never shows up in the stats because they never graduate.

It is fact not a lie which you are using hyperbole rather than evidence to argue against

Did you read my post? Evidently you were homeschooled and never learned to read for content.

One example would disprove your theory. I provided that.

No, you didn't. You are still lying.

I stated fact and it is you lying about me lying

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Agree
Make home schoolers meet the same standards a public school must meet. If you don't, your kid gets placed in public school

Public school standards suck and home schooled kids generally do better.

it is public schools which should be elevated to a higher standard

So if public schools are bad, It's OK with you that home schoolers don't even have to be at least that good?

Yes it is.

***Home schoolers overwhelmingly ARE in fact better educated than public schools which merely goes to show when people are left alone they will manage for themselves without state coercion which invariably fails

You keep forgetting the word "some" at the beginning of your statement.

No I did not because it would not be accurate.

As a public school teacher, I had countless students that were homeschooled and then the parents woke up and enrolled them in public school. Most of them were two to three years behind in their math skills.

I know the problem. You live in La-La land!

 

[rightwinger]

Kids go to public schools because the state can assemble qualified instructors in various subjects
It also frees up parents to work

This is simply untrue if the states have to force kids into public schools and they DO.

First of all... Our public school system has made our nation the greatest in the world

Secondly, nobody is forced to use the public school system

First of all that is very arguable. While no one I know of is claiming education in general is a bad thing your assertion that it is THE cause of American greatness is a dubious and highly ignorant statement.

Second yes many ARE forced to do so through truancy laws.

Free public school education has been the great equalizer in this country

And once again that is merely a general opinion not something which can be demonstrated.

It has been demonstrated millions of times over

 

[Soupnazi630]

Public school standards suck and home schooled kids generally do better.

it is public schools which should be elevated to a higher standard

So if public schools are bad, It's OK with you that home schoolers don't even have to be at least that good?

Yes it is.

***Home schoolers overwhelmingly ARE in fact better educated than public schools which merely goes to show when people are left alone they will manage for themselves without state coercion which invariably fails

You keep forgetting the word "some" at the beginning of your statement.

No I did not because it would not be accurate.

As a public school teacher, I had countless students that were homeschooled and then the parents woke up and enrolled them in public school. Most of them were two to three years behind in their math skills.

I know the problem. You live in La-La land!

You are ignorant of the problem and offering no evidence to support your weak position.

Others have posted evidence which you can only whine about

 

[Soupnazi630]

This is simply untrue if the states have to force kids into public schools and they DO.

First of all... Our public school system has made our nation the greatest in the world

Secondly, nobody is forced to use the public school system

First of all that is very arguable. While no one I know of is claiming education in general is a bad thing your assertion that it is THE cause of American greatness is a dubious and highly ignorant statement.

Second yes many ARE forced to do so through truancy laws.

Free public school education has been the great equalizer in this country

And once again that is merely a general opinion not something which can be demonstrated.

It has been demonstrated millions of times over

No it never has the burden is on you to demonstrate it not some vague other.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If public school is so bad, homeschool should have no problem meeting basic standards

As opposed to seeing the results which clearly shows home schooled kids do better. When the results speak for themselves AND THEY DO the problem is with the standards which others wish to impose.

Homeschooled kids do better? Why do homeschooler continue to propagate this lie? For every kid that wins the national spelling bee or geography bee, there is another kid who was homeschooled because momma and baby daddy got tired of getting phone calls from the school telling them their little bastard ditched school again and they are going to lock the parents up for truancy. That kid never gets tested and never shows up in the stats because they never graduate.

It is fact not a lie which you are using hyperbole rather than evidence to argue against

Did you read my post? Evidently you were homeschooled and never learned to read for content.

One example would disprove your theory. I provided that.

I stated fact not theory and a truly educated person knows that anecdotes ( which is your one example ) prove nothing.

You stated no evidence of any sort to undermine or challenge the facts and my facts were not absolutes but generalizations supported by evidence as many throughout the thread have shown,

My anecdotes are acquired through years of personal experience. What do you have? Stats that you haven't provided and if you did could be easily disproven in a matter of seconds.

 

[koshergrl]

Public school standards suck and home schooled kids generally do better.

it is public schools which should be elevated to a higher standard

So if public schools are bad, It's OK with you that home schoolers don't even have to be at least that good?

Yes it is.

***Home schoolers overwhelmingly ARE in fact better educated than public schools which merely goes to show when people are left alone they will manage for themselves without state coercion which invariably fails

You keep forgetting the word "some" at the beginning of your statement.

No I did not because it would not be accurate.

As a public school teacher, I had countless students that were homeschooled and then the parents woke up and enrolled them in public school. Most of them were two to three years behind in their math skills.

I know the problem. You live in La-La land!

Oh god I remember..you're a TEACHER. That explains both your stupidity and your dishonesty.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So if public schools are bad, It's OK with you that home schoolers don't even have to be at least that good?

