Goodell Ignoring His Own NFL Rules

[mudwhistle]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

 

[Pogo]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

 

[Pogo]

"Drudgenow.com"

No wonder you got played like a three-dollar banjo. SMFH

 

[Pogo]

>> We also note that when Colin Kaepernick first made waves by kneeling during pre-game ceremonies back in August 2016, the NFL issued a statement proclaiming that “Players are encouraged but not required to stand during the playing of the National Anthem.” NBC News similarly observed that “The NFL has no such rule, and the Collective Bargaining Agreement is silent on the subject.” << --- Snopes​

Completely fake news thread based on bullshit.

 

[Auld Phart]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

Your entire piece can be used to prove they should be at least admonished for taking a knee.

"Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem"
odd statement.

 

[G.T.]

even if it wasnt fake news...

"can be"

implies that its enforced at discretion.

 

[Pogo]

It's interesting that WillHaftawaite considers the debunking of outright lies to be "funny".

Care to explain how truth is "funny"?

 

[Hossfly]

 

[Pogo]

*Interesting fact: The National Basketball Association does have an official rule pertaining to the National Anthem, and in 1996 suspended Denver Nuggets lead scorer Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf over his refusal to stand.
--- VERIFY: Are NFL Players Required to Stand for National Anthem?​

Interesting title: "Verify". What a concept.

Anybody remember "trust but verify"? Apparently not.

My search to debunk this fake news thread took 0.95 seconds.

 

[Auld Phart]

It's interesting that WillHaftawaite considers the debunking of outright lies to be "funny".

Care to explain how truth is "funny"?

did you read my post?

 

[Pogo]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

Your entire piece can be used to prove they should be at least admonished for taking a knee.

"Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem"
odd statement.

Not "odd" at all.

Once again the relevant passage in the rule book (the real one, not the fake bullshit the OP posted) reads:

"The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns."​

If we read "otherwise convey" to include any gesture or posture, whelp, reacting in any way, positively or negatively, to the national anthem being played, whether that be standing in silence, taking a knee, doing cartwheels --- IS conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause. The only way to avoid conveying such a message is to completely ignore that the anthem is going on and continue warming up, going over plays or whatever one needs to do.

Think about it.

 

[Pogo]

It's interesting that WillHaftawaite considers the debunking of outright lies to be "funny".

Care to explain how truth is "funny"?

did you read my post?

You posted at the same time I did. I have now replied to your post, although it still does not explain how debunking fake news is "funny".

I PROVED it's fake news. With a link directly to the same rule book the OP misrepresented because he didn't bother to vet his source even though its name "Drudgenow" should have been a screaming clue.

How is that "funny"?

 

[Auld Phart]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

Your entire piece can be used to prove they should be at least admonished for taking a knee.

"Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem"
odd statement.

Not "odd" at all.

Once again the relevant passage in the rule book (the real one, not the fake bullshit the OP posted) reads:

"The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns."​

If we read "otherwise convey" to include any gesture or posture, whelp, reacting in any way, positively or negatively, to the national anthem being played, whether that be standing in silence, taking a knee, doing cartwheels --- IS conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause. The only way to avoid conveying such a message is to completely ignore that the anthem is going on and continue warming up, going over plays or whatever one needs to do.

Think about it.

then you agree, taking a knee is "conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause."

Right?

and therefore, against the rules

 

[Auld Phart]

It's interesting that WillHaftawaite considers the debunking of outright lies to be "funny".

Care to explain how truth is "funny"?

did you read my post?

You posted at the same time I did. I have now replied to your post, although it still does not explain how debunking fake news is "funny".

I PROVED it's fake news. With a link directly to the same rule book the OP misrepresented because he didn't bother to vet his source even though its name "Drudgenow" should have been a screaming clue.

How is that "funny"?

I wasn't responding to the 'fake news' part of the thread.

I was referring to your inability to see what you later highlighted.

"conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause."

 

[Pogo]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

Your entire piece can be used to prove they should be at least admonished for taking a knee.

"Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem"
odd statement.

Not "odd" at all.

Once again the relevant passage in the rule book (the real one, not the fake bullshit the OP posted) reads:

"The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns."​

If we read "otherwise convey" to include any gesture or posture, whelp, reacting in any way, positively or negatively, to the national anthem being played, whether that be standing in silence, taking a knee, doing cartwheels --- IS conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause. The only way to avoid conveying such a message is to completely ignore that the anthem is going on and continue warming up, going over plays or whatever one needs to do.

Think about it.

then you agree, taking a knee is "conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause."

Right?

and therefore, against the rules

Exactly. Technically they're prohibited from reacting at all. Which is absurd but that's an arguable read.

Which, if you want to go there, means every player who stood before in standard fashion also "needs to be fined" because they acknowledged it with a posture.

