Heavy Precipitation Over the US: Has it Increased as Some have Predicted it Should?

[flacaltenn]

So -- DundrHead --- you got the diff between statistically significant trends and whether that trend is significant? I highly doubt it.. "There has been no SIGNIFICANT warming in the past decade" -- A completely accurate statement. Even IF -- the 0.04degC trend line is statistically significant -- it is NOT a significant warming..

More Academic Mathematical Bullying from AGW fanatics --- 3rd example this month eh???

 

[RollingThunder]

So -- DundrHead --- you got the diff between statistically significant trends and whether that trend is significant? I highly doubt it.. "There has been no SIGNIFICANT warming in the past decade" -- A completely accurate statement. Even IF -- the 0.04degC trend line is statistically significant -- it is NOT a significant warming..

More Academic Mathematical Bullying from AGW fanatics --- 3rd example this month eh???

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.....yeah riiiiiight, fecalhead, 'insignificant warming' is melting the ice caps and glaciers, changing climate patterns, raising sea levels, and making all ten of the warmest years on record happen in the last 12 years. In spite of your moronic denier cult delusions, there has been very significant warming over the last decade. But you're in denial and lost in denier cult fantasyland.

 

[flacaltenn]

So -- DundrHead --- you got the diff between statistically significant trends and whether that trend is significant? I highly doubt it.. "There has been no SIGNIFICANT warming in the past decade" -- A completely accurate statement. Even IF -- the 0.04degC trend line is statistically significant -- it is NOT a significant warming..

More Academic Mathematical Bullying from AGW fanatics --- 3rd example this month eh???

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.....yeah riiiiiight, fecalhead, 'insignificant warming' is melting the ice caps and glaciers, changing climate patterns, raising sea levels, and making all ten of the warmest years on record happen in the last 12 years. In spite of your moronic denier cult delusions, there has been very significant warming over the last decade. But you're in denial and lost in denier cult fantasyland.

You making stuff up? We talking about THIS temperature record??

You call 0.04 or 0.05degC/decade is "VERY SIGNIFICANT" ????

How low will you go? ????? Would 0.01degC/decade also be "VERY SIGNIFICANT"???



ONE of us is a moronic cult denier and the other one can read a graph...

 

[tjvh]

The aztecs sacrificed virgins believing if they did the rains would come. That's the mentality of the warmists today. Something they can do will bring rain, or stop rain, or make sunspots go away. The level of ignorance is astounding.

Oh they're still into human sacrifice alright. They have no problem making Ethanol out of Food which raises prices and starves poor people to death in Third world Nations so they can pretend that Ethanol prevented someone from drilling for Oil... Hooray.

 

[daveman]

Daveman -

Again, I am not a "leftist", and I think you are on fairly thin ice to say I see what I want to see when you are the one claiming there is a massive international conspiracy to create global socialist government.

Where is the evidence of this conspiracy?

Surely it must involve thousands upon thousands of people, not one of whom has ever breathed a word.

You must realiss yourself this makes no more sense that faking the Holocaust or the CIA bringing down the Twin Towers.

One guy talking about aid payments to Africa and doesn't add up much.

He needs no evidence. He has Rush Limbaugh.

Uh huh. Chrissie Mathews told you to say that, didn't he?

Good Gaea, you're a sheep.

 

[daveman]

Just more of your usual clueless retarded nonsense, Katzhitbrainz. All of your idiotic posts just emphasize the fact that you have no idea what is happening.

Really? We never had weather before?

I'll be darned.

Maybe you'll be darned but you will for sure be severely retarded until you die.

I'm not the one claiming we never had weather before, Genius.

 

[RollingThunder]

Really? We never had weather before?

I'll be darned.

Maybe you'll be "darned" but you will for sure be severely retarded until you die.

I'm not the one claiming we never had weather before, Genius.

Neither am I, retard. You're just too stupid to comprehend what people are saying to you.

 

[skookerasbil]

Maybe you'll be "darned" but you will for sure be severely retarded until you die.

I'm not the one claiming we never had weather before, Genius.

Neither am I, retard. You're just too stupid to comprehend what people are saying to you.

 

[Saigon]

Daveman -

Again, I am not a "leftist", and I think you are on fairly thin ice to say I see what I want to see when you are the one claiming there is a massive international conspiracy to create global socialist government.

Where is the evidence of this conspiracy?

