Harry Reid Calls Bundy Supporters 'Domestic Terrorists'

[NYcarbineer]

there really is no excuse

to allow this sort of behavior

from the government

That's how Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols saw it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I guess now if you think the price of a stamp is tyranny, it's justifiable to rob a post office.

 

[jon_berzerk]

there really is no excuse

to allow this sort of behavior

from the government

That's how Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols saw it.

most Americans feel that way

because a couple of folks chose the leftist way of dealing with it

does not mean all Americans will

 

[editec]

Harry Reid Calls Bundy Supporters 'Domestic Terrorists'

He's overstating the case.

They are merely dupes.

 

[Seawytch]

Idiot. That is BLM land, public land. You have to pay to use it, and follow the rules in it's use. Bundy had not payed for 20 years, and was overgrazing it by putting too many cattle on it, thus damaging the land.

You fruitloops set up a situation in which you hoped there would be bloodshed. You wanted to see fellow Americans killed. You wanted your Horst Wessel. You are following the path of the Brown Shirts. And you are earning the contempt of your fellow Americans.

Has the "liberal media" interviewed any of the ranchers that have been paying their fees? I wonder how they feel about the freeloading moooooooocher that is Bundy.

There aren't any left.

Reports stated that the BLM has run them all off. Bundy is the only one left.

Maybe you need to look at the facts before you comment.......

You didn't provide any facts. Do you have a link? Because I just read an article from a neighbor of Bundy who has been paying her fees.

 

[novasteve]

Didn't libs talk about civility?

 

[chikenwing]

Reid and the libs call anyone who don't agree with them terrorists.

Nothing new here. It's just what leftist scum say all the time.

Where the hell is Reid during the crisis.............Where was he at as the Fed owns over 81.1% of Nevada's land..............Perhaps he was at a Communist rally telling everyone how good Gov't is today.

Over cows, the feds bring in 200 feds...................Their power will not be opposed. You will be assimulated.

That's not true at all.

If you use violence..or the threat of violence to further a political agenda?

That's terrorism.

Thanks for the clarification,yes Reid is a domestic terrorist,for they and people like you are pushing this as a political thing,while the ranchers see it as a threat to their lively hoods and way of life.

Your 100% correct they are terrorists,except you labeled the wrong group,great job!!

 

[Sallow]

Reid and the libs call anyone who don't agree with them terrorists.

Nothing new here. It's just what leftist scum say all the time.

Where the hell is Reid during the crisis.............Where was he at as the Fed owns over 81.1% of Nevada's land..............Perhaps he was at a Communist rally telling everyone how good Gov't is today.

Over cows, the feds bring in 200 feds...................Their power will not be opposed. You will be assimulated.

That's not true at all.

If you use violence..or the threat of violence to further a political agenda?

That's terrorism.

No, it's called doing what our founding fathers expect us to have done. But sooner. We are failing miserably in getting our house in order

-Geaux

Which puts on display, you don't understand what terrorism is..

The American Revolution was rooted in Terrorism. The colonists started by making attacks on business interest, killing and injuring Tories and Loyalists and taking potshots at the British. The people who wrote the Constitution became the "legitimate" arm of that movement, but make no mistake..it was terrorism.

 

[Sallow]

Reid and the libs call anyone who don't agree with them terrorists.

Nothing new here. It's just what leftist scum say all the time.

Where the hell is Reid during the crisis.............Where was he at as the Fed owns over 81.1% of Nevada's land..............Perhaps he was at a Communist rally telling everyone how good Gov't is today.

Over cows, the feds bring in 200 feds...................Their power will not be opposed. You will be assimulated.

That's not true at all.

If you use violence..or the threat of violence to further a political agenda?

That's terrorism.

Thanks for the clarification,yes Reid is a domestic terrorist,for they and people like you are pushing this as a political thing,while the ranchers see it as a threat to their lively hoods and way of life.

Your 100% correct they are terrorists,except you labeled the wrong group,great job!!

Reid is part of the Legitimate Governing body.

And unless that body is functioning in a way that is outside the scope of the law?

It's not terrorism.

 

[Sallow]

And tomorrow is the anniversary of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, perpetrated by rightwingers who had become part of the movement that rejected the authority of the Federal government.

Bundy and his supporters are just smalltime versions of the same state of mind.

They are actually part of the same movement.

 

[velvtacheeze]

How do all the other ranchers go about their days without having armed stand-offs? Oh, they pay the taxpayer what they owe the taxpayer. It's pretty easy, it turns out. What's Bundy's problem? He's a freeloading parasite. He needs to be arrested and convicted, and his property auctioned off to more responsible citizens so we taxpayers can be reimbursed for what is rightfully ours.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

It seems like I'm saying this a lot lately, but this is yet another example of the word "terrorist" having no meaning. Merely a buzzword to be thrown around to get people worked up against somebody you don't like.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

How do all the other ranchers go about their days without having armed stand-offs? Oh, they pay the taxpayer what they owe the taxpayer. It's pretty easy, it turns out. What's Bundy's problem? He's a freeloading parasite. He needs to be arrested and convicted, and his property auctioned off to more responsible citizens so we taxpayers can be reimbursed for what is rightfully ours.

Those fees go to the taxpayer? I've yet to receive a check in the mail.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Great job, USMB nutters! You get to go from expressing admiration for Putin to rooting for bad economic news to defending a white supremacist who shot up some people in Kansas to standing in support of a deadbeat who denies the authority of the federal government.

