Goodell Ignoring His Own NFL Rules

[Pogo]

Another loser tries desperately to change the subject.

Aren't you the dipshit that brought up "Pentagon Pimp money"?

For the money that the NFL has received it should do everything in its power to deliver the entertainment and leave the politics to a different forum.

I agree. And that Pentagon Pimp Payment profanity is what put players on the field for the NA in the first place ---- not the corporate welfare. Had they not started that shit, there would be nothing for players to sit out, and you'd have no reason to call attention TO that corprate welfare.

Great. So I take it you have no problem calling for an end to tax payer subsidies for the NFL? Without those subsidies I have no problem with the NFL choosing its own code of conduct.

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You take it correctly. But it's still completely off the topic.

But just to entertain the last line, choosing one's own code of conduct has nothing to do with what tax subsidies you get. Unless of course that conduct is specific as paid prostitution.

Far as I know neither NFL nor any other pro sport is paid by tax subsidies to run any other political charades like the Pentagon does.

Receiving government funds usually comes with conditions, including "Prohibitions Against Recipient Employee Political Activity" as is the case for Federal grants, where tax payer money is provided to other entities (ie: "As part its stewardship, FTA imposes certain ethics obligations on its own employees and contractors, and the recipients of FTA financial assistance and the recipients’ contractors..- Ethics in Federally Funded Public Transportation ).

Given the huge amount of subsidies received by the NFL I believe that they should either refuse future subsidies or focus their activities on their stated mission - sports entertainment.

Works for me.

They should have taken that stance when the Pentagon came sniffing around with pimp dollars too.

 

[Hossfly]

Political displays are prohibited.
Fist in the air, sitting on the bench looking around in disgust, flipping off the flag... Those are political displays.

And your link cannot be verified as any more genuine than mine. Unless you know for sure the source is good.


Now this is what I found.....

"However, some sources have confusingly stated that the NFL has a separate game operations manual, and it is that document, not the rulebook, which supposedly includes the wording in question regarding player conduct during the national anthem:

It’s important to know that NFL football games are governed by multiple codes of conduct. One is the NFL rulebook; another is the NFL game operations manual. The rulebook is concerned with in-game actions by players and coaches (like scoring, penalties, challenges and so on), whereas the game-operations manual dictates how NFL games should be run in the bigger-picture organizational sense.

“The league’s Game Operations Department uses the manual to govern the conduct of home clubs, to ensure they protect players and provide the conditions for a fair and fan-friendly contest,” reads the NFL’s website. “Clubs face warnings and other penalties for noncompliance.”

The NFL rulebook makes no mention of the national anthem. But the game operations manual does."

FACT CHECK: Are NFL Players Required to Stand on the Field During the National Anthem?


Are you a lawyer....... Because if you are you suck at it!!! ​

Once again Sparkly -- here is what you posted, STILL THERE in the OP AND the nested quote:

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks. ​

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NO, IT DOES NOT. And I proved it. Complete with a link TO that rule book itself.
You then proceeded to dig yourself deeper with this same bullshit social media meme I pointed out

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

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NO THEY ARE NOT.

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The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.​

As noted before BULLSHIT.

There is no such clause.

Now you're groping for some entirely different mythical document. A document of which, I might add, YOUR OWN LINK says there's no documentation that it exists at all:

>> We have not yet been able to independently confirm the existence and wording of this second document (the NFL has not responded to our query), but the proffered wording states that players must “be” on the sideline for the national anthem, not that they must “stand” on the sideline (the latter is listed as something players “should” do). <<​

--- and even if it were real doesn't say it's a rule.

YOUR OWN LINK.

You lost this, chump. Let that be a lesson to vet your shit before blindly parrotting from freaking "Drudge" or whatever this cockamamie site is.

Again --- my search took 0.95 seconds. That's all you had to do.

Yet Snopes found the quote that was word for word exactly what I posted from the article.
So if there is any mistake....it was not mine. However, I doubt it. It does exist in the official game operations manual.

I know you are desperately trying to save face but as always your greatest problem is never facing up to the fact that you are wrong and that you're trying to make me out to be the asshole here. Well, you are the one looking like the asshole.

Snopes --- again YOUR OWN LINK, a source I also linked --- says there's no proof any such document exists.

Do you not understand what that means?

Moreover the undocumented quote from this unfindable "operations" book does not say what you claimed a completely different book said anyway, so even if it were real it STILL wouldn't make your point. A rule book which I already linked and which makes no mention of any national anthem at all, because what you started this thread with was, once again, ENTIRELY MADE-UP CRAPOLA.

Again --- took less than one second to find this out. Literally.

Again....you cherry pick the details.
They said they didn't get a response from the NFL. This doesn't mean the manual doesn't exist......how else would they be able to look it up if it didn't?

