Free Country News: Feds raid Texas secessionist meeting

[S.J.]

I think it's hysterically funny how some champion the secession of certain states because they disagree with national politics and some who support that secession because they disagree with the politics within those individual states........ and both sides claim to be true Americans.......

A true American wants to fix things, not leave their nation. A true American is also a liberal, since it's a liberal nation.

A true American plays by the rules and obeys the laws set forth in the Constitution. This administration and the Democratic Party have abused their power and rendered the Constitution null and void.

What a drama queen you are...

Translation: I don't have a rebuttal so I'll throw out a meaningless insult to deflect.

 

[bripat9643]

There actually is a Constitution method of secession.

Article IV, Section 3

.... but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

All the counties of a State could convene to expel themselves out of the State, leaving only one township in the original State. So all the Counties of New York could leave New York, and as long as one township remains "New York," New York would still be in the Union and the new counties would be OUTSIDE its Jurisdiction.

Erm, not quite. That doesn't provide a unilateral remedy. New York would not be able to unilaterally secede by creating a New New York of all but one county, because first it would have to be approved by Congress. Then, New New York would still be a US state, not subject to unilateral secession.

The legal method to secede is for the state legislature to pass legislation saying it is seceding from the Union. That's all that's needed.

I already told you to get the fuck out. Go hate America somewhere else. I'm sure ISIS will take you in.

It's unfortunate for you that no one put you in charge of who can stay and who has to go. If you don't like anyone posting the facts about secession, that's tough because you're going to be hearing it more and more.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I think it's hysterically funny how some champion the secession of certain states because they disagree with national politics and some who support that secession because they disagree with the politics within those individual states........ and both sides claim to be true Americans.......

A true American wants to fix things, not leave their nation. A true American is also a liberal, since it's a liberal nation.

A true American plays by the rules and obeys the laws set forth in the Constitution. This administration and the Democratic Party have abused their power and rendered the Constitution null and void.

What a drama queen you are...

Translation: I don't have a rebuttal so I'll throw out a meaningless insult to deflect.

You are exceptionally good at deflection.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

I am encouraged that Texans apparently precipitated this thing, idiots need to have their little meetings but quit harassing public officials with this ignorant bullshit.

Leftist Communists always praise displays of government ruthlessness and power. You admire dictators, push to aggrandize the power of the state over the individual, and cheer like depraved children watching a French Revolution beheading whenever the government crushes any hint of dissent. It's no surprise to me that this raid meets with your hearty approval. You just can't help your Nazi heart.

 

[S.J.]

I think it's hysterically funny how some champion the secession of certain states because they disagree with national politics and some who support that secession because they disagree with the politics within those individual states........ and both sides claim to be true Americans.......

A true American wants to fix things, not leave their nation. A true American is also a liberal, since it's a liberal nation.

A true American plays by the rules and obeys the laws set forth in the Constitution. This administration and the Democratic Party have abused their power and rendered the Constitution null and void.

What a drama queen you are...

Translation: I don't have a rebuttal so I'll throw out a meaningless insult to deflect.

You are exceptionally good at deflection.

Says the liberal fraud and known liar.

 

[bripat9643]

I am encouraged that Texans apparently precipitated this thing, idiots need to have their little meetings but quit harassing public officials with this ignorant bullshit.

Leftist Communists always praise displays of government ruthlessness and power. You admire dictators, push to aggrandize the power of the state over the individual, and cheer like depraved children watching a French Revolution beheading whenever the government crushes any hint of dissent. It's no surprise to me that this raid meets with your hearty approval. You just can't help your Nazi heart.

Without fail, every libturd in this forum defended the actions of the FBI and ATF at Waco. They cheered the immolation of women and children.

 

[danielpalos]

Feds Raid Texas Political Meeting Fingerprint And Photograph All Attendees Seize Phones - informationliberation

BRYAN, TX — Federal and local police forces raided a political meeting, taking unusual measures to document every attendee by taking fingerprints and photographs, and seizing every cell phone and all recording equipment in the meeting hall.

The raid took place on February 14, 2015, at VFW Post 4892 in Bryan, Texas. At 10:10 a.m., an “army of policing agencies with flashing emergency lights” showed up, shut down the meeting of “congenial and unimposing” Texans and forced them to hand over their private effects and biometric data.

