From Mao till Now

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    Under the direction of Mao, it is reported that horrible forms of torture and killing took place.[15]

    Victims had a red-hot metal object rammed into the anus and that there were many cases of their stomachs being cut open, and their hearts removed.[16] A confidential report found that a quarter of the entire Red Army under Mao at the time was slaughtered, often after being tortured.[17] The estimated number of the victims amounted to 'tens of thousands'[18] and could be as high as 186,000.[19] Critics accuse Mao's authority in Jiangxi of being secured and reassured through the revolutionary terrorism, or red terrorism.[20]

    Along with land reform, there were also campaigns of mass repression and public executions targeting alleged counter-revolutionaries (Zhen Fan),[28] such as former Kuomintang officials, businessmen, former employees of Western companies, intellectuals whose loyalty was suspect, and significant numbers of rural gentry.[29] The U.S. State department in 1976 estimated that there may have been a million killed in the land reform, 800,000 killed in the Zhen Fan campaign.[30] Mao himself claimed that a total of 700,000 people were executed during the years 1949–53.[31] However, because there was a policy to select "at least one landlord, and usually several, in virtually every village for public execution",[32] the number of deaths range between 2 million and 5 million.[33][34] In addition, at least 1.5 million people were sent to "reform through labour" camps.[35] Mao played a personal role in ordering these mass executions.[36][37] He defended these killings as necessary for the securing of power.[38]

    The Hundred Flowers movement led to the condemnation, silencing, and death of many citizens, also linked to Mao's Anti-Rightist Movement, with death tolls possibly in the millions.

    Mao Zedong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Anita Dunn- Obama Science Czar

    “In 1947, when Mao Tse Tung was being challenged within his own party on his plan to basically take China over, Chiang Kai Shek and the nationalist Chinese held the cities that had the army. They had the airport. They had everything on their side, and people said, ‘How can you win? How can you do this? How can you do this, against all the odds against you?’ And Mao Tse Tung said, ‘You know, you fight your war, and I'll fight mine.’”

    “And think about that for a second,” Dunn told the students. “You don't have to accept the definition of how to do things, and you don't have to follow other people's choices and paths, Okay? It is about your choices and your path. You fight your own war. You lay out your own path. You figure out what's right for you. You don't let external definitions define how good you are internally. You fight your war. You let them fight theirs. Everybody has their own path.”

    Barack Obama

    "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."

    Cass Sunstein

    "The absence of a European-style social welfare state is certainly connected with the widespread perception among the white majority that the relevant programs would disproportionately benefit African Americans (and more recently Hispanics)..."

    Carol Browner

    She is one of 14 leaders of Socialist International's, "Commission for a Sustainable World Society," which calls for "global governance."

    American Thinker: Ship of Fools: Obama's Intimates and Advisors


    While I won't go any further, I find anyone who supports a regime such as Mao's that was responsible for millions of deaths, and a style of Govt. that during the 20th Century cause untold millions to suffer and to die horrible deaths at the very least misguided and at the most quite unaware of what they are talking about. It would appear that while not calling the President himself a marxist, it does appear he has surrounded himself with a whole host of people that not only see murderer's like Che, and Mao and Lenin to be some sort of hero's but would advocate a similar style of Govt. in this nation even though history has shown over and over what a disaster those forms of Govt. lead too. If your one of those people that support this style of Govt. then prehaps it's time you took a moment and read a little bit about the 70 plus million that died under Mao's regime, and the 30 plus million that died under communist controlled Russia and then take a moment to pause before you advocate for the same thing here.
     
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    Well let me bring you up to date about what is going on in the CONUS.

    1- There are over 2,200,000 prisoners - that is more than in China at the time Mao was in power;

    2- Clinton incinerated ALIVE 93 Davidians

    3- We are going to get nationalized hellcare - over 1900 pages - rammed into our anuses.

    .:eek:
     
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    Great topic. Although depressing, that is the world though.
     
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    I felt that it needed pointing out that while some may hold the likes of Mao up as some sort of hero, he and the system in which he represented was responsible for the murder and torture of untold millions of people and makes Hitler's persecution of the Jewish people look like a tea party. So I find it disappointing to say the very least that some would advocate the same form of Govt. that these murder's represented.

    Che;
    As the only other ranked Comandante besides Fidel Castro, Guevara was an extremely harsh disciplinarian who unhesitatingly shot defectors. Deserters were punished as traitors, and Guevara was known to send execution squads to hunt down those seeking to go AWOL.[56] As a result, Guevara became feared for his brutality and ruthlessness.[57] During the guerrilla campaign, Guevara was also responsible for the often summary execution of a number of men accused of being informers, deserters or spies.[58]


    Conflicting views exist of Guevara's delight towards the executions at La Cabaña. Some exiled opposition biographers report that he relished the rituals of the firing squad, and organized them with gusto.[83] What is acknowledged by all sides is that Guevara had become a "hardened" man, who had no qualms about the death penalty or summary and collective trials. If the only way to "defend the revolution was to execute its enemies, he would not be swayed by humanitarian or political arguments."[83] This is further confirmed by a February 5, 1959, letter to Luis Paredes López in Buenos Aires where Guevara states unequivocally "The executions by firing squads are not only a necessity for the people of Cuba, but also an imposition of the people."[85]

    Che Guevara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    This is the same man that Sean Penn, Danny Glover, hold in awe as well as many Americans kids wear his image on tee's because they think it looks cool. What it really is, is like wearing the image of a mass murderer on a tee because it's the cool thing to do. Whats even more sad here, is you have many teachers in school that hold these figures in awe because they believe so much in the form of Govt. they represented that they are willing to overlook the untold millions that were murdered under it.
     
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    People's Republic of China, Mao Zedong's regime (1949-1975): 40 000 000 [make link]
    Agence France Press (25 Sept. 1999) citing at length from Courtois, Stephane, Le Livre Noir du Communism:
    Rural purges, 1946-49: 2-5M deaths
    Urban purges, 1950-57: 1M
    Great Leap Forward: 20-43M
    Cultural Revolution: 2-7M
    Labor Camps: 20M
    Tibet: 0.6-1.2M
    TOTAL: 44.5 to 72M

    While 2.2M is a lot of Americans in prison and is indeed nothing to be proud of,it pales in comparison to communist China which at one time had almost 30 million people in camps or prison at one time. Further, you will not get much of a disagreement from me as to the heavyhanded tactics used against the Branch Davidians in what could have been done with one person and saved the lives of many innocent human beings.
     
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    Dunn BTW needs to buy a good history book, Mao was NOT being challenged within his own party, and in fact the USA had known from Stilwel that Chaing would lose, Wedemyer and Marshall also agreed with this, that in 1947 it was only a matter of time before mao's communists won.
     
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