Zone1 Worshipping Mary

[BreezeWood]

- is CONTRARY to what God told us.

us or just you - from your dissertations with other posters, can you clarify just when they spoke and their exact words ... and by chance were you able to snap a photo to share with the rest of humanity your special endowment.

 

[Woodznutz]

Adam, did you eat the apple?

The woman you made gave it to me.

Gave: Put upon, nagged.
God: "Because you have hearkened to your wife's nagging..."

 

[ding]

Gave: Put upon, nagged.
Adam hearkened to his wife's nagging.

If only he had said that we'd still be in the garden, lol.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Where did K9Buck go?

I get a kick out of him.

 

[Meriweather]

Catholic cultist

Catholic organization

People who want power and to control others, they start out with dehumanizing that person or group. Note how the Catholic faith the Catholic Church is being referenced as an "organization", and members of that faith are referenced as "cultists".

Christians are the Body of Christ. Wonder how Jesus might feel about being dehumanized...

Recommend a change in tactics; something more in line with the Holy Spirit.

 

[Zebra]

The reader should also know that Surada is devoted to the teachings of the Catholic organization and not to the teachings of the Bible.

how do you know?

 

[Zebra]

People who want power and to control others, they start out with dehumanizing that person or group. Note how the Catholic faith the Catholic Church is being referenced as an "organization", and members of that faith are referenced as "cultists".

Christians are the Body of Christ. Wonder how Jesus might feel about being dehumanized...

Recommend a change in tactics; something more in line with the Holy Spirit.

i agree!

 

[BreezeWood]

Where did K9Buck go?

I get a kick out of him.

This is the type of garbage that passes as "discussion" in this shithole of a forum that is mismanaged by morons such as @Dont Taz Me Bro

- sadly k9 may no longer be with / us.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

- sadly k9 may no longer be with / us.

He is still with us but in hiding. There, however, is no place a mod god cannot see on the Board.

 

[BreezeWood]

He is still with us but in hiding. There, however, is no place a mod god cannot see on the Board.

you are sure of that - slow horse ... it is forbidden to speak to the gods of the forum, much less send a spear .... he gone - and so could it be - you as well.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

you are sure of that - slow horse ... it is forbidden to speak to the gods of the forum, much less send a spear .... he gone - and so could it be - you as well.

I am not 'speaking' to the gods, only acknowledging their powers.

 

[surada]

The reader should also know that Surada is devoted to the teachings of the Catholic organization and not to the teachings of the Bible.

Nope. I'm not Catholic, but I do respect their faith.

 

[Zebra]

Nope. I'm not Catholic, but I do respect their faith.

good!

 

[Zebra]

I am creating this thread for those who question whether or not it is consistent with God's will that people pray to and venerate Mary, the biological mother of Jesus on Earth.


Exodus 20:3-5 KJV
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


Worshipping and venerating Mary is contrary to what God told us.

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why

 

[ninja007]

Far from it. This is the view of an outsider who thinks he is alerting non-Catholic Christians to what Catholics are "really" doing.

After the sign of the cross, the rosary begins with the Apostles Creed. The next prayer is the Lord's prayer. Then comes the Hail Mary, which launches us into the angel's greeting to Mary announcing God's plan regarding Jesus, and asking if she will be a part of it. Along with all of this are the daily meditations on Christ's life. Each decade ends with, "Glory be to the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirt" and "Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins...

The Rosary is about the life of Jesus, which begins with the angel's greeting of, "Hail Mary". And non-Catholic Christians want the angel and Mary's part in Jesus life to be dismissed and forgotten.

Also, remember how Paul referred to Jesus as the new Adam, without sin? Who is the new Eve, the new Mother without sin? Shall we throw Eve out of the story of Genesis as well, or that God gave us a new (sinless) Adam but ignored and dismissed the need for a Eve (a new sinless mother). God's symmetry throughout scripture makes that unlikely.

Further, Marian apparitions through these last couple of centuries are of God's will, not Mary's. What has God called her to do? What has she said at each appearance. 1) Repent. 2) Penance 3) Pray the Rosary. These are the three things God is calling us to do in our present day and age.

So, unless one is going to argue Jesus' mother has gone rogue and is disobeying God, not obeying Him, perhaps leave off describing the rosary as something it is not and think about what God is asking of us. Repent, Penance. Pray the Rosary.

The purpose of the rosary is to lead one into the deeper prayer states of meditation and contemplation.