I guess it only works through voluntary cooperation much like the BBB or the US under the Article of Confederation. This social dilemma is analogous to the issue of Religion and its adherents who may recant their Faith for recourse to our secular and temporal and supreme laws of the land.

 

[JakeStarkey]

In fact, right wing reactionary fascists like S. J. and saintmike love ruthless government power. That is what they plan for those with whom they disagree: displays of ruthlessness and brutality. They don't understand before LEO intervenes their neighbors will put such fascists as them against the wall without trial if they try such a take over.

 

[bripat9643]

In fact, right wing reactionary fascists like S. J. and saintmike love ruthless government power. That is what they plan for those with whom they disagree: displays of ruthlessness and brutalness. They don't understand before LEO intervenes their neighbors will put such fascists as them against the wall without trial if they try such a take over.

You're the one who's always defending the government and kissing bureaucrat butt hole. You even raved about Cuba's communist healthcare system. Your sole mission in life seems to be defending whatever the government does. I would bet bottom dollar that you're some useless civil service employee who spends his entire day cruising the internet rather than doing any work.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are an anarcho commie who has no use for any government system; thus your opinion is meaningless.

 

[bripat9643]

You are an anarcho commie who has no use for any government system; thus your opinion is meaningless.

I thought I was an "right wing reactionary fascist who loves ruthless government power." That's something of a contradiction, don't you think?

Furthermore. I don't post an opinion. I posted a verifiable fact. You do nothing in this forum aside from kiss government butt hole. You are, by definition, a reactionary.

 

[danielpalos]

In fact, right wing reactionary fascists like S. J. and saintmike love ruthless government power. That is what they plan for those with whom they disagree: displays of ruthlessness and brutality. They don't understand before LEO intervenes their neighbors will put such fascists as them against the wall without trial if they try such a take over.

The Republic of Texas must be a voluntary association or it may conflict with the secular and temporal and legal jurisdiction of the State of Texas or the Union.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Feds Raid Texas Political Meeting Fingerprint And Photograph All Attendees Seize Phones - informationliberation

BRYAN, TX — Federal and local police forces raided a political meeting, taking unusual measures to document every attendee by taking fingerprints and photographs, and seizing every cell phone and all recording equipment in the meeting hall.

The raid took place on February 14, 2015, at VFW Post 4892 in Bryan, Texas. At 10:10 a.m., an “army of policing agencies with flashing emergency lights” showed up, shut down the meeting of “congenial and unimposing” Texans and forced them to hand over their private effects and biometric data.

This is exactly why Progressive government leads to mass murder, it's in their genetics. They need to disarm their slaves and then kill them off

 

[bripat9643]

Feds Raid Texas Political Meeting Fingerprint And Photograph All Attendees Seize Phones - informationliberation

BRYAN, TX — Federal and local police forces raided a political meeting, taking unusual measures to document every attendee by taking fingerprints and photographs, and seizing every cell phone and all recording equipment in the meeting hall.

The raid took place on February 14, 2015, at VFW Post 4892 in Bryan, Texas. At 10:10 a.m., an “army of policing agencies with flashing emergency lights” showed up, shut down the meeting of “congenial and unimposing” Texans and forced them to hand over their private effects and biometric data.

This is exactly why Progressive government leads to mass murder, it's in their genetics. They need to disarm their slaves and then kill them off

The reason socialism always leads to mass murder is the fact that you can't take property away from people without getting the bayonets out. People will not leave their property unless you threaten to kill them.

 

[mudwhistle]

"The pretext of the raid was that two individuals from the group had reportedly sent out “simulated court documents” — summonses for a judge and a banker to appear before the Republic of Texas to discuss the matter of a foreclosure.

These “simulated documents” were rejected and the authorities decided to react with a “show of force” — twenty officers and an extremely broad search warrant."

Ah, do be careful when attempting to overthrow the government, it tends to overthrow you, off the nearest bridge. And be careful who you associate with, they may be the wrong kinds since fringe movements like this are full of nutters.