At any rate....the rule exists and the NFL is not going to punish any team for breaking that rule.

No discipline for anthem-skipping teams as NFL fires back at Donald Trump

Again --- you got BUSTED here and that isn't gonna change. You came in claiming the NFL commissioner should be fined for "ignoring his own rules" and cited paragraphs that DO. NOT. EXIST.

You got your ass schooled on that, complete with a link to the document itself, and there's nothing you can do about that except acknowledge that you fucked up by running with "Drudge" and not bothering to vet your own claim. Not only is it bullshit, it's proven to be bullshit.

And yet, here you are, unable to acknowledge that, droning on and on and on expecting different results. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Pogo you're getting discombobulated. Take a deep breath, calm down and go soak your head. The whole argument needs your undivided attention for the playoffs. Not football playoffs but argument playoffs. You need a clear head or mudwhistle will take it off.

 

[Pogo]

Once again Sparkly -- here is what you posted, STILL THERE in the OP AND the nested quote:

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NO, IT DOES NOT. And I proved it. Complete with a link TO that rule book itself.
You then proceeded to dig yourself deeper with this same bullshit social media meme I pointed out

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NO THEY ARE NOT.

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As noted before BULLSHIT.

There is no such clause.

Now you're groping for some entirely different mythical document. A document of which, I might add, YOUR OWN LINK says there's no documentation that it exists at all:

>> We have not yet been able to independently confirm the existence and wording of this second document (the NFL has not responded to our query), but the proffered wording states that players must “be” on the sideline for the national anthem, not that they must “stand” on the sideline (the latter is listed as something players “should” do). <<​

--- and even if it were real doesn't say it's a rule.

YOUR OWN LINK.

You lost this, chump. Let that be a lesson to vet your shit before blindly parrotting from freaking "Drudge" or whatever this cockamamie site is.

Again --- my search took 0.95 seconds. That's all you had to do.

Yet Snopes found the quote that was word for word exactly what I posted from the article.
So if there is any mistake....it was not mine. However, I doubt it. It does exist in the official game operations manual.

I know you are desperately trying to save face but as always your greatest problem is never facing up to the fact that you are wrong and that you're trying to make me out to be the asshole here. Well, you are the one looking like the asshole.

Snopes --- again YOUR OWN LINK, a source I also linked --- says there's no proof any such document exists.

Do you not understand what that means?

Moreover the undocumented quote from this unfindable "operations" book does not say what you claimed a completely different book said anyway, so even if it were real it STILL wouldn't make your point. A rule book which I already linked and which makes no mention of any national anthem at all, because what you started this thread with was, once again, ENTIRELY MADE-UP CRAPOLA.

Again --- took less than one second to find this out. Literally.

Again....you cherry pick the details.
They said they didn't get a response from the NFL. This doesn't mean the manual doesn't exist......how else would they be able to look it up if it didn't?

At any rate....the rule exists and the NFL is not going to punish any team for breaking that rule.

No discipline for anthem-skipping teams as NFL fires back at Donald Trump

Again --- you got BUSTED here and that isn't gonna change. You came in claiming the NFL commissioner should be fined for "ignoring his own rules" and cited paragraphs that DO. NOT. EXIST.

You got your ass schooled on that, complete with a link to the document itself, and there's nothing you can do about that except acknowledge that you fucked up by running with "Drudge" and not bothering to vet your own claim. Not only is it bullshit, it's proven to be bullshit.

And yet, here you are, unable to acknowledge that, droning on and on and on expecting different results. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Pogo you're getting discombobulated. Take a deep breath, calm down and go soak your head. The whole argument needs your undivided attention for the playoffs. Not football playoffs but argument playoffs. You need a clear head or mudwhistle will take it off.

Not to worry. There will be no such playoffs as I took Mud's ball.

 

[mudwhistle]

Yet Snopes found the quote that was word for word exactly what I posted from the article.
So if there is any mistake....it was not mine. However, I doubt it. It does exist in the official game operations manual.

I know you are desperately trying to save face but as always your greatest problem is never facing up to the fact that you are wrong and that you're trying to make me out to be the asshole here. Well, you are the one looking like the asshole.

Snopes --- again YOUR OWN LINK, a source I also linked --- says there's no proof any such document exists.

Do you not understand what that means?

Moreover the undocumented quote from this unfindable "operations" book does not say what you claimed a completely different book said anyway, so even if it were real it STILL wouldn't make your point. A rule book which I already linked and which makes no mention of any national anthem at all, because what you started this thread with was, once again, ENTIRELY MADE-UP CRAPOLA.

Again --- took less than one second to find this out. Literally.

Again....you cherry pick the details.
They said they didn't get a response from the NFL. This doesn't mean the manual doesn't exist......how else would they be able to look it up if it didn't?

