Different story; different circumstances.God rejected Esau too, you know. Even though he was Issac's first born.
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Different story; different circumstances.God rejected Esau too, you know. Even though he was Issac's first born.
Right. Suuuuure it was. It's not evidence of God's rejection even though Esau was still the leader of many and a nation unto himself.Different story; different circumstances.God rejected Esau too, you know. Even though he was Issac's first born.
Game, Set, Match.Nope.Was Jesus Allah in the flesh, come down for the salvation of all mankind?
Jesus was not divine; just a man.
Jhn 8:42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
Jhn 8:43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.
Jhn 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Jhn 8:45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
Jhn 8:55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word.
Jhn 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
Jhn 8:59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
Tts 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.
Tts 3:10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.
Tts 3:11 You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
Oh, and to add...
Tts 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.
Tts 3:10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.
Tts 3:11 You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
The rebuilding of the temple is supposed to happen before Jesus SECOND coming. He has already been here.Oh, and to add...
Tts 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.
Tts 3:10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.
Tts 3:11 You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
The prophesies require the rebuilding of the Temple before the coming of the Messiah. Thereafter certain things were supposed to occur, culminating in 1000 years of peace. None of that has happene. Moreover, the Messiah was not a spiritual savior, but a Messianic King of the line of David. This too has never occurred.
I'm not saying you shouldn't believe what yo do, I'd never question your faith. But mine is equally valid. Just thought I'd point that out, Fitz.
That does not prove allah is the true god. Ishmael is the father of the arabic nation. At some point the arabic nation lost their faith in the one true God and followed other gods. Mohammed is the father of the islam faith. Islam is all lies from the LIAR mohammed. The argument that allah is the same God of Christians and Jews holds no water and is nothing but a lie.Dang..........I was hoping I was finished teaching you your Bible............but since you insist.The only thing I want to see posted from you is that verse that says the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is also the God of Ishmael. If not I claim victory over you misguided belief. And your muslim faith is bullshit.
Genesis 21:19 "Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water; and she went and filled the skin with water and gave the lad a drink.
20 "God was with the lad, and he grew; and he lived in the wilderness and became an archer.
This is all irrelevant. The point is the Bible clearly says that Ishmael and Hagar were cast out by God's instruction from Abrahams house. It also calls Ishmael a wild donkey who's decendants will be at war with everybody. Most importantly it very clearly says that it was Issac, not Ishmael that Abraham was asked to sacrifice, and it was Issac that the Promise and Covenant were to go to. These indesputable truths explode the very foundation of Islam. Now do you understand why it's not good to have an illiterate terrorist Saudi Arabian theif as prophet?That verse states that God was with Ishmael is straight out of the Bible.I was hoping you would have produced that verse so you could claim victory, but all you have done is posted irrelevant cultist muslim talking pointsDang..........I was hoping I was finished teaching you your Bible............but since you insist.
Genesis 21:19 "Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water; and she went and filled the skin with water and gave the lad a drink.
20 "God was with the lad, and he grew; and he lived in the wilderness and became an archer.
What part of the verse, Genesis 21:20 "God was with the lad" (Ishmael), do you not understand?
Are you denying this is a verse from the Bible??
It says what it says whether you like it or not.
Not sure why you think that this information would, "explode the very foundation of Islam"?Most importantly it very clearly says that it was Issac, not Ishmael that Abraham was asked to sacrifice, and it was Issac that the Promise and Covenant were to go to. These indesputable truths explode the very foundation of Islam.
I always laugh when I hear Christian denigrate the name "Allah".
The word Allah just means "The God" in arabic.
If you go to a Christian church anywhere in the Middle East. Their services are conducted in the Arabic language and their Bibles are printed in Arabic.
If you open their Bible you will see that they use the word "Allah" instead of "God" or "Lord" like in the English translation of the King James Bible.
I have seen those before. They are very nice and hand made.I always laugh when I hear Christian denigrate the name "Allah".
The word Allah just means "The God" in arabic.
If you go to a Christian church anywhere in the Middle East. Their services are conducted in the Arabic language and their Bibles are printed in Arabic.
If you open their Bible you will see that they use the word "Allah" instead of "God" or "Lord" like in the English translation of the King James Bible.
I have a copper wall hanging which I bought in Egypt that has the 99 names of God on it, likely from the Quran. But it's a cool wall hanging. I'm doing a room in Turkish paisley. When I'm done it goes in there along with an oil painting I bought there as well.
Not sure why you think that this information would, "explode the very foundation of Islam"?Most importantly it very clearly says that it was Issac, not Ishmael that Abraham was asked to sacrifice, and it was Issac that the Promise and Covenant were to go to. These indesputable truths explode the very foundation of Islam.