Surely it must involve thousands upon thousands of people, not one of whom has ever breathed a word.

You must realiss yourself this makes no more sense that faking the Holocaust or the CIA bringing down the Twin Towers.

One guy talking about aid payments to Africa and doesn't add up much.

He needs no evidence. He has Rush Limbaugh.

Uh huh. Chrissie Mathews told you to say that, didn't he?

Good Gaea, you're a sheep.

Who the hell is Chrissie Matthews?

 

[Saigon]

You just proved what you said is crap, but you don't even realize it.

So, prior to 50 years ago, grapes would not grow in that area.

Then they did, for 50 years.

What was the climate prior to the period when the grapes would not grow? How did man cause the grapes not to grow, and what did man do to make grapes viable there?

Take your time. I can tell you haven't given this any thought. At all.

Jesus wept.

To answer your question, which apparently you have 'thought through' - grapes were only introduced to Australia by the Europeans in circa 1840. They have grown since then, but only in been farmed in this area for 50 years. Prior to that the area was largely forest. Now it's semi-desert.

Uh huh. I guess you didn't read flacaltenn's link from the wine industry showing you your claim is crap.

Ignoring it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Honestly, could the lelvel of debate on these thread possibly be any lower?

Flac's post referred to a SINGLE GRAPE HARVEST.

Do either of you honestly think that winemakers would plough under entire swathes of land based on a single bad harvest?

There really needs to be a minimum level of information, integrity and intelligence to make any kind of meaningful discussion possible, and I think it is fairly clear you are not reaching that level right now.

I don't mean to be offensive - but could you please try and stick to strong, coherent arguments?

 

[Saigon]

And the UN is a hotbed of Global Socialism. And Global Warming is their BEST excuse for Global Redistribution of Wealth and prosperity. These idiots have tied GW to Women's Issues and every other leftist cause.

This really is priceless!

I just love how the dozens and dozens of conservative govetnments around the world all support socialism. Countries like Germany, the UK, New Zealand, Finland, Spain all have conservative, right wing governments, and with a little effort I could find a good 30 - 40 more.

It just makes so much sense that they would back global socialism.

Again - can we maybe try and stick to some minimal level of common sense here?

 

[flacaltenn]

Jesus wept.

To answer your question, which apparently you have 'thought through' - grapes were only introduced to Australia by the Europeans in circa 1840. They have grown since then, but only in been farmed in this area for 50 years. Prior to that the area was largely forest. Now it's semi-desert.

Uh huh. I guess you didn't read flacaltenn's link from the wine industry showing you your claim is crap.

Ignoring it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Honestly, could the lelvel of debate on these thread possibly be any lower?

Flac's post referred to a SINGLE GRAPE HARVEST.

Do either of you honestly think that winemakers would plough under entire swathes of land based on a single bad harvest?

There really needs to be a minimum level of information, integrity and intelligence to make any kind of meaningful discussion possible, and I think it is fairly clear you are not reaching that level right now.

I don't mean to be offensive - but you please try and stick to strong, coherent arguments?

Did you get the points about previous harvests being ruined by COLD weather?

Or possibly instead of complaining about MY LEVEL of documentation -- YOU could sweat a little and DOCUMENT the QUANTITY of grape land in Australia being plowed under BECAUSE OF "global warming"...

 

[Saigon]

Did you get the points about previous harvests being ruined by COLD weather?

.

Yes, I did.

And they did not refer either to the part of Australia I was referring to, nor to the problem of drought which I referred to.

You have to ask yourself whether the best response to rebutting a claim that Australian grapegrowers are being hit by droughts is to argue that cold also effects geape harvests in Australia.

 

[flacaltenn]

Did you get the points about previous harvests being ruined by COLD weather?

.

Yes, I did.

And they did not refer either to the part of Australia I was referring to, nor to the problem of drought which I referred to.

Well that's because you didn't DOCUMENT or QUANTIZE your assertion of a grape disaster in Australia. Don't blame me for not being able to read your mind...