At any rate....the rule exists and the NFL is not going to punish any team for breaking that rule.

No discipline for anthem-skipping teams as NFL fires back at Donald Trump

Again --- you got BUSTED here and that isn't gonna change. You came in claiming the NFL commissioner should be fined for "ignoring his own rules" and cited paragraphs that DO. NOT. EXIST.

You got your ass schooled on that, complete with a link to the document itself, and there's nothing you can do about that except acknowledge that you fucked up by running with "Drudge" and not bothering to vet your own claim. Not only is it bullshit, it's proven to be bullshit.

And yet, here you are, unable to acknowledge that, droning on and on and on expecting different results. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Pogo you're getting discombobulated. Take a deep breath, calm down and go soak your head. The whole argument needs your undivided attention for the playoffs. Not football playoffs but argument playoffs. You need a clear head or mudwhistle will take it off.

Not to worry. There will be no such playoffs as I took Mud's ball.

Nope.....still have mine.

You parse words but the only thing you proved is you're somebody that can't admit when he's wrong.

 

[hjmick]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

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Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

You're correct, it is not in the NFL rule book. It is found in the Game Operations Manual on pages A62 & 63. The Game Operations Manual is not available to the public.

‘We’re not going to play politics’: Steelers’ Mike Tomlin says team won’t take the field for anthem

The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual, according to a league source. It states:

“The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”



From Grabien:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rules in Letting Players Protest Anthem

UPDATE: Snopes.com claims that this rule does not, in fact, exist. The article cites the rule quoted above and reports "No such wording appears in the 2017 version of the Official Playing Rules of the National Football League."

Yet the NFL's Game Operations Manual -- the 200-plus book the league refers to as its "bible" -- is different than its rulebook. It is not available to the public. The rule cited above comes from the league itself, via the Washington Post.

The Post reported Sunday that the NFL confirmed the rule's existence but emphasized their ability to enforce it selectively:

Under the league rule, the failure to be on the field for the anthem may result in discipline such as a fine, suspension or loss of a draft pick. But a league official said the key phrase is “may” result, adding he won’t speculate on whether the Steelers would be disciplined.

The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual, according to a league source.


UPDATE TWO: After Grabien contacted Snopes.com, bringing the above facts to their attention, the author amended his article, confirming the existence of the above-state rule, and changed their description of this story from "false" to "mixture."

UPDATE THREE: The NFL, responding to the Kansas City Star, confirmed the national anthem-related rules cited above. However, the NFL's vice president of communications, Brian McCarthy, "stressed that [the] passage about the national anthem is a guideline and not a requirement."

But this is odd since the rule warns that failure to comply "may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses." Why does the NFL attach penalties for failure to comply if this is all just a "guideline," as the league now argues?

It appears the NFL is simply changing the rules — by electing not to enforce them.

 

[mudwhistle]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

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Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

You're correct, it is not in the NFL rule book. It is found in the Game Operations Manual on pages A62 & 63. The Game Operations Manual is not available to the public.

‘We’re not going to play politics’: Steelers’ Mike Tomlin says team won’t take the field for anthem

The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual, according to a league source. It states:

“The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”



From Grabien:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rules in Letting Players Protest Anthem

UPDATE: Snopes.com claims that this rule does not, in fact, exist. The article cites the rule quoted above and reports "No such wording appears in the 2017 version of the Official Playing Rules of the National Football League."

Yet the NFL's Game Operations Manual -- the 200-plus book the league refers to as its "bible" -- is different than its rulebook. It is not available to the public. The rule cited above comes from the league itself, via the Washington Post.

The Post reported Sunday that the NFL confirmed the rule's existence but emphasized their ability to enforce it selectively:

Under the league rule, the failure to be on the field for the anthem may result in discipline such as a fine, suspension or loss of a draft pick. But a league official said the key phrase is “may” result, adding he won’t speculate on whether the Steelers would be disciplined.

The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual, according to a league source.


UPDATE TWO: After Grabien contacted Snopes.com, bringing the above facts to their attention, the author amended his article, confirming the existence of the above-state rule, and changed their description of this story from "false" to "mixture."

UPDATE THREE: The NFL, responding to the Kansas City Star, confirmed the national anthem-related rules cited above. However, the NFL's vice president of communications, Brian McCarthy, "stressed that [the] passage about the national anthem is a guideline and not a requirement."

But this is odd since the rule warns that failure to comply "may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses." Why does the NFL attach penalties for failure to comply if this is all just a "guideline," as the league now argues?

It appears the NFL is simply changing the rules — by electing not to enforce them.

Pogo never admits he's wrong.....no matter what.

Classic liberal.

 

[Pogo]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

You're correct, it is not in the NFL rule book. It is found in the Game Operations Manual on pages A62 & 63. The Game Operations Manual is not available to the public.