Yes it is.

***Home schoolers overwhelmingly ARE in fact better educated than public schools which merely goes to show when people are left alone they will manage for themselves without state coercion which invariably fails

You keep forgetting the word "some" at the beginning of your statement.

No I did not because it would not be accurate.

As a public school teacher, I had countless students that were homeschooled and then the parents woke up and enrolled them in public school. Most of them were two to three years behind in their math skills.

I know the problem. You live in La-La land!

You are ignorant of the problem and offering no evidence to support your weak position.

Others have posted evidence which you can only whine about

I am sorry that you never learned to read and never learned logic. We you homeschooled?

 

[BULLDOG]

Agree
Make home schoolers meet the same standards a public school must meet. If you don't, your kid gets placed in public school

Public school standards suck and home schooled kids generally do better.

it is public schools which should be elevated to a higher standard

If public school is so bad, homeschool should have no problem meeting basic standards

As opposed to seeing the results which clearly shows home schooled kids do better. When the results speak for themselves AND THEY DO the problem is with the standards which others wish to impose.

What results would those be? The ones touted by homeschoolers to slap themselves on the back and tell each other what a great job they are doing? Are those the stats that have no basis in reality because of the bias in their methods?

They have every basis in reality and merely undermine the belief that home schooling fails, yes those stats which you have no stats to refute

Based on what percentage of home schooled children? Link? I doubt you can provide a link, because there is no way of telling exactly how many children are home schooled. In some states, as soon as the parent notifies the school they will be home schooling, the child ceases to exist as far as the education system is concerned. No required tests. No evaluations, Nothing.

 

[Soupnazi630]

As opposed to seeing the results which clearly shows home schooled kids do better. When the results speak for themselves AND THEY DO the problem is with the standards which others wish to impose.

Homeschooled kids do better? Why do homeschooler continue to propagate this lie? For every kid that wins the national spelling bee or geography bee, there is another kid who was homeschooled because momma and baby daddy got tired of getting phone calls from the school telling them their little bastard ditched school again and they are going to lock the parents up for truancy. That kid never gets tested and never shows up in the stats because they never graduate.

It is fact not a lie which you are using hyperbole rather than evidence to argue against

Did you read my post? Evidently you were homeschooled and never learned to read for content.

One example would disprove your theory. I provided that.

I stated fact not theory and a truly educated person knows that anecdotes ( which is your one example ) prove nothing.

You stated no evidence of any sort to undermine or challenge the facts and my facts were not absolutes but generalizations supported by evidence as many throughout the thread have shown,

My anecdotes are acquired through years of personal experience. What do you have? Stats that you haven't provided and if you did could be easily disproven in a matter of seconds.

As I said other provided them and you refuse to even look at them and it is irrelevant where anecdotes come from they are evidence of nothing at all.

You are arguing from authority without any credible authority which is a logical fallacy.

You actually admitted you have seen the stats proving you wrong but discount them because........you do not like them.

You have offered nothing of any credibility to refute them

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If public school is so bad, homeschool should have no problem meeting basic standards

As opposed to seeing the results which clearly shows home schooled kids do better. When the results speak for themselves AND THEY DO the problem is with the standards which others wish to impose.

Fine....if they are doing better, great for them
If mom home schools because she does not like to get up in the morning and class consists of watching TV all day then the kids should be placed in public school

Home schooled students do not have the distractions of bullying, violence, pressure to use drugs, as public schooled children. That's why they do so much better.

Homeschoolers Win High-school Mock Trial Championship

HSLDA | Homeschool Wins IT Competition; Spurs National Debate

So...they will be SO prepared for those things as an adult in the work force.

Home schooled students do not have the distractions of bullying, violence, pressure to use drugs, as public schooled children. That's why they do so much better.

Homeschoolers Win High-school Mock Trial Championship

HSLDA | Homeschool Wins IT Competition; Spurs National Debate

So...they will be SO prepared for those things as an adult in the work force.

Such things are usually not tolerated in most workplaces so yes they will be better prepared.

Hilarious!

And factually true

Let me guess! You are self-employed and never worked for anyone else!

Am I right?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Public school standards suck and home schooled kids generally do better.

it is public schools which should be elevated to a higher standard

If public school is so bad, homeschool should have no problem meeting basic standards

As opposed to seeing the results which clearly shows home schooled kids do better. When the results speak for themselves AND THEY DO the problem is with the standards which others wish to impose.

What results would those be? The ones touted by homeschoolers to slap themselves on the back and tell each other what a great job they are doing? Are those the stats that have no basis in reality because of the bias in their methods?

