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Having or accepting that another innocent person suffer for the wrongs I have done, --- so that I might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
Jesus came with a message from God the Father: Repentance for the forgiveness of sins. This announcement, that of turning away from sin, and forgiveness is yours, was novel and innovative news. Jesus insisted this was the New Covenant (Testament) between God and His people. Like anything new and innovative, it was met with opposition. Jesus was told to cease and desist. When he didn't take the hint he was crucified, and his blood became the sign of the New Covenant. Christ was the sacrifice, his blood was the seal of the covenant. People of the day, and of Jewish religious background, understood the meaning of this.
Jesus suffered, yes. However, as always, it our responsibility to turn away from sin and make reparation (as far as possible) for sins we forget.
That message was already known.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Further, I see Jesus' death as more of a suicide than a sacrifice.
The wages of sin is death and if Jesus died he must have been a sinner and suicide is considered a sin by many.
If you read the last supper myth, suicide is what you will see. It is quite obvious.
Regards
DL
Jesus died on the cross in a diaper to pay for my sins, so since that bill is paid, all sinning is IRRELEVANT!!!The truth doesn't care if you are impressed with it. It simply is.
He sacrificed Himself because He loves you
Jesus was wrong (or maybe it's just you?), he died on the cross for our sins, all the religions of the bible say so.Jesus already died for your sins, you have no debt to pay.
That particular idea was first presented about five hundred years ago with the "Reformation". Catholic teaching relies on Apostolic teaching dating back to Christ's teachings. Jesus is clear: Repentance (turning away from sin) for the forgiveness of sins.
Let's not forget Old Testament teachings (Isaiah 43:25) - It is I, the Lord, who wipe out your offenses; your sins I remember no more. Would you have me remember, have us come to trial? This reminds us there never was any "debt to pay". Repent and forgiveness is yours--sin (and therefore debt) forgotten.
Yep keep telling yourself that....no one gets a pass. If you are not sorry for your sins and think some how Jesus dying on the cross will save you you are mistaken.Yes automatically, Jesus died for our sins already
Judgement and punishment are two different events. If you are a bad person you don't need God to point it out you already know it. Thus you are making the judgement and God is dealing out the punishment. See it's easy to think logically when one tries.So he is not our judge, but judges us to decide if we deserve punishment or not.
Thanks for showing your lack of thinking ability.
Regards
DL
Jesus died for my sins and I accept. You don't seem to want that, too bad, he already died to pay for your sins whether you like it or not.Jesus was wrong (or maybe it's just you?), he died on the cross for our sins, all the religions of the bible say so.
Star Wars can be summed up with: Darth Vader is Luke's Father. What? There is so much more to Star Wars than that? You don't say!
If a person wants to argue against faith, all they have to do is take one line from the Bible and make it look ridiculous--which is like trying to kill someone by giving them a manicure. What saved the Jews of Exodus from death? The blood of a sacrificial lamb. What saves Christians from death? Our sacrificial lamb. Just like the Jews could not rest on their laurels and stay exactly where they were, nor can Christians. The Jews had to overcome the desert. Christians have to overcome sin. Very few Christians will say differently.
No, he paid my sin bill, Christianity says so. It says nothing of bringing a dead guy the bill. Where did you read that?Jesus died on the cross in a diaper to pay for my sins, so since that bill is paid, all sinning is IRRELEVANT!!!The truth doesn't care if you are impressed with it. It simply is.
He sacrificed Himself because He loves you
The bill is only paid if you bring it to Him and repent
That's what the religions of the bible say, not me.Jesus was wrong (or maybe it's just you?), he died on the cross for our sins, all the religions of the bible say so.Jesus already died for your sins, you have no debt to pay.
That particular idea was first presented about five hundred years ago with the "Reformation". Catholic teaching relies on Apostolic teaching dating back to Christ's teachings. Jesus is clear: Repentance (turning away from sin) for the forgiveness of sins.
Let's not forget Old Testament teachings (Isaiah 43:25) - It is I, the Lord, who wipe out your offenses; your sins I remember no more. Would you have me remember, have us come to trial? This reminds us there never was any "debt to pay". Repent and forgiveness is yours--sin (and therefore debt) forgotten.
How would you know?
Jesus died on the cross for my sins. End of story.Yep keep telling yourself that....no one gets a pass. If you are not sorry for your sins and think some how Jesus dying on the cross will save you you are mistaken.Yes automatically, Jesus died for our sins already
The Y name is not the Elokim name.God; a good father or a deadbeat dad. Which is the truth?
The use of the term Father in speaking of God is quite ancient and was around way before Jesus started using the term, even though he used son of man a lot more than son of God.
A son calling someone father in the proud way Jesus did is respecting a worthy father, but if we look at Yahweh, I do not see how anyone could be proud of such a father.
Yahweh is definitely portrayed as being quite vile thanks to his use of genocide, infanticide and punishing the innocent instead of the guilty quite often. Yahweh is also shown to covet Joseph’s wife, cuckold Joseph, produce a son and then take off for parts unknown leaving his responsibility for his son to others thus showing himself to be a deadbeat dad.