"It's in this book that uh..... this book that is uh, not available. Yeah that's the ticket. Hee hee".

Exactly. We already covered this appeal to undocumentable source.

Actually another poster brought this same link from "NFL Operations" which appears to be a promotional blurb for external dissemination, not an internal document. And it STILL says nothing about standing for a national anthem. It doesn't mention the NA at all except in its heading "the national anthem has been played and ....."

Your Kansas City Star link could not document it either so its existence remains hearsay.

Bottom line remains the OP got completely punked parroting some blog he wished to be true but didn't bother to vet. Which is exactly what I said in my first post here. And even after that's proven, with a link to the NFL rule book itself (at the beginning of the thread) --- he still can't bring himself to acknowledge it.

 

[mudwhistle]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

You're correct, it is not in the NFL rule book. It is found in the Game Operations Manual on pages A62 & 63. The Game Operations Manual is not available to the public.

"It's in this book that uh..... this book that is uh, not available. Yeah that's the ticket. Hee hee".

Exactly. We already covered this appeal to undocumentable source.

Actually another poster brought this same link from "NFL Operations" which appears to be a promotional blurb for external dissemination, not an internal document. And it STILL says nothing about standing for a national anthem. It doesn't mention the NA at all except in its heading "the national anthem has been played and ....."

Your Kansas City Star link could not document it either so its existence remains hearsay.

Bottom line remains the OP got completely punked parroting some blog he wished to be true but didn't bother to vet. Which is exactly what I said in my first post here. And even after that's proven, with a link to the NFL rule book itself (at the beginning of the thread) --- he still can't bring himself to acknowledge it.

Quit lying.

 

[Pogo]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

You're correct, it is not in the NFL rule book. It is found in the Game Operations Manual on pages A62 & 63. The Game Operations Manual is not available to the public.

"It's in this book that uh..... this book that is uh, not available. Yeah that's the ticket. Hee hee".

Exactly. We already covered this appeal to undocumentable source.

Actually another poster brought this same link from "NFL Operations" which appears to be a promotional blurb for external dissemination, not an internal document. And it STILL says nothing about standing for a national anthem. It doesn't mention the NA at all except in its heading "the national anthem has been played and ....."

Your Kansas City Star link could not document it either so its existence remains hearsay.

Bottom line remains the OP got completely punked parroting some blog he wished to be true but didn't bother to vet. Which is exactly what I said in my first post here. And even after that's proven, with a link to the NFL rule book itself (at the beginning of the thread) --- he still can't bring himself to acknowledge it.

Quit lying.

QED



Once AGAIN--- as noted in POST TWO.......... NFL Playing Rules (pdf)

Pages 62 and 63 (there IS NO "A62" or "A63" cover Rule 14, Section 4, "Fouls Committed During a Passing Play". There is absolutely NOTHING in it about the national anthem or what anyone has to do during it. There is no reference to a national anthem at all, anywhere in the document, PERIOD.

Prove me wrong. Self-delusional dickhead.

You got punked, plain and simple. That's because you're too dense to see an article from "Drudgenow.com" and not think it needs vetting. You opened your maw and swallowed whole, and this is where your fake news landed you. OWN that.

 

[mudwhistle]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

You're correct, it is not in the NFL rule book. It is found in the Game Operations Manual on pages A62 & 63. The Game Operations Manual is not available to the public.

"It's in this book that uh..... this book that is uh, not available. Yeah that's the ticket. Hee hee".

Exactly. We already covered this appeal to undocumentable source.

Actually another poster brought this same link from "NFL Operations" which appears to be a promotional blurb for external dissemination, not an internal document. And it STILL says nothing about standing for a national anthem. It doesn't mention the NA at all except in its heading "the national anthem has been played and ....."

Your Kansas City Star link could not document it either so its existence remains hearsay.

Bottom line remains the OP got completely punked parroting some blog he wished to be true but didn't bother to vet. Which is exactly what I said in my first post here. And even after that's proven, with a link to the NFL rule book itself (at the beginning of the thread) --- he still can't bring himself to acknowledge it.

Quit lying.

QED



Once AGAIN--- as noted in POST TWO.......... NFL Playing Rules (pdf)

Pages 62 and 63 (there IS NO "A62" or "A63" cover Rule 14, Section 4, "Fouls Committed During a Passing Play". There is absolutely NOTHING in it about the national anthem or what anyone has to do during it. There is no reference to a national anthem at all, anywhere in the document, PERIOD.

Prove me wrong. Self-delusional dickhead.

You got punked, plain and simple. That's because you're too dense to see an article from "Drudgenow.com" and not think it needs vetting. You opened your maw and swallowed whole, and this is where your fake news landed you. OWN that.