 

[RollingThunder]

Has heavy precipitation increased due to global warming? (thread topic)

Increase of global monsoon area and precipitation under global warming: A robust signal?
GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 39, L06701, 6 PP., 2012 doi:10.1029/2012GL051037

Key Points

* The increase of global monsoon area, precipitation and intensity is robust
* Those changes are consistent with CMIP3 and CMIP5 model projections
* Moisture convergence and evaporation contribute to enhanced monsoon rainfall

Monsoons, the most energetic tropical climate system, exert a great social and economic impact upon billions of people around the world. The global monsoon precipitation had an increasing trend over the past three decades. Whether or not this increasing trend will continue in the 21st century is investigated, based on simulations of three high-resolution atmospheric general circulation models that were forced by different future sea surface temperature (SST) warming patterns. The results show that the global monsoon area, precipitation and intensity all increase consistently among the model projections. This indicates that the strengthened global monsoon is a robust signal across the models and SST patterns explored here. The increase of the global monsoon precipitation is attributed to the increases of moisture convergence and surface evaporation. The former is caused by the increase of atmospheric water vapor and the latter is due to the increase of SST. The effect of the moisture and evaporation increase is offset to a certain extent by the weakening of the monsoon circulation.

Received 20 January 2012; accepted 20 February 2012; published 16 March 2012.

 

[flacaltenn]

Did you get the points about previous harvests being ruined by COLD weather?

.

Yes, I did.

And they did not refer either to the part of Australia I was referring to, nor to the problem of drought which I referred to.

You have to ask yourself whether the best response to rebutting a claim that Australian grapegrowers are being hit by droughts is to argue that cold also effects geape harvests in Australia.

Makes perfect sense to me (and I adore logic and reason) when the underlying thesis for this event is "Global WARMING"....

 

[RollingThunder]

Did you get the points about previous harvests being ruined by COLD weather?

.

Yes, I did.

And they did not refer either to the part of Australia I was referring to, nor to the problem of drought which I referred to.

You have to ask yourself whether the best response to rebutting a claim that Australian grapegrowers are being hit by droughts is to argue that cold also effects geape harvests in Australia.

Makes perfect sense to me (and I adore logic and reason) when the underlying thesis for this event is "Global WARMING"....

A lot of really idiotic things "make perfect sense" to you, fecalhead, because you're so severely retarded. Global warming does not actually mean, as you seem to moronically assume, that every place on the planet is warming up at once or that cold weather events no longer happen at all.

 

[daveman]

Maybe you'll be "darned" but you will for sure be severely retarded until you die.

I'm not the one claiming we never had weather before, Genius.

Neither am I, retard. You're just too stupid to comprehend what people are saying to you.

Oh, so we're playing The Liberal Didn't Say What He Said.

Katz listed some weather phenomena, and said the same things have been occurring for millions of years. That's true, by the way.

You said he was retarded.

So either you really do believe we've never had weather before, or you simply can't refute his claim.

Which is it?

 

[daveman]

He needs no evidence. He has Rush Limbaugh.

Uh huh. Chrissie Mathews told you to say that, didn't he?

Good Gaea, you're a sheep.

Who the hell is Chrissie Matthews?

I wasn't talking to you.

 

[daveman]

Uh huh. I guess you didn't read flacaltenn's link from the wine industry showing you your claim is crap.

Ignoring it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Honestly, could the lelvel of debate on these thread possibly be any lower?

Flac's post referred to a SINGLE GRAPE HARVEST.

Do either of you honestly think that winemakers would plough under entire swathes of land based on a single bad harvest?

There really needs to be a minimum level of information, integrity and intelligence to make any kind of meaningful discussion possible, and I think it is fairly clear you are not reaching that level right now.

I don't mean to be offensive - but you please try and stick to strong, coherent arguments?

Did you get the points about previous harvests being ruined by COLD weather?

Or possibly instead of complaining about MY LEVEL of documentation -- YOU could sweat a little and DOCUMENT the QUANTITY of grape land in Australia being plowed under BECAUSE OF "global warming"...

I looked through 10 pages of Google results for the terms "grapevines Australia being plowed under" and found only two articles that mention Australian grapes being plowed under -- well, one article in two places. A wine blog and Time Magazine.

Some governments or business groups have attempted to push prices higher by taking vineyards out of production, but with only modest results. The European Union has done that because local wine consumption has declined, while the consumption of beer and soft drinks has increased. Champagne producers in France in 2009 dramatically reduced output in an attempt to boost prices. Australian winemakers have plowed under some vineyards, but that has had little impact on the world market.

Read more: Demand from China is driving up the prices of the most prestigious wines | Business | TIME.com​

They were trying to drive the cost of wine up. Not for any bullshit global warming nonsense.

Saigon, your claims simply aren't credible.