They have every basis in reality and merely undermine the belief that home schooling fails, yes those stats which you have no stats to refute

Based on what percentage of home schooled children? Link? I doubt you can provide a link, because there is no way of telling exactly how many children are home schooled. In some states, as soon as the parent notifies the school they will be home schooling, the child ceases to exist as far as the education system is concerned. No required tests. No evaluations, Nothing.

And that is as it should be as the state has no business micromanaging people

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If public school is so bad, homeschool should have no problem meeting basic standards

As opposed to seeing the results which clearly shows home schooled kids do better. When the results speak for themselves AND THEY DO the problem is with the standards which others wish to impose.

Homeschooled kids do better? Why do homeschooler continue to propagate this lie? For every kid that wins the national spelling bee or geography bee, there is another kid who was homeschooled because momma and baby daddy got tired of getting phone calls from the school telling them their little bastard ditched school again and they are going to lock the parents up for truancy. That kid never gets tested and never shows up in the stats because they never graduate.

It is fact not a lie which you are using hyperbole rather than evidence to argue against

Did you read my post? Evidently you were homeschooled and never learned to read for content.

One example would disprove your theory. I provided that.

I stated fact not theory and a truly educated person knows that anecdotes ( which is your one example ) prove nothing.

You stated no evidence of any sort to undermine or challenge the facts and my facts were not absolutes but generalizations supported by evidence as many throughout the thread have shown,

You have provided no evidence for me to dispute? Why is that? Is the HSDLA website down for maintenance?

 

[Soupnazi630]

As opposed to seeing the results which clearly shows home schooled kids do better. When the results speak for themselves AND THEY DO the problem is with the standards which others wish to impose.

Fine....if they are doing better, great for them
If mom home schools because she does not like to get up in the morning and class consists of watching TV all day then the kids should be placed in public school

Home schooled students do not have the distractions of bullying, violence, pressure to use drugs, as public schooled children. That's why they do so much better.

Homeschoolers Win High-school Mock Trial Championship

HSLDA | Homeschool Wins IT Competition; Spurs National Debate

So...they will be SO prepared for those things as an adult in the work force.

Home schooled students do not have the distractions of bullying, violence, pressure to use drugs, as public schooled children. That's why they do so much better.

Homeschoolers Win High-school Mock Trial Championship

HSLDA | Homeschool Wins IT Competition; Spurs National Debate

So...they will be SO prepared for those things as an adult in the work force.

Such things are usually not tolerated in most workplaces so yes they will be better prepared.

Hilarious!

And factually true

Let me guess! You are self-employed and never worked for anyone else!

Am I right?

You are way wrong actually I have never owned a business and have always worked for others.

 

[Soupnazi630]

As opposed to seeing the results which clearly shows home schooled kids do better. When the results speak for themselves AND THEY DO the problem is with the standards which others wish to impose.

Homeschooled kids do better? Why do homeschooler continue to propagate this lie? For every kid that wins the national spelling bee or geography bee, there is another kid who was homeschooled because momma and baby daddy got tired of getting phone calls from the school telling them their little bastard ditched school again and they are going to lock the parents up for truancy. That kid never gets tested and never shows up in the stats because they never graduate.

It is fact not a lie which you are using hyperbole rather than evidence to argue against

Did you read my post? Evidently you were homeschooled and never learned to read for content.

One example would disprove your theory. I provided that.

I stated fact not theory and a truly educated person knows that anecdotes ( which is your one example ) prove nothing.

You stated no evidence of any sort to undermine or challenge the facts and my facts were not absolutes but generalizations supported by evidence as many throughout the thread have shown,

You have provided no evidence for me to dispute? Why is that? Is the HSDLA website down for maintenance?

I did not say I provided any.

The OP did and you admitted you have seen stats which you do not like. So you see YOU provided it in a backhanded manner.

Under those circumstances I need not offer any but merely wait for you to offer some evidence

 

[koshergrl]

So if public schools are bad, It's OK with you that home schoolers don't even have to be at least that good?

Yes it is.

***Home schoolers overwhelmingly ARE in fact better educated than public schools which merely goes to show when people are left alone they will manage for themselves without state coercion which invariably fails

You keep forgetting the word "some" at the beginning of your statement.

No I did not because it would not be accurate.

As a public school teacher, I had countless students that were homeschooled and then the parents woke up and enrolled them in public school. Most of them were two to three years behind in their math skills.

I know the problem. You live in La-La land!

You are ignorant of the problem and offering no evidence to support your weak position.

Others have posted evidence which you can only whine about

He's a teacher.
Probably a "social studies' or "language arts" teacher. They're the dumbest.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Home schoolers normally are good at general concrete tasks but can't abstract.

Essay writing is an example. Generally, they can create a general essay structure but they can't demonstrate critical thinking or sold conclusions with the "why" of the emphasis being important.

So if you need a rote task worker, hire a home schooler that does not require critical or constructive thinking.

Link? Proof?

Jake never provides links or proof. Ever. It's always basically whatever he pulls out of his ass.