The only thing I needed to prove was you cannot under any circumstances admit you were wrong.

Too many other sources other than Drudge showed this story was genuine.

 

[mudwhistle]

You bought into Russian Collusion like a typical gullible liberal but you refuse to admit that this is genuine despite evidence it is.

 

[Decus]

Seems there are rules against personal messages.

From the 2017 OFFICIAL PLAYING RULES OF THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE

http://operations.nfl.com/media/2725/2017-playing-rules.pdf

"ARTICLE 8
PERSONAL MESSAGES

Throughout the period on gameday that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and non-controversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League."

.

 

[Pogo]

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

You're correct, it is not in the NFL rule book. It is found in the Game Operations Manual on pages A62 & 63. The Game Operations Manual is not available to the public.

"It's in this book that uh..... this book that is uh, not available. Yeah that's the ticket. Hee hee".

Exactly. We already covered this appeal to undocumentable source.

Actually another poster brought this same link from "NFL Operations" which appears to be a promotional blurb for external dissemination, not an internal document. And it STILL says nothing about standing for a national anthem. It doesn't mention the NA at all except in its heading "the national anthem has been played and ....."

Your Kansas City Star link could not document it either so its existence remains hearsay.

Bottom line remains the OP got completely punked parroting some blog he wished to be true but didn't bother to vet. Which is exactly what I said in my first post here. And even after that's proven, with a link to the NFL rule book itself (at the beginning of the thread) --- he still can't bring himself to acknowledge it.

Quit lying.

QED



Once AGAIN--- as noted in POST TWO.......... NFL Playing Rules (pdf)

Pages 62 and 63 (there IS NO "A62" or "A63" cover Rule 14, Section 4, "Fouls Committed During a Passing Play". There is absolutely NOTHING in it about the national anthem or what anyone has to do during it. There is no reference to a national anthem at all, anywhere in the document, PERIOD.

Prove me wrong. Self-delusional dickhead.

You got punked, plain and simple. That's because you're too dense to see an article from "Drudgenow.com" and not think it needs vetting. You opened your maw and swallowed whole, and this is where your fake news landed you. OWN that.

The only thing I needed to prove was you cannot under any circumstances admit you were wrong.

Too many other sources other than Drudge showed this story was genuine.

I don't need to admit that ---- YOU do.

I just proved it again, linked the document, cited the pages, and dared you to prove any of it wrong.
YOU CAN'T DO IT.

That's because you live in a bubble of self-delusion. One where even when you're proven wrong, it doesn't matter. Because it doesn't sync with your pathetic self-delusion.

 

[Pogo]

Seems there are rules against personal messages.

From the 2017 OFFICIAL PLAYING RULES OF THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE

http://operations.nfl.com/media/2725/2017-playing-rules.pdf

"ARTICLE 8
PERSONAL MESSAGES

Throughout the period on gameday that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and non-controversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League."

Yeah I already cited that back in post 2. It's the closest thing anybody could find to any reference to behavior during a national anthem --- which is a term never mentioned in the entire document. I linked that document multiple times including that same post 2.

 

[Decus]

The NFL Rule Book is approximately 90 pages long. According to the NFL their Game Operations Manual is some 200 pages long and players must follow those rules also:

"The NFL Football Operations “bible” is the Game Operations Manual — nearly 200 pages of procedures and policy for regular season games alone."
.......
"The NFL’s Game Operations Manual covers virtually every facet of the game and game preparation — from where visiting teams work out the day before the game to the number of towels (600) and pounds of ice (500) that the home team must provide in the visiting team’s locker room."

League Governance | NFL Football Operations

The OFFICIAL PLAYING RULES OF THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE are not the same as the Game Operations Manual but include additional rules players must follow. According to Time magazine one of the Game Operations Manual rules states:

"Here's what the game operations manual says regarding the national anthem, according to an NFL spokesperson:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."

Does the NFL Require Players to Stand for the National Anthem?

.

 

[Pogo]

The NFL Rule Book is approximately 90 pages long. According to the NFL their Game Operations Manual is some 200 pages long and players must follow those rules also:

"The NFL Football Operations “bible” is the Game Operations Manual — nearly 200 pages of procedures and policy for regular season games alone."
.......
"The NFL’s Game Operations Manual covers virtually every facet of the game and game preparation — from where visiting teams work out the day before the game to the number of towels (600) and pounds of ice (500) that the home team must provide in the visiting team’s locker room."

League Governance | NFL Football Operations

The OFFICIAL PLAYING RULES OF THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE are not the same as the Game Operations Manual but include additional rules players must follow. According to Time magazine one of the Game Operations Manual rules states:

"Here's what the game operations manual says regarding the national anthem, according to an NFL spokesperson:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."