You all should be so proud of yourselves. Hoping for shots to be fired in Nevada. You major fucking assholes.

Don't forget they also agreed with anti-American Mike Huckabee that Korea has more freedom than the USA.

And, loved that the Bundy jerks put the women out in front to get them killed. Next, they'll put babies and children out in front and the nutters will love that too.

Of course, they Bundy thugs domestic terrorists.

 

[Sallow]

It seems like I'm saying this a lot lately, but this is yet another example of the word "terrorist" having no meaning. Merely a buzzword to be thrown around to get people worked up against somebody you don't like.

No.

It has meaning.

And it's proper use needs to be clearly defined.

Was 9/11 terrorism? Yep.

Was the bombing of the King David hotel terrorism? Yep.

Are federal agents exercising the edict of the Federal Government after several court battles terrorism? No.

Are "militia" folks showing up with military assault weapons and threatening those agents terrorism? Yes.

 

[mudwhistle]

Has the "liberal media" interviewed any of the ranchers that have been paying their fees? I wonder how they feel about the freeloading moooooooocher that is Bundy.

There aren't any left.

Reports stated that the BLM has run them all off. Bundy is the only one left.

Maybe you need to look at the facts before you comment.......

You didn't provide any facts. Do you have a link? Because I just read an article from a neighbor of Bundy who has been paying her fees.

Maybe you need to read your own link.......

There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years. The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not. What you people probably do not realize is that on every rancher’s grazing permit it says the following: “You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due.” The “mandatory” terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc. The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to. Every rancher must sign this “contract” agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment. In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher’s permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years. As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%. In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3. Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM. Clive Bundy was one of these people who received extremely unfair and unreasonable TERMS AND CONDITIONS. Keep in mind that Mr. Bundy was required to sign this contract before he was allowed to pay. Had Clive signed on the dotted line, he would have, in essence, signed his very livelihood away. And so Mr. Bundy took a stand, not only for himself, but for all of us. He refused to be destroyed by a tyrannical federal entity and to have his American liberties and freedoms taken away. Also keep in mind that all ranchers financially paid dearly for the forage rights those permits allow – - not rights to the land, but rights to use the forage that grows on that land. Many of these AUMS are water based, meaning that the rancher also has a vested right (state owned, not federal) to the waters that adjoin the lands and allow the livestock to drink. These water rights were also purchased at a great price. If a rancher cannot show beneficial use of the water (he must have the appropriate number of livestock that drinks and uses that water), then he loses that water right. Usually water rights and forage rights go hand in hand. Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away. Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are “suspended,” but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of “suspended” AUMs that will probably never be returned. And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen. This is the very thing that Clive Bundy single-handedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero.​

 

[Sallow]

How do all the other ranchers go about their days without having armed stand-offs? Oh, they pay the taxpayer what they owe the taxpayer. It's pretty easy, it turns out. What's Bundy's problem? He's a freeloading parasite. He needs to be arrested and convicted, and his property auctioned off to more responsible citizens so we taxpayers can be reimbursed for what is rightfully ours.

Those fees go to the taxpayer? I've yet to receive a check in the mail.

The cops stop patrolling your streets?

Lights go out?

Water stop running?

Roads and bridges, disintegrate?

Can't get a drivers license because the DMV closed down?

Garbage piling up?

 

[Katzndogz]

Under this administration all of WE THE PEOPLE are considered terrorist, enemies..

you voted them in folks, now we get to live under this horrible regime who hates your guts

This horrible regime has long hated Americans and considered them enemies. Since the day he took office the horrible evil Obama entity has considered Americans terrorists. If we don't love him, it's unpatriotic.

 

[Katzndogz]

How do all the other ranchers go about their days without having armed stand-offs? Oh, they pay the taxpayer what they owe the taxpayer. It's pretty easy, it turns out. What's Bundy's problem? He's a freeloading parasite. He needs to be arrested and convicted, and his property auctioned off to more responsible citizens so we taxpayers can be reimbursed for what is rightfully ours.

Those fees go to the taxpayer? I've yet to receive a check in the mail.

The cops stop patrolling your streets?

Lights go out?

Water stop running?

Roads and bridges, disintegrate?

Can't get a drivers license because the DMV closed down?

Garbage piling up?

Which of those services are free and paid for by the BLM?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

It seems like I'm saying this a lot lately, but this is yet another example of the word "terrorist" having no meaning. Merely a buzzword to be thrown around to get people worked up against somebody you don't like.

No.

It has meaning.

And it's proper use needs to be clearly defined.

Was 9/11 terrorism? Yep.

Was the bombing of the King David hotel terrorism? Yep.

Are federal agents exercising the edict of the Federal Government after several court battles terrorism? No.

Are "militia" folks showing up with military assault weapons and threatening those agents terrorism? Yes.

I believe the term you're looking for there is "shock and awe." The feds showed up with the helicopters and snipers threatening the lives and property of the people on Bundy ranch. Regardless, you've given no objective definition of terrorism. It's easy to say that the militias pointing their guns at the feds is terrorism, but it's just as easy to say that the shock and awe of the feds is terrorism. In other words, this term has no real meaning, but it certainly has real implications when it comes to the law.

The American Civil Liberties Union explained in 2002 that the USA PATRIOT Act’s “overbroad definition of domestic terrorism” can subject some people exercising civil disobedience to new government powers including civil asset seizures without even a court hearing, US law enforcement access to tax records at the Internal Revenue Service, and more easily obtained search warrants.

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