Homeless girl National Science Semi-Finalist - is helping her "socialism"?

[rdean]

Homeless whiz kid will get a new home - Technology & science - Science

BRENTWOOD, N.Y. — Samantha Garvey and her family had been living in a Long Island shelter for several days when they got word that the 17-year-old aspiring marine biologist made it to the semifinals of the prestigious national Intel science competition.

Now, with donations coming in and the county finding them rent-subsidized housing, she'll again be able to do her homework in a home of her own.

Evicted on New Year's Eve the Brentwood High School senior, who has applied to Yale and Brown universities, was evicted along with her family from their home on New Year's Eve. Her mother, Olga, a nurse's assistant, was out of work for eight months following a car accident in February. Her father, Leo, could not keep up with the bills alone on his salary as a cab driver.

Once sponsored by Westinghouse, the Society for Science and the Public has been running the competition since 1942. Over the decades, contest finalists have gone on to some of the greatest achievements in science. Seven have won a Nobel Prize.

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I'm pretty sure Republicans would call helping this girl "socialism of the worst sort". What do you think? Is this "socialism"?

 

[Mr. H.]

There's a difference between Socialism and being socially responsible.

 

[California Girl]

There's a difference between Socialism and being socially responsible.

Yes, there is. But rdean won't know what it is.

 

[rdean]

There's a difference between Socialism and being socially responsible.

Educate me. Please explain the difference.

 

[rdean]

There's a difference between Socialism and being socially responsible.

Yes, there is. But rdean won't know what it is.

Yes, please spell it out. I'm all ears.

 

[California Girl]

There's a difference between Socialism and being socially responsible.

Yes, there is. But rdean won't know what it is.

Yes, please spell it out. I'm all ears.

Social Responsibility is an ethics based ideology that an individual is obliged to act in a wat that benefits society.

Socialism is based on common ownership for the good of the whole.

I believe strongly in social responsibility and act accordingly - by choice.

Socialism removes my choice and forces me to do what other people decide is in the common interest.

 

[rdean]

Yes, there is. But rdean won't know what it is.

Yes, please spell it out. I'm all ears.

Social Responsibility is an ethics based ideology that an individual is obliged to act in a wat that benefits society.

Socialism is based on common ownership for the good of the whole.

I believe strongly in social responsibility and act accordingly - by choice.

Socialism removes my choice and forces me to do what other people decide is in the common interest.

Please clarify one point.

The "good of the whole"? Is a "way that benefits society" different? Because you are only talking about "part of society" and not the "whole society"? So which part of society is "worthy" and which part "isn't"?

 

[PredFan]

Why do we have a social responsibility to provide this girl, and her family I would point out, a home?

 

[Katzndogz]

Isn't this girl just an insult to the poverty pimps? Here she is, homeless, no money, yet, she is still an achiever. No one had to redistribute anything to her. She never got paid for doing nothing. Never demanded better grades than she deserved.

Someday she will be a wealthy woman and the poverty pimps will STILL tell her that she got everything handed to her because her daddy was rich.

 

[rdean]

Isn't this girl just an insult to the poverty pimps? Here she is, homeless, no money, yet, she is still an achiever. No one had to redistribute anything to her. She never got paid for doing nothing. Never demanded better grades than she deserved.

Someday she will be a wealthy woman and the poverty pimps will STILL tell her that she got everything handed to her because her daddy was rich.

Well, it does look as if she is being helped out.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTwpBLzxe4U]Craig T. Nelson on Government Aid - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Katzndogz]

Why do we have a social responsibility to provide this girl, and her family I would point out, a home?

There isn't any! Evidently some people thought that she was intelligent and deserved some kind of assistance so they provided it. Which is the way it should be. That isn't responsibility, it's out and out charity.

 

[Sunshine]

Isn't this girl just an insult to the poverty pimps? Here she is, homeless, no money, yet, she is still an achiever. No one had to redistribute anything to her. She never got paid for doing nothing. Never demanded better grades than she deserved.

Someday she will be a wealthy woman and the poverty pimps will STILL tell her that she got everything handed to her because her daddy was rich.

Have you ever looked into the academic criteria for scholarships. Most only have to maintain a C average. That is what it generally takes to pass in college. So, just barelty passing and you get your way paid. By the taxpayers.

To be making satisfactory academic progress for federal financial aid, you must:

1. Achieve at least the GPA required to meet the college's minimum retention standard or be granted academic probation; after two years of enrollment, earn at least a "C" average, or its equivalent, or have academic standing consistent with the requirements for graduation.

Federal Satisfactory Progress

I don't think taxpayers should have to foot the bill for C students. But we SHOULD be helping the academically gifted. It will be those people who help solve the problems of the world. Not the C student.