Because the Quran clearly states that Isaac is the Patriarch of the Jews.
And that the Jews were the Chosen People.
Every muslim knows that the Quran says this.
Beside being ignorant; you are totally wrong.Not sure why you think that this information would, "explode the very foundation of Islam"?Most importantly it very clearly says that it was Issac, not Ishmael that Abraham was asked to sacrifice, and it was Issac that the Promise and Covenant were to go to. These indesputable truths explode the very foundation of Islam.
Because the Quran clearly states that Isaac is the Patriarch of the Jews.
And that the Jews were the Chosen People.
Every muslim knows that the Quran says this.
Then you are ignorant of Islam. The foundation of Islam is the lie of Abrahams sacrifice of Ishmael.
Then you are ignorant of Islam. It is based on the lie (one of many in Islam) that Abraham actually wanted to sacrifice Ishmael and not Issac as it clearly says so in the OT.Not sure why you think that this information would, "explode the very foundation of Islam"?Most importantly it very clearly says that it was Issac, not Ishmael that Abraham was asked to sacrifice, and it was Issac that the Promise and Covenant were to go to. These indesputable truths explode the very foundation of Islam.
Because the Quran clearly states that Isaac is the Patriarch of the Jews.
And that the Jews were the Chosen People.
Every muslim knows that the Quran says this.
I am assuming that you can provide the board with a link to your quote?Then you are ignorant of Islam. It is based on the lie (one of many in Islam) that Abraham actually wanted to sacrifice Ishmael and not Issac as it clearly says so in the OT.
Islam
"It is considered to be incumbent upon sufficiently wealthy Muslims to sacrifice a large mammal during Eid ul-Adha (the Festival of Sacrifice), which falls during the period of Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca). Typically, a sheep or goat is sacrificed, in commemoration of the Sacrifice of Ismail, in which God tested the faith of Abraham (Ibrahim) by ordering him to sacrifice his son Ishmael (Ismail). Over 100 million animals are slaughtered annually during Eid ul-Adha across the Islamic world within a 48 hour period."
I have seen those before. They are very nice and hand made.I always laugh when I hear Christian denigrate the name "Allah".
The word Allah just means "The God" in arabic.
If you go to a Christian church anywhere in the Middle East. Their services are conducted in the Arabic language and their Bibles are printed in Arabic.
If you open their Bible you will see that they use the word "Allah" instead of "God" or "Lord" like in the English translation of the King James Bible.
I have a copper wall hanging which I bought in Egypt that has the 99 names of God on it, likely from the Quran. But it's a cool wall hanging. I'm doing a room in Turkish paisley. When I'm done it goes in there along with an oil painting I bought there as well.
Yes, the 99 names are all found in the Quran.
Also called the "99 Atributes of God".
99 Names of God - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't know how much that is in dollars.I have seen those before. They are very nice and hand made.I have a copper wall hanging which I bought in Egypt that has the 99 names of God on it, likely from the Quran. But it's a cool wall hanging. I'm doing a room in Turkish paisley. When I'm done it goes in there along with an oil painting I bought there as well.
Yes, the 99 names are all found in the Quran.
Also called the "99 Atributes of God".
99 Names of God - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It cost 99E£ (99 Egyptian pounds).
That does not prove allah is the true god. Ishmael is the father of the arabic nation. At some point the arabic nation lost their faith in the one true God and followed other gods. Mohammed is the father of the islam faith. Islam is all lies from the LIAR mohammed. The argument that allah is the same God of Christians and Jews holds no water and is nothing but a lie.Dang..........I was hoping I was finished teaching you your Bible............but since you insist.The only thing I want to see posted from you is that verse that says the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is also the God of Ishmael. If not I claim victory over you misguided belief. And your muslim faith is bullshit.
Genesis 21:19 "Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water; and she went and filled the skin with water and gave the lad a drink.
20 "God was with the lad, and he grew; and he lived in the wilderness and became an archer.
Waiting.................I am assuming that you can provide the board with a link to your quote?Then you are ignorant of Islam. It is based on the lie (one of many in Islam) that Abraham actually wanted to sacrifice Ishmael and not Issac as it clearly says so in the OT.
Islam
"It is considered to be incumbent upon sufficiently wealthy Muslims to sacrifice a large mammal during Eid ul-Adha (the Festival of Sacrifice), which falls during the period of Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca). Typically, a sheep or goat is sacrificed, in commemoration of the Sacrifice of Ismail, in which God tested the faith of Abraham (Ibrahim) by ordering him to sacrifice his son Ishmael (Ismail). Over 100 million animals are slaughtered annually during Eid ul-Adha across the Islamic world within a 48 hour period."