Scripture say that we are all sons of God. To be relevant to his children, a father has to be around to interact with them. It seems that God does not want to be relevant to us as he remains absent and places us, his children, at the mercy of people who have written scripture more to enrich themselves than to give us the messages from God that they claim to know. Even though scriptures say that God id unknowable and unfathomable and his desires cannot be known.
My analysis of the bible and God does not show God to be a good father.
Do you, as a child of God, see God as a good father or as more of a deadbeat dad?
Regards
DL
Jesus died for my sins and I accept. You don't seem to want that, too bad, he already died to pay for your sins whether you like it or not.
Fathers weren't very loving. Even my grandfather's generation didn't express much love and affection.God; a good father or a deadbeat dad. Which is the truth?
The use of the term Father in speaking of God is quite ancient and was around way before Jesus started using the term, even though he used son of man a lot more than son of God.
A son calling someone father in the proud way Jesus did is respecting a worthy father, but if we look at Yahweh, I do not see how anyone could be proud of such a father.
Yahweh is definitely portrayed as being quite vile thanks to his use of genocide, infanticide and punishing the innocent instead of the guilty quite often. Yahweh is also shown to covet Joseph’s wife, cuckold Joseph, produce a son and then take off for parts unknown leaving his responsibility for his son to others thus showing himself to be a deadbeat dad.
Scripture say that we are all sons of God. To be relevant to his children, a father has to be around to interact with them. It seems that God does not want to be relevant to us as he remains absent and places us, his children, at the mercy of people who have written scripture more to enrich themselves than to give us the messages from God that they claim to know. Even though scriptures say that God id unknowable and unfathomable and his desires cannot be known.
My analysis of the bible and God does not show God to be a good father.
Do you, as a child of God, see God as a good father or as more of a deadbeat dad?
Regards
DL
You don't believe most of what's in the bible anyways, so your opinion doesn't count.Jesus died for my sins and I accept. You don't seem to want that, too bad, he already died to pay for your sins whether you like it or not.
What I want is full understanding of what scripture presents. Taking a verse or two and making up one's own scripture is comparable to making clay pigeons. They're only good for shooting down.
The truth doesn't care if you are impressed with it. It simply is.
He sacrificed Himself because He loves you
A person or God that loves me would not ask me to do an immoral thing.
Having or accepting that another innocent person suffer for the wrongs I have done, --- so that I might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
Do you agree?
Regards
DL
How is mercy immoral?
Fathers weren't very loving. Even my grandfather's generation didn't express much love and affection.God; a good father or a deadbeat dad. Which is the truth?
The use of the term Father in speaking of God is quite ancient and was around way before Jesus started using the term, even though he used son of man a lot more than son of God.
A son calling someone father in the proud way Jesus did is respecting a worthy father, but if we look at Yahweh, I do not see how anyone could be proud of such a father.
Yahweh is definitely portrayed as being quite vile thanks to his use of genocide, infanticide and punishing the innocent instead of the guilty quite often. Yahweh is also shown to covet Joseph’s wife, cuckold Joseph, produce a son and then take off for parts unknown leaving his responsibility for his son to others thus showing himself to be a deadbeat dad.
Scripture say that we are all sons of God. To be relevant to his children, a father has to be around to interact with them. It seems that God does not want to be relevant to us as he remains absent and places us, his children, at the mercy of people who have written scripture more to enrich themselves than to give us the messages from God that they claim to know. Even though scriptures say that God id unknowable and unfathomable and his desires cannot be known.
My analysis of the bible and God does not show God to be a good father.
Do you, as a child of God, see God as a good father or as more of a deadbeat dad?
Regards
DL
So when men made up god they imagined he gave tough love too.
Having or accepting that another innocent person suffer for the wrongs I have done, --- so that I might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
Jesus came with a message from God the Father: Repentance for the forgiveness of sins. This announcement, that of turning away from sin, and forgiveness is yours, was novel and innovative news. Jesus insisted this was the New Covenant (Testament) between God and His people. Like anything new and innovative, it was met with opposition. Jesus was told to cease and desist. When he didn't take the hint he was crucified, and his blood became the sign of the New Covenant. Christ was the sacrifice, his blood was the seal of the covenant. People of the day, and of Jewish religious background, understood the meaning of this.
Jesus suffered, yes. However, as always, it our responsibility to turn away from sin and make reparation (as far as possible) for sins we forget.
That message was already known.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Further, I see Jesus' death as more of a suicide than a sacrifice.
The wages of sin is death and if Jesus died he must have been a sinner and suicide is considered a sin by many.
If you read the last supper myth, suicide is what you will see. It is quite obvious.
Regards
DL
How you see the Lords sacrifice has no bearing on whether it was a sacrifice or not.
Because He gave Himself we will rise from the grave in immortality. Everyone who ever lived.
Because of Him we can receive mercy and our sins will washed away. If we covenant with Him we can receive eternal life which is His life.