 

[Katzndogz]

Piffle on the academically gifted. Just help the academically motivated. Which implies cutting the slag loose.

 

[California Girl]

Why do we have a social responsibility to provide this girl, and her family I would point out, a home?

There isn't any! Evidently some people thought that she was intelligent and deserved some kind of assistance so they provided it. Which is the way it should be. That isn't responsibility, it's out and out charity.

I view it my duty as a currently free American to be socially responsible. Socialism removes that choice. You are welcome to opt not to be socially responsible. That's the American way.

 

[California Girl]

Yes, please spell it out. I'm all ears.

Social Responsibility is an ethics based ideology that an individual is obliged to act in a wat that benefits society.

Socialism is based on common ownership for the good of the whole.

I believe strongly in social responsibility and act accordingly - by choice.

Socialism removes my choice and forces me to do what other people decide is in the common interest.

Please clarify one point.

The "good of the whole"? Is a "way that benefits society" different? Because you are only talking about "part of society" and not the "whole society"? So which part of society is "worthy" and which part "isn't"?

Social responsibility allows for me to make a choice as to what I believe is worthy of my support. Socialism removes my choice, takes what is mine and gives part of what it takes to someone else. The rest of what it takes is used to fund the 'service' of taking from me and giving to someone else. Social responsibility not only allows me the freedom to choose, it also cuts out the middle man who provides an unnecessary buffer between me and my social responsibility.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Isn't this girl just an insult to the poverty pimps? Here she is, homeless, no money, yet, she is still an achiever. No one had to redistribute anything to her. She never got paid for doing nothing. Never demanded better grades than she deserved.

Someday she will be a wealthy woman and the poverty pimps will STILL tell her that she got everything handed to her because her daddy was rich.

Have you ever looked into the academic criteria for scholarships. Most only have to maintain a C average. That is what it generally takes to pass in college. So, just barelty passing and you get your way paid. By the taxpayers.

To be making satisfactory academic progress for federal financial aid, you must:

1. Achieve at least the GPA required to meet the college's minimum retention standard or be granted academic probation; after two years of enrollment, earn at least a "C" average, or its equivalent, or have academic standing consistent with the requirements for graduation.

Federal Satisfactory Progress

I don't think taxpayers should have to foot the bill for C students. But we SHOULD be helping the academically gifted. It will be those people who help solve the problems of the world. Not the C student.

If a C student isn't going to solve the problems, then why did we elect Jr. twice, and let Perry into the 2012 race?

Or............for that matter..........why is Perry (a C student) leading Texas?

You said C student's can't solve problems very well.

 

[Katzndogz]

Before we had government grants for artists, the system was one of patronage. Someone with money had to find the artist good enough to support. If not someone than a group. If not someone or a group at least a gallery owner. There were two things required of the artist. He or she had to be good, and someone had to be impressed enough with the talent to pony up money.

This system was blatanly unfair to the untalented. To equalize the ability of the talented and untalented to make money, the government began giving direct grants to the most untalented.

That's social justice.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the workers or the state.

Helping a family in need is compassion. Which is a function of religion. Which Rdean despises.

Compassion and socialism are not synonymous. The experience of the 20th century would suggest that they are antonyms.

Are all Rdean's rhetorical questions dishonest and stupid. Experience proves that they are 94% of the time.

 

[California Girl]

Socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the workers or the state.

Helping a family in need is compassion. Which is a function of religion. Which Rdean despises.

Compassion and socialism are not synonymous. The experience of the 20th century would suggest that they are antonyms.

Are all Rdean's rhetorical questions dishonest and stupid. Experience proves that they are 94% of the time.

Even more interesting, when one provides logical responses to his rhetorical questions, he ignores them - possibly because the responses provide him with rational information that he finds quite difficult to cope with? Hmmm.

 

[Old Rocks]

Yes, there is. But rdean won't know what it is.

Yes, please spell it out. I'm all ears.

Social Responsibility is an ethics based ideology that an individual is obliged to act in a wat that benefits society.

Socialism is based on common ownership for the good of the whole.

I believe strongly in social responsibility and act accordingly - by choice.

Socialism removes my choice and forces me to do what other people decide is in the common interest.

National Parks are socialism. Do you think that they should be sold to the highest bidders?

Police forces are socialism. We pay for them out of common taxes and expect the officers to treat all citizens the same.

National Forests are Socialism. Again, should we sell them to the highest bidder, along with the land that the BLM manages?

Military is socialism, and even organized in a socialistic manner. Perhaps we should hire mercenaries? How has that worked out for nations that have tried it?

Socialism is just another social tool, as is capitalism. Capitalism works well for many things, socialism works well for others. An example of socialism not doing well is in farming, whereas the socialistic health care systems of other industrialized nations get far better results for much less money than does our Capitalistic system.