Does the NFL Require Players to Stand for the National Anthem?

Sorry, you can't just declare "document X says Y" and then not be able to document it.

That document has been linked here already too. And it simply does not contain that passage, and it's not the rule book which is what the OP cited, and even if the passage did exist it would not articulate a "rule" that the Commissioner "ignores" --- which is what the OP also asserted.

So it doesn't work from any angle.

Moreover --- and this has already been pointed out too ---- if such existed it would amount to an operation using TWO (2) rule books. Matter of fact the link from NFL Operations --- which is a public PR splash --- contains a link TO that same rule book already cited and linked. And the national anthem continues to not be in there.

And you'll notice that the fictitious passage is preceded by "according to an NFL spokesperson" --- who has no name. And every page I've seen with this same story cites this "according to NFL spokesperson" with no name.

According to a Klingon spokesperson I just talked to, Earth is now a colony. I didn't get his name though.

 

[Decus]

The NFL Rule Book is approximately 90 pages long. According to the NFL their Game Operations Manual is some 200 pages long and players must follow those rules also:

"The NFL Football Operations “bible” is the Game Operations Manual — nearly 200 pages of procedures and policy for regular season games alone."
.......
"The NFL’s Game Operations Manual covers virtually every facet of the game and game preparation — from where visiting teams work out the day before the game to the number of towels (600) and pounds of ice (500) that the home team must provide in the visiting team’s locker room."

League Governance | NFL Football Operations

The OFFICIAL PLAYING RULES OF THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE are not the same as the Game Operations Manual but include additional rules players must follow. According to Time magazine one of the Game Operations Manual rules states:

"Here's what the game operations manual says regarding the national anthem, according to an NFL spokesperson:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."

Does the NFL Require Players to Stand for the National Anthem?

Sorry, you can't just declare "document X says Y" and then not be able to document it.

That document has been linked here already too. And it simply does not contain that passage, and it's not the rule book which is what the OP cited, and even if the passage did exist it would not articulate a "rule" that the Commissioner "ignores" --- which is what the OP also asserted.

So it doesn't work from any angle.

Moreover --- and this has already been pointed out too ---- if such existed it would amount to an operation using TWO (2) rule books. Matter of fact the link from NFL Operations --- which is a public PR splash --- contains a link TO that same rule book already cited and linked. And the national anthem continues to not be in there.

And you'll notice that the fictitious passage is preceded by "according to an NFL spokesperson" --- who has no name. And every page I've seen with this same story cites this "according to NFL spokesperson" with no name.

According to a Klingon spokesperson I just talked to, Earth is now a colony. I didn't get his name though.

Show me the section in the Rules Book that pertains to subjects like: "the number of towels (600) and pounds of ice (500)" or the number and type of emergency personnel required for each game that the NFL says is covered in their Game Operations Manual. I read the NFL Rules Book and its not there.

Again the NFL clearly states that their Game Operations Manual is one of 3 (three) manuals and covers:

"The Game Operations Manual is one of the league’s three comprehensive policy manuals for member clubs — the other two are for administrative and business operations, and media and public relations — and, by necessity, it is often military-like in its precision and astonishing in its thoroughness."
......
"The league adds items to the manual to try to prepare for any event that could affect a game. To protect players, the manual dictates the number and type of medical personnel required for each game. To ensure competitive equity, it guarantees that teams have equal access to communication tools. And to ensure equity across the league, the manual specifies the exact pylons, sideline chain sets and locations of game and play clocks."

League Governance | NFL Football Operations

If you can't show me where towels, ice and types of emergency personnel are covered in the Rules book, please have the decency to admit that "policy manuals for member clubs" are not game rules.

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.

 

[Pogo]

The NFL Rule Book is approximately 90 pages long. According to the NFL their Game Operations Manual is some 200 pages long and players must follow those rules also:

"The NFL Football Operations “bible” is the Game Operations Manual — nearly 200 pages of procedures and policy for regular season games alone."
.......
"The NFL’s Game Operations Manual covers virtually every facet of the game and game preparation — from where visiting teams work out the day before the game to the number of towels (600) and pounds of ice (500) that the home team must provide in the visiting team’s locker room."

League Governance | NFL Football Operations

The OFFICIAL PLAYING RULES OF THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE are not the same as the Game Operations Manual but include additional rules players must follow. According to Time magazine one of the Game Operations Manual rules states:

"Here's what the game operations manual says regarding the national anthem, according to an NFL spokesperson:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."

Does the NFL Require Players to Stand for the National Anthem?

Sorry, you can't just declare "document X says Y" and then not be able to document it.

That document has been linked here already too. And it simply does not contain that passage, and it's not the rule book which is what the OP cited, and even if the passage did exist it would not articulate a "rule" that the Commissioner "ignores" --- which is what the OP also asserted.