He became subject to death to overcome it and free us from it. And praise to Him for it.
Well remember even though it's the greatest bullshit story ever told, it was made up by our primitive ignorant ancestors thousands of years ago and it was designed to teach a message of obedience, submission, respect for authority, don't question what God says or he will smite you. LOL.Fathers weren't very loving. Even my grandfather's generation didn't express much love and affection.God; a good father or a deadbeat dad. Which is the truth?
The use of the term Father in speaking of God is quite ancient and was around way before Jesus started using the term, even though he used son of man a lot more than son of God.
A son calling someone father in the proud way Jesus did is respecting a worthy father, but if we look at Yahweh, I do not see how anyone could be proud of such a father.
Yahweh is definitely portrayed as being quite vile thanks to his use of genocide, infanticide and punishing the innocent instead of the guilty quite often. Yahweh is also shown to covet Joseph’s wife, cuckold Joseph, produce a son and then take off for parts unknown leaving his responsibility for his son to others thus showing himself to be a deadbeat dad.
Scripture say that we are all sons of God. To be relevant to his children, a father has to be around to interact with them. It seems that God does not want to be relevant to us as he remains absent and places us, his children, at the mercy of people who have written scripture more to enrich themselves than to give us the messages from God that they claim to know. Even though scriptures say that God id unknowable and unfathomable and his desires cannot be known.
My analysis of the bible and God does not show God to be a good father.
Do you, as a child of God, see God as a good father or as more of a deadbeat dad?
Regards
DL
So when men made up god they imagined he gave tough love too.
Mine did.
Yahweh did not show tough love. He showed he was a deadbeat dad with enough hate for his son to have him needlessly murdered. That is not tough love. It is hate.
Regards
DL
Judgement and punishment are two different events. If you are a bad person you don't need God to point it out you already know it. Thus you are making the judgement and God is dealing out the punishment. See it's easy to think logically when one tries.So he is not our judge, but judges us to decide if we deserve punishment or not.
Thanks for showing your lack of thinking ability.
Regards
DL
The Y name is not the Elokim name.God; a good father or a deadbeat dad. Which is the truth?
The use of the term Father in speaking of God is quite ancient and was around way before Jesus started using the term, even though he used son of man a lot more than son of God.
A son calling someone father in the proud way Jesus did is respecting a worthy father, but if we look at Yahweh, I do not see how anyone could be proud of such a father.
Yahweh is definitely portrayed as being quite vile thanks to his use of genocide, infanticide and punishing the innocent instead of the guilty quite often. Yahweh is also shown to covet Joseph’s wife, cuckold Joseph, produce a son and then take off for parts unknown leaving his responsibility for his son to others thus showing himself to be a deadbeat dad.
Scripture say that we are all sons of God. To be relevant to his children, a father has to be around to interact with them. It seems that God does not want to be relevant to us as he remains absent and places us, his children, at the mercy of people who have written scripture more to enrich themselves than to give us the messages from God that they claim to know. Even though scriptures say that God id unknowable and unfathomable and his desires cannot be known.
My analysis of the bible and God does not show God to be a good father.
Do you, as a child of God, see God as a good father or as more of a deadbeat dad?
Regards
DL
The Y name operates above the laws of nature.
Elokim operates within the laws of nature.
Misbehave and these 2 aspects of the unknown Endless One kicks in to measure how far the free willed creature can corrupt the creation until a reset is necessary.
Well remember even though it's the greatest bullshit story ever told, it was made up by our primitive ignorant ancestors thousands of years ago and it was designed to teach a message of obedience, submission, respect for authority, don't question what God says or he will smite you. LOL.Fathers weren't very loving. Even my grandfather's generation didn't express much love and affection.God; a good father or a deadbeat dad. Which is the truth?
The use of the term Father in speaking of God is quite ancient and was around way before Jesus started using the term, even though he used son of man a lot more than son of God.
A son calling someone father in the proud way Jesus did is respecting a worthy father, but if we look at Yahweh, I do not see how anyone could be proud of such a father.
Yahweh is definitely portrayed as being quite vile thanks to his use of genocide, infanticide and punishing the innocent instead of the guilty quite often. Yahweh is also shown to covet Joseph’s wife, cuckold Joseph, produce a son and then take off for parts unknown leaving his responsibility for his son to others thus showing himself to be a deadbeat dad.
Scripture say that we are all sons of God. To be relevant to his children, a father has to be around to interact with them. It seems that God does not want to be relevant to us as he remains absent and places us, his children, at the mercy of people who have written scripture more to enrich themselves than to give us the messages from God that they claim to know. Even though scriptures say that God id unknowable and unfathomable and his desires cannot be known.
My analysis of the bible and God does not show God to be a good father.
Do you, as a child of God, see God as a good father or as more of a deadbeat dad?
Regards
DL
So when men made up god they imagined he gave tough love too.
Mine did.
Yahweh did not show tough love. He showed he was a deadbeat dad with enough hate for his son to have him needlessly murdered. That is not tough love. It is hate.
Regards
DL
