"Free College Tuition" is NOT a pipe-dream

[martybegan]

The idea of affordable college scares the hell out of those on the right, same with universal healthcare, public schools, food stamps, meals on wheels.. It's proven that helping to provide education to students benefits everyone, it's why germany/etc do this. Of course, when you live in a country where a moderate social democrat is labeled a radical communist, you know there's a problem.

"It's proven that helping to provide education to students benefits everyone..." Not when colleges offer remedial reading, writing and math classes. Those students obviously are not college material.

Public education has to up their game as well as society demanding that people be responsible for their own success.

They are people who should still be given a chance, remedial classes are not a bad thing, colleges should have them. People are responsible for themselves, don't see why they're not, only right wingers believe that idiocy. Public education does need more funding..

College material is geared to the upper crust students. Remedial Reading should be taken in Community Colleges as they work for Associate Degrees. There should be more vocational training after high school. That could be free.

Yes, not everyone needs to go to college. In Germany, you get "free college" only if you pass a test (The Abitur) that gives you the right to attend universities, you have to PASS it.

 

[nat4900]

Please indicate where I did that. We are not discussing minority groups, but Democratic Party support. The thugs are yours, created and encouraged by Democrat policies and rabble-rousing. That they are black is also your doing. You've been screwing over the black man for a couple of centuries now.

I've long noticed that conservative, closet-racist (knowing that racism is not easily acceptable) have now found a way to avoid their own nagging conscience: They BLAME democrats for minorities' bad behavior and also blame democrats for "causing" them to be racists......Go figure.

 

[nat4900]

You are stealing from me to fund what you want.

Yes, I was thinking the same exact when I asked my city to fix a pothole in the access ramp to a freeway.

 

[nat4900]

Yes, not everyone needs to go to college. In Germany, you get "free college" only if you pass a test (The Abitur) that gives you the right to attend universities, you have to PASS it.

Very true......But you still have some moronic right wingers who "think" that we are calling for free tuition for ALL, that there are NO requirements for such free tuition, and that such a plan ONLY benefits democrats since many right wingers only know that universities exist from watching college football.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Before we engage in casual badinage, perhaps you should FIRST explain how such tuition would be "free".

I think that throughout my O/P I have pointed out that "free" means subsidized by taxes.....

..........many European countries like Germany already offer free college, though "free" is a relative term since tax payers absorb that cost.

But those European countries often differ greatly from the US in substantive ways. Their college enrollment percentages, for example, are much lower than in America.

Europe also traditionally has higher taxes than the US, which allows those countries to offer additional social services.

How do European countries afford free college - Business Insider

So, let me get this straight, "free" means paid for by taxes? Then it ain't free.. God you libs are stupid.

 

[buckeye45_73]

As expected, some right wingers on this forum are ridiculing Sanders' call for free college tuition......Of course, the low intelligence of some right wingers is legendary and, as usual, they mistake the term "free" as just another socialistic "give-away."

First, right wingers should realize that throughout the civilized world, college tuition IS free (except for books and lodging expenses.) Haw can the rest of the world do this? Simple, first one has to determine if free tuition is an investment in the most precious resource a country has....and that is a better economic future through educating its youth.

Second, YES tuition would be paid through an increase in state taxation; after all, most universities are sitting on land grants and universities' charter clearly spell out that they exist for the be betterment of the community, along with the need for both teaching and research.

Third, (and this is something that conservatives SHOULD like if they exercised their brain cells a bit more); that is, tenure for professors may be soon a thing of the past.....part-time/adjunct faculty is on the rise, and THAT should drastically cut down on the very expensive staffing of colleges and universities. The cost of a tenured professor's teaching of 2 or 3 classes could translate to the hiring of 5 part-timers to teach about 15 or so classes.

Fourth, tuition could also be drastically reduced if universities get off their insane quest for college sports. Coaches in such institutions make an average of 3 times the salary of the institution's president or provost. This insanity causes tuitions to be raised for ALL other students to basically subsidize jocks and the athletic staff.

Finally, free tuition should be granted FIRST to students who major in fields that can readily benefit all of the taxed society....Need more doctors? Offer free tuition at medical schools; Need more information technology graduates? the same applies; Need more engineers? Same........

Free tuition must have the caveats of a student's high grades, discipline at matriculation, completion and commitment to pay back to the society that subsidized (and invested in) such free tuition.

So the government decides which majors are better than others, and then have tax payers pay for your college, how is that not socialism again?

And your digs on college sports show you don't know how that works at all. College sports programs are separate entities form the school in terms of funding. Football and donations as well as other awards are the buik of the funding. And many athletic programs give money to the academic side of the school, not the other way around. You really need to learn how these things work if you want to start making these topics. But a typical left wingers who goes on bullshit assumptions and no clue on how things really work.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yes, not everyone needs to go to college. In Germany, you get "free college" only if you pass a test (The Abitur) that gives you the right to attend universities, you have to PASS it.

Very true......But you still have some moronic right wingers who "think" that we are calling for free tuition for ALL, that there are NO requirements for such free tuition, and that such a plan ONLY benefits democrats since many right wingers only know that universities exist from watching college football.

Like a good little socialist, you are more than happy to force people to provide goods and services to others w/o compensation, creating a condition of state-enforced involuntary servitude.
Why do you like involuntary servitude?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Of course, you nitwit, THAT is already in place.....For example, doctors and nurses work off their debt by serving in the Indian Health Services.

Then your proposal is a farce, intended to create an entitlement. Precisely my point.

 

[martybegan]

Yes, not everyone needs to go to college. In Germany, you get "free college" only if you pass a test (The Abitur) that gives you the right to attend universities, you have to PASS it.

Very true......But you still have some moronic right wingers who "think" that we are calling for free tuition for ALL, that there are NO requirements for such free tuition, and that such a plan ONLY benefits democrats since many right wingers only know that universities exist from watching college football.

it will turn into free tuition for all, because the second you decide to only pay for certain people, the progressive hive mind will call it classist, racist, sexist, ableist, and ever other ist out there. Imagine telling current parents their little flower doesn't qualify for "free" college, there would be a shitstorm.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'm conservative and I see no problem with making college free ONLY if universities are FORCED to curb costs.

Under this, tuition fees will drop, just like health care premiums dropped under Obamacare. If a B.S. costs $80K today, expect the cost to drop to $120K or even $150K... Just as health care has dropped.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The idea of affordable college scares the hell out of those on the right, same with universal healthcare, public schools, food stamps, meals on wheels.. It's proven that helping to provide education to students benefits everyone, it's why germany/etc do this. Of course, when you live in a country where a moderate social democrat is labeled a radical communist, you know there's a problem.

So, you're going to make education affordable, just like you make health care affordable under Fascistcare?

 

[Uncensored2008]

College Algebra should be the cut off for every major except mathematics. There is no reason at all for any student to need to take calculus even if they are trying for a degree it accounting. Math is a subject that colleges abuse to make the most money.

I'm sorry you did poorly, but trigonometry is required for most design work. Higher math is needed for statistics, which permeates fields from marking to sociology.

You provide example of what I have been saying, if the idiotic schemes of Obama and Sanders were realized, by necessity the course work will be dumbed down. You can't hack higher math, so it will no longer be required, and those graduating will no longer be able to calculate a standard deviance with outliers, while the New York Times explains that our inability to compete with China is due to George W. Bush...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yes, not everyone needs to go to college. In Germany, you get "free college" only if you pass a test (The Abitur) that gives you the right to attend universities, you have to PASS it.

We could do that here as well, but we will have to apply affirