Freewill versus Laws*

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    Is there any such thing as a man-made law that does not circumvent the concept of God-given freewill?



    * Acknowledgment to M14 Shooter for inspiring the thread concept.
     
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    I can't think of one.

    Not that I'm convinced a God-given concept of freewill exists.
     
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    Freewill to choose right from wrong....we were given the KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL when the forbidden fruit was eaten from the tree:D

    it has NOTHING to do with man made laws or a ruling government....

    We are told to support our government for the MOST PART by the Bible....it tells us that our Leaders are put in to place via the will of God, and brought down by the same....

    So then you can bring out Hitler and saddam and alot of others....and i wouldn't know how to honestly answer the valid questions regarding that...just that these bad leaders were eventually brought down...though many innocents were killed in the mean time.... :(

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    Thanks, but a simple "no" would have sufficed.
     
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    sorry...but a simple no would not suffice.... you asked a question that deserved a full answer! :rolleyes:

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    Sure. Think about it as a cost associated with action. A law says "Do not do X" but what the law really means is "Do not do X... or else." As long as you are okay with taking the "or else" consequence, then you remain free to do what you like.

    Actually, I am iffy on the whole concept of "free will," but this would be one way to conceptualize the law.
     
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    if you know right from wrong....which the Bible teaches that we ALL KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG, inately....then freewill is just choosing right from wrong...good over evil....

    or on the otherside of the coin, evil over good.

    For example, for many, laws allowing women to choose abortion are evil....

    But just because something that they think is wrong legally, does not stop them from knowing right from wrong or doing something that they just know is wrong...

    basically, regardless of the LAW, they can still choose right from wrong if they are faced with the situation of an out of wedlock pregnancy, as example.

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    I'm not familiar with any such law.

    I'm familiar with a court decision relating to laws that forbid a women to choose abortion. But a law that specifically allows it? Nope.



    In fact, I can't think of one good reason why any law would ever be required to allow anything. If there isn't a law forbidding a thing, doesn't that mean it is allowed?
     
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    huh? The laws on the books and the SC decisions at this point, allow women to legally have an abortion if the choose to do such?

    my point is that they do not have to have an abortion just because the LAW now allows it.... and even if the Law did not permit it, they still could choose to abort their child....and get the back street abortion....

    OR they can choose to keep their child and not abort....the law permitting legal abortions does not, imo, hinder a person from making the right decision.

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    Yeah... sorry... I don't put much stock in that mumbo-jumbo.
     

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