Holmes vs. crowded theatre coincidence?

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Random Coincidence or Divine Message?

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    Here is a question I posted on another forum, and wonder if
    “Lincoln-Kennedy Conspiracy theorists” are going to jump on this one also:

    do you believe it is just "coincidence" that
    * Oliver Wendell HOLMES Jr. is famous for saying not to SHOUT FIRE in a crowded theatre (with regard to limits on First Amendment rights)
    * While James HOLMES has just become famous for OPENING FIRE in a crowded theatre (reopening debates on Second Amendment rights)

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    RE: Former graduate student James Holmes, 24, is accused of opening fire in a theater in a Denver suburb. The shooting also injured 58 people.
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    Do you believe in divine order and that no coincidences just randomly occur,
    or do you believe it is just "coincidence" that
    * Oliver Wendell HOLMES Jr. is famous for saying not to SHOUT FIRE in a crowded theatre (with regard to limits on First Amendment rights)
    * While James HOLMES has just become famous for OPENING FIRE in a crowded theatre (reopening debates on Second Amendment rights)

    Random coincidence, or do you believe God is trying to point out something?
    That in both cases you can't just have unbridled freedom without check,
    but that the laws such as 1st and 2nd Amendment still need to be
    exercised or interpreted WITHIN the spirit of Constitutional laws or contract?

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    "Shouting fire in a crowded theatre" is a popular metaphor and frequent paraphrasing of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.'s opinion in the United States Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States in 1919. The paraphrasing does not generally include the fact that falsely shouting fire to highlight that speech which is merely dangerous and false which can be distinguished from that which is truthful but also dangerous. The quote is used as an example of speech which is claimed to serve no conceivable useful purpose and is extremely and imminently dangerous, as they held distributing fliers in opposition to a military draft to be, so that resort to the courts or administrative procedures is not practical and expresses the permissible limitations on free speech consistent with the terms of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.
     
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    Actual, what we should have coming out of the closet today are
    Bush-Obama Conspiracy theorists:

    1. Bush was accused of misleading Congress to declare war outside of Constitutional authority
    2. Obama was accused of abusing Congress to imposed health care mandates outside of Constitutional authority

    3. Anti-Bush protestors accused of being anti-American, instead of having valid objections against the war in Iraq after 9/11 caused by Saudi terrorists
    4. Anti-Obama opponents accused of being racist, instead of having valid objections against health care bill protested by single payer, pro choice, prolife

    5. Bush accused of favoring big corporate interests in the guise of free enterprise and democracy
    6. Obama accused of favoring big corporate interests in the guise of green energy and health care reforms

    Oh wait, that’s not a conspiracy theory.
    That’s the Green Party platform, sorry my mistake!

     
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    James Holmes To Face Death Penalty...
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    James Holmes' Victims Applaud Death Penalty Plan: 'I Want Him Dead'
    April 1, 2013 - Friends of Aurora shooting victims applauded prosecutors' decision today to seek the death penalty for James Holmes, with one friend saying he wanted to be in the room if Holmes is executed.
     
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    What's sad to me was I thought a benefit of keeping the death penalty was using it as leverage to compel convicts to plea guilty, settle and cooperate with authorities, and/or even agree to restitution for life to the victims or survivors in order to get life in prison. Too bad.
    I thought they could get more out of this guy, than spending millions just to execute him.
     
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    :rolleyes:

    You're slipping, Emily...
     
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    did he plan every detail-yes

    did he pick the closest theater -no

    did he pick the most crowded one-no

    did he pick the one that had

    a gun free zone sign-yes

    of the seven theaters showing that movie

    that night

    only one was a gun free zone
     

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