There are dangerous fringe groups out there, this does not appear to be one of them and it does present the image of overkill on the part of Law Enforcement.
Given that I'd like to get more from the side of the raiders and why they determined this style, level of raid was necessary, there could be other unreported aspects here that justifies what Law Enforcement did.
By law if someone is not advocating the use of force or violence to overthrow the Federal government, any local, county or state government he/she/they are withing their rights as protected by the First Amendment however if they are participating in other actions that are illegal then it's a whole nother story.
No one was arrested so this has all the appearances of an intimidation tactic which would constitute a violation of their Civil Rights. Personally I believe (I have a law enforcement background) those who ordered and orchestrated the raid have some explaining to do.

4th Amendment violation.

Okay. Now prove it based on the limited information we've been given.

They have to have probable-cause that a crime is being committed.

 

[Ringel05]

"The pretext of the raid was that two individuals from the group had reportedly sent out “simulated court documents” — summonses for a judge and a banker to appear before the Republic of Texas to discuss the matter of a foreclosure.

These “simulated documents” were rejected and the authorities decided to react with a “show of force” — twenty officers and an extremely broad search warrant."

Ah, do be careful when attempting to overthrow the government, it tends to overthrow you, off the nearest bridge. And be careful who you associate with, they may be the wrong kinds since fringe movements like this are full of nutters.

There are dangerous fringe groups out there, this does not appear to be one of them and it does present the image of overkill on the part of Law Enforcement.
Given that I'd like to get more from the side of the raiders and why they determined this style, level of raid was necessary, there could be other unreported aspects here that justifies what Law Enforcement did.
By law if someone is not advocating the use of force or violence to overthrow the Federal government, any local, county or state government he/she/they are withing their rights as protected by the First Amendment however if they are participating in other actions that are illegal then it's a whole nother story.
No one was arrested so this has all the appearances of an intimidation tactic which would constitute a violation of their Civil Rights. Personally I believe (I have a law enforcement background) those who ordered and orchestrated the raid have some explaining to do.

4th Amendment violation.

Okay. Now prove it based on the limited information we've been given.

They have to have probable-cause that a crime is being committed.

How do you, or I or anyone on this site not intimately involved with the case know that they didn't have probable cause?
Were you there? Have you been involved with this group, law enforcement or anyone involved in any inside capacity throughout this groups history? I don't think so. Given that all we can do is surmise, most apparently based on what they want to see, a few based the need for more information and a knowledge of how these things are supposed to work.
As I told others the group has possible legal recourse they can pursue then it's up to a judge or jury to determine if their Civil Rights were violated.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Commies, and socialists, and mass murderers, OH MY!

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are an anarcho commie who has no use for any government system; thus your opinion is meaningless.

I thought I was an "right wing reactionary fascist who loves ruthless government power." That's something of a contradiction, don't you think?

Furthermore. I don't post an opinion. I posted a verifiable fact. You do nothing in this forum aside from kiss government butt hole. You are, by definition, a reactionary.

I was reflecting your wild across the board postings.

You know nothing, bripat snow.

You offer nothing.

You can do nothing.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Feds Raid Texas Political Meeting Fingerprint And Photograph All Attendees Seize Phones - informationliberation

BRYAN, TX — Federal and local police forces raided a political meeting, taking unusual measures to document every attendee by taking fingerprints and photographs, and seizing every cell phone and all recording equipment in the meeting hall.

The raid took place on February 14, 2015, at VFW Post 4892 in Bryan, Texas. At 10:10 a.m., an “army of policing agencies with flashing emergency lights” showed up, shut down the meeting of “congenial and unimposing” Texans and forced them to hand over their private effects and biometric data.

This is exactly why Progressive government leads to mass murder, it's in their genetics. They need to disarm their slaves and then kill them off

That is exactly what the far right wing facist reactionaries believe, yes. But in your bloviation, you forgot to mention that the members were mass murdered.

 

[mamooth]

In the photo, most of the secessionists were grayhairs. That is, the "gubmint hands off my medicare!" crowd. Latched on to the government teat, sucking out every subsidy they can get.

So, they're exactly like the conservatives on this thread. No wonder the conservatives identified so strongly with them. Nothing gets a conservative more riled up than the belief that someone might be threatening their gubmint subsidies.