So it doesn't work from any angle.

Moreover --- and this has already been pointed out too ---- if such existed it would amount to an operation using TWO (2) rule books. Matter of fact the link from NFL Operations --- which is a public PR splash --- contains a link TO that same rule book already cited and linked. And the national anthem continues to not be in there.

And you'll notice that the fictitious passage is preceded by "according to an NFL spokesperson" --- who has no name. And every page I've seen with this same story cites this "according to NFL spokesperson" with no name.

According to a Klingon spokesperson I just talked to, Earth is now a colony. I didn't get his name though.

Show me the section in the Rules Book that pertains to subjects like: "the number of towels (600) and pounds of ice (500)" or the number and type of emergency personnel required for each game that the NFL says is covered in their Game Operations Manual. I read the NFL Rules Book and its not there.

Again the NFL clearly states that their Game Operations Manual is one of 3 (three) manuals and covers:

"The Game Operations Manual is one of the league’s three comprehensive policy manuals for member clubs — the other two are for administrative and business operations, and media and public relations — and, by necessity, it is often military-like in its precision and astonishing in its thoroughness."
......
"The league adds items to the manual to try to prepare for any event that could affect a game. To protect players, the manual dictates the number and type of medical personnel required for each game. To ensure competitive equity, it guarantees that teams have equal access to communication tools. And to ensure equity across the league, the manual specifies the exact pylons, sideline chain sets and locations of game and play clocks."

League Governance | NFL Football Operations

If you can't show me where towels, ice and types of emergency personnel are covered in the Rules book, please have the decency to admit that "policy manuals for member clubs" are not game rules.

.
.

I NEVER CLAIMED that subjects like: "the number of towels (600) and pounds of ice (500)" or the number and type of emergency personnel required for each game is covered in their Game Operations Manual. YOUR LINK said that.

I don't know that this operations manual exists at all, and neither do you, or if it does exist what's actually in it. It's not a public document, and it's not what was linked in the page from "NFL Operations" -- which is clearly a public document and does not call itself an "operations manual".

You're arguing with your own link here.

"Show me where it says" is exactly what I've been saying since POST TWO. And no one can do it.

 

[Decus]

The NFL Rule Book is approximately 90 pages long. According to the NFL their Game Operations Manual is some 200 pages long and players must follow those rules also:

"The NFL Football Operations “bible” is the Game Operations Manual — nearly 200 pages of procedures and policy for regular season games alone."
.......
"The NFL’s Game Operations Manual covers virtually every facet of the game and game preparation — from where visiting teams work out the day before the game to the number of towels (600) and pounds of ice (500) that the home team must provide in the visiting team’s locker room."

League Governance | NFL Football Operations

The OFFICIAL PLAYING RULES OF THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE are not the same as the Game Operations Manual but include additional rules players must follow. According to Time magazine one of the Game Operations Manual rules states:

"Here's what the game operations manual says regarding the national anthem, according to an NFL spokesperson:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."

Does the NFL Require Players to Stand for the National Anthem?

Sorry, you can't just declare "document X says Y" and then not be able to document it.

That document has been linked here already too. And it simply does not contain that passage, and it's not the rule book which is what the OP cited, and even if the passage did exist it would not articulate a "rule" that the Commissioner "ignores" --- which is what the OP also asserted.

So it doesn't work from any angle.

Moreover --- and this has already been pointed out too ---- if such existed it would amount to an operation using TWO (2) rule books. Matter of fact the link from NFL Operations --- which is a public PR splash --- contains a link TO that same rule book already cited and linked. And the national anthem continues to not be in there.

And you'll notice that the fictitious passage is preceded by "according to an NFL spokesperson" --- who has no name. And every page I've seen with this same story cites this "according to NFL spokesperson" with no name.

According to a Klingon spokesperson I just talked to, Earth is now a colony. I didn't get his name though.

Show me the section in the Rules Book that pertains to subjects like: "the number of towels (600) and pounds of ice (500)" or the number and type of emergency personnel required for each game that the NFL says is covered in their Game Operations Manual. I read the NFL Rules Book and its not there.

Again the NFL clearly states that their Game Operations Manual is one of 3 (three) manuals and covers:

"The Game Operations Manual is one of the league’s three comprehensive policy manuals for member clubs — the other two are for administrative and business operations, and media and public relations — and, by necessity, it is often military-like in its precision and astonishing in its thoroughness."
......
"The league adds items to the manual to try to prepare for any event that could affect a game. To protect players, the manual dictates the number and type of medical personnel required for each game. To ensure competitive equity, it guarantees that teams have equal access to communication tools. And to ensure equity across the league, the manual specifies the exact pylons, sideline chain sets and locations of game and play clocks."

