CultureCitizen
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I kind of gave up trying to educate deniers for a time for several reasons :Well, if you have something relevant to say, state it. Otherwise, be content with people just regarding you as a stupid troll.Wow.
You got all that out of my post.
You are incredible.
1) Oil got incredibly cheap, so it's almost impossible to get to a break even price with solar
2) There is simply not enough data yet to declare an inminent danger ( there are some small hints that warming is becoming exponential and not linear , but it can't be confirmed yet).
If warming is linear we still have plenty of time ( 40 years) before facing a global catastrophe. Meanwhile solar and batteries continue to mature. I hope to see solar kick in once Saudis have ended their oil dumping fiasco.
What makes you think that a one degree rise will lead to a catastrophe? I'm curious. Every scrap of historical fact says that when it has been warmer it has been better. By far. What makes you think there is an impending disaster? I'm curious.
One degree (celsius ) is what we've gotten in the past 35 years.
Another degree might not do too much harm .
On the other hand , if the growth is exponential and we get two degrees instead of one in the next 35 years, humanity will be facing some serious consequences: the drought in California might become permanent.
Then again, clean energy has to be economically feasible, even at current prices it's a great option for Hawaii, but not so for the rest of the US.
I constantly review the technology . 2016 seems to be the first year in which a combination of solar cells, electric vehicles, batteries and water heaters can get you to break-even prices in 10 years of usage in southern states. Barely good enough to make the switch to solar in a household. Personally I will wait another 5 years before switching .
I can't switch right now anyway: I don't get enough sun in my current apartment I need 200 sq ft of roof to cover all my needs . I am planning to move to a house once I finish paying the mortgage.
Not quite. It's around .7C. So what? The MWP in my region was 2.3 to 2.7 C warmer than the present day, and it was a garden of Eden.
Over the last 1200 years California has endured at least three droughts that lasted for over 200 years. The MAJORITY of time in California over the last 1200 years has been drought stricken. It is NORMAL.
What about the pollution created by the manufacturing process of solar modules? It is significant and I believe far more dangerous than any GW related "pollution".
I think you are too early for your break even levels but I do hope that the technology does indeed get the cost down. I have had solar on my house for over 25 years and they have always been merely for emergency use when the grid failed. They were never able to meet even half the need.
Indeed, solar panels also pollute, and the recycling process is still unclear. Honestly batteries wory me more than panels.
And while some forms of oil are relatively "clean" others like fracking and and tar sands are one of the dirtiest sources of energy.
It is not just the panels, but the vehicles : I've just read of a vehicle, (barely more than a motorcicle with a chasis), which yields 200mpge.
On the other hand , solar heaters have allways been cheap.