Is praying the rosary biblical?​

Historically, the rosary was intended by the Roman Catholic Church as an affordable way to teach and recite prayers. During medieval times, there were many faithful who could not afford a Psalter (a written collection of the Psalms) or who were entirely illiterate. Traveling priests would use strings of beads to help people memorize and recite Scripture (What is the Rosary, and the History of the Rosary | The Catholic Company®). It grew from there to encompass prayers associated with the life of Jesus. As a tool to teach prayer and meditation, the original intentions and uses of the rosary were in line with Scripture's emphasis on both.

However, it is in the "Hail Mary" and "holy Queen" sections of the rosary, as well as the promised expectations of the rote prayers, that we do not find any scriptural basis. In fact, praying to Mary is directly against the Bible's teaching. Our prayer should only ever be directed to God (Hebrews 4:14–16; 7:25; 10:19–22; Romans 8:26–27). Treating prayer as a formula that leads to our intended end or produces a specific benefit if said the correct way the correct number of times is a complete misunderstanding of the nature and purpose of prayer (Matthew 6:5–13; 1 John 5:14–15).

The Hail Mary prayer is based on Luke 1:26–33, when the angel Gabriel appeared to tell Mary that she would become the mother of Jesus, the Savior. Gabriel greets Mary by saying, "Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!" (Luke 1:28). The word "greetings" (chairo in Greek) can also be translated as "hail" or "ave," which has the weight of formality and honor usually reserved for kings. Certain translations of this interaction render it, "Hail Mary, full of grace," which is the basis of the rosary prayer.

There is no argument that Mary was indeed a very special person in God's plan for humanity's redemption. The point at which we must distinguish what is and is not scriptural is attributing to Mary any kind of ability to intercede on our behalf or to see her as one outside the need of the saving grace only available through Jesus Christ. The emphasis on praying to Mary through the rosary is based on a belief that she was somehow sinless and so close to God as to be one who could intercede for others. There is nowhere in the Bible that we see this. In fact, Scripture is very clear that we have only one mediator and that is Jesus Christ (1 Timothy 2:5).

Likewise, praying the rosary has been associated with promises like removal of sin, special graces and protection, receiving anything they pray for, special standings in heaven, and so on. Again, there is no biblical basis for these promises associated with a recitation of certain prayers in a certain order a certain number of times (Matthew 6:7–8). The removal of sin is only by grace through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:4–9). All those who believe are promised the same spiritual protection and grace, and nowhere are we promised to have our prayers answered exactly how we would like them to be answered. All is grace in Christ Jesus.

Our example for prayer comes from Jesus Himself. Though Jesus' model of prayer, often referred to as the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:5–15), is included in the praying of the rosary, as well as used by rote in Protestant churches, Jesus modeled an intimate prayer life with God that was not by memorization but through honest, fervent prayers like the one in the garden of Gethsemane (Luke 22:39–46). It is not wrong to pray the prayers we see in Scripture or other biblically-sound, pre-written prayers; but we are to pray with our minds and our hearts (1 Corinthians 14:15; John 4:24), actually communicating with our heavenly Father, not merely reciting words. This is the type of prayer life God wants for us in our relationship with Him (Philippians 4:8; 1 Thessalonians 5:17; Hebrews 4:14–16; 10:19–23). All the spiritual blessings and inheritance of faith we enjoy are because of and through Jesus Christ, the only Savior (Ephesians 1:3–14).

 

[ninja007]

why

because catholics add legalism, manmade tradition and works to Jesus' finished work and free gift.

 

[Meriweather]

Is praying the rosary biblical?

Yes, it is. It begins with the angel heralding the birth of Jesus. He appears to Mary with the greeting, "Hail, Mary..."

What began the fall of man? It was the disobedience of a woman. What was the first step towards our redemption? It was the obedience of a woman.

The rosary takes us through the life of Christ, the history of our redemption and the way of salvation. Jesus is our King...and by definition, the king's mother is given the title of Queen--the Queen Mother. Paul tells us that Jesus is the new Adam...obedient. And the story of Mary begins with the same--obedience--the new Eve.

The rosary is our Biblical story The rosary begins with Genesis and straight through to Revelation with Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit...

There is no need to justify why one does not pray the rosary or to make up false claims that it is not Biblical. In fact, it is a prayer of recognition of the power and the glory of God--His work of our redemption and our salvation...a prayer of thanksgiving.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

ninja, don't be RC then.

 

[Meriweather]

ninja, don't be RC then.

Better yet, there should be enough good to post about one's own religion that one doesn't have to go inventing things about another religion.

 

[surada]

how do you know?

I'm not Catholic, but I respect their faith.

Veneration is not the same as idolatry.