League Governance | NFL Football Operations

If you can't show me where towels, ice and types of emergency personnel are covered in the Rules book, please have the decency to admit that "policy manuals for member clubs" are not game rules.

.
.

I NEVER CLAIMED that subjects like: "the number of towels (600) and pounds of ice (500)" or the number and type of emergency personnel required for each game is covered in their Game Operations Manual. YOUR LINK said that.

I don't know that this operations manual exists at all, and neither do you, or if it does exist what's actually in it. It's not a public document, and it's not what was linked in the page from "NFL Operations" -- which is clearly a public document and does not call itself an "operations manual".

You're arguing with your own link here.

"Show me where it says" is exactly what I've been saying since POST TWO. And no one can do it.

Your argument hinges on your claim that a Game Operations Manual doesn't exist - the only document that exists is the NFL Rule Book.

The NFL states on its website that a Game Operations Manual exists and that it covers things like ice, towels and types of medical personnel.

Can you agree that a Game Operations Manual exists or is the NFL lying?

.

 

[Auld Phart]

The NFL Rule Book is approximately 90 pages long. According to the NFL their Game Operations Manual is some 200 pages long and players must follow those rules also:

"The NFL Football Operations “bible” is the Game Operations Manual — nearly 200 pages of procedures and policy for regular season games alone."
.......
"The NFL’s Game Operations Manual covers virtually every facet of the game and game preparation — from where visiting teams work out the day before the game to the number of towels (600) and pounds of ice (500) that the home team must provide in the visiting team’s locker room."

League Governance | NFL Football Operations

The OFFICIAL PLAYING RULES OF THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE are not the same as the Game Operations Manual but include additional rules players must follow. According to Time magazine one of the Game Operations Manual rules states:

"Here's what the game operations manual says regarding the national anthem, according to an NFL spokesperson:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."

Does the NFL Require Players to Stand for the National Anthem?

Sorry, you can't just declare "document X says Y" and then not be able to document it.

That document has been linked here already too. And it simply does not contain that passage, and it's not the rule book which is what the OP cited, and even if the passage did exist it would not articulate a "rule" that the Commissioner "ignores" --- which is what the OP also asserted.

So it doesn't work from any angle.

Moreover --- and this has already been pointed out too ---- if such existed it would amount to an operation using TWO (2) rule books. Matter of fact the link from NFL Operations --- which is a public PR splash --- contains a link TO that same rule book already cited and linked. And the national anthem continues to not be in there.

And you'll notice that the fictitious passage is preceded by "according to an NFL spokesperson" --- who has no name. And every page I've seen with this same story cites this "according to NFL spokesperson" with no name.

According to a Klingon spokesperson I just talked to, Earth is now a colony. I didn't get his name though.

Show me the section in the Rules Book that pertains to subjects like: "the number of towels (600) and pounds of ice (500)" or the number and type of emergency personnel required for each game that the NFL says is covered in their Game Operations Manual. I read the NFL Rules Book and its not there.

Again the NFL clearly states that their Game Operations Manual is one of 3 (three) manuals and covers:

"The Game Operations Manual is one of the league’s three comprehensive policy manuals for member clubs — the other two are for administrative and business operations, and media and public relations — and, by necessity, it is often military-like in its precision and astonishing in its thoroughness."
......
"The league adds items to the manual to try to prepare for any event that could affect a game. To protect players, the manual dictates the number and type of medical personnel required for each game. To ensure competitive equity, it guarantees that teams have equal access to communication tools. And to ensure equity across the league, the manual specifies the exact pylons, sideline chain sets and locations of game and play clocks."

League Governance | NFL Football Operations

If you can't show me where towels, ice and types of emergency personnel are covered in the Rules book, please have the decency to admit that "policy manuals for member clubs" are not game rules.

.
.

I NEVER CLAIMED that subjects like: "the number of towels (600) and pounds of ice (500)" or the number and type of emergency personnel required for each game is covered in their Game Operations Manual. YOUR LINK said that.

I don't know that this operations manual exists at all, and neither do you, or if it does exist what's actually in it. It's not a public document, and it's not what was linked in the page from "NFL Operations" -- which is clearly a public document and does not call itself an "operations manual".

You're arguing with your own link here.

"Show me where it says" is exactly what I've been saying since POST TWO. And no one can do it.

Your argument hinges on your claim that a Game Operations Manual doesn't exist - the only document that exists is the NFL Rule Book.

The NFL states on its website that a Game Operations Manual exists and that it covers things like ice, towels and types of medical personnel.

Can you agree that a Game Operations Manual exists or is the NFL lying?

.

Give it up.

'at least 3 posters have slapped him silly on this topic, and all they've done is hurt their hands.

He's wrong, he probably knows he's wrong, but he'll never admit it.

Lost cause