 

[Pogo]

It's interesting that WillHaftawaite considers the debunking of outright lies to be "funny".

Care to explain how truth is "funny"?

did you read my post?

You posted at the same time I did. I have now replied to your post, although it still does not explain how debunking fake news is "funny".

I PROVED it's fake news. With a link directly to the same rule book the OP misrepresented because he didn't bother to vet his source even though its name "Drudgenow" should have been a screaming clue.

How is that "funny"?

I wasn't responding to the 'fake news' part of the thread.

I was referring to your inability to see what you later highlighted.

"conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause."

I already explained that. In fact those are my own words IN explaining it.

Let it steep until it sinks in.

In other words you're cherrypicking. You're butthurt that you can't dismiss the forest, so you fixate on one of its trees.

 

[Auld Phart]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

Your entire piece can be used to prove they should be at least admonished for taking a knee.

"Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem"
odd statement.

Not "odd" at all.

Once again the relevant passage in the rule book (the real one, not the fake bullshit the OP posted) reads:

"The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns."​

If we read "otherwise convey" to include any gesture or posture, whelp, reacting in any way, positively or negatively, to the national anthem being played, whether that be standing in silence, taking a knee, doing cartwheels --- IS conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause. The only way to avoid conveying such a message is to completely ignore that the anthem is going on and continue warming up, going over plays or whatever one needs to do.

Think about it.

then you agree, taking a knee is "conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause."

Right?

and therefore, against the rules

Exactly. Technically they're prohibited from reacting at all. Which is absurd but that's an arguable read.

Which, if you want to go there, means every player who stood before in standard fashion also "needs to be fined" because they acknowledged it with a posture.

even funnier.

By just standing there, they are as guilty as those that made a scene?

 

[Auld Phart]

It's interesting that WillHaftawaite considers the debunking of outright lies to be "funny".

Care to explain how truth is "funny"?

did you read my post?

You posted at the same time I did. I have now replied to your post, although it still does not explain how debunking fake news is "funny".

I PROVED it's fake news. With a link directly to the same rule book the OP misrepresented because he didn't bother to vet his source even though its name "Drudgenow" should have been a screaming clue.

How is that "funny"?

I wasn't responding to the 'fake news' part of the thread.

I was referring to your inability to see what you later highlighted.

"conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause."

I already explained that. In fact those are my own words IN explaining it.

Let it steep until it sinks in.

that might be a plan for you.

you still don't seem to understand what you read.

""The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages"

By kneeling, they are conveying a message!

 

[Pogo]

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

Your entire piece can be used to prove they should be at least admonished for taking a knee.

"Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem"
odd statement.

Not "odd" at all.

Once again the relevant passage in the rule book (the real one, not the fake bullshit the OP posted) reads:

"The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns."​

If we read "otherwise convey" to include any gesture or posture, whelp, reacting in any way, positively or negatively, to the national anthem being played, whether that be standing in silence, taking a knee, doing cartwheels --- IS conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause. The only way to avoid conveying such a message is to completely ignore that the anthem is going on and continue warming up, going over plays or whatever one needs to do.

Think about it.

then you agree, taking a knee is "conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause."

Right?

and therefore, against the rules

Exactly. Technically they're prohibited from reacting at all. Which is absurd but that's an arguable read.

Which, if you want to go there, means every player who stood before in standard fashion also "needs to be fined" because they acknowledged it with a posture.

even funnier.

By just standing there, they are as guilty as those that made a scene?

Correct.

Because if you want to read the rules that way --- rules that nowhere mention standing for a national anthem or mention a national anthem at all --- then you have to read it the same way for all cases.

Again, you don't get to write blanket rules and then just cherrypick what you like out of it.

Again -- let it steep. Think it through.

 

[Pogo]

It's interesting that WillHaftawaite considers the debunking of outright lies to be "funny".

Care to explain how truth is "funny"?

did you read my post?

You posted at the same time I did. I have now replied to your post, although it still does not explain how debunking fake news is "funny".

I PROVED it's fake news. With a link directly to the same rule book the OP misrepresented because he didn't bother to vet his source even though its name "Drudgenow" should have been a screaming clue.

How is that "funny"?

I wasn't responding to the 'fake news' part of the thread.

I was referring to your inability to see what you later highlighted.

"conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause."

I already explained that. In fact those are my own words IN explaining it.

Let it steep until it sinks in.

that might be a plan for you.

you still don't seem to understand what you read.

""The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages"

By kneeling, they are conveying a message!

NO SHIT SHERLOCK.
And by standing they're conveying another message.

This must be completely over your head. Either that or you're embarrassed and desperately trying to derail the topic somewhere else.

Like you did yesterday with that ridiculous assertion that all of this had nothing to do with a national anthem. Remember that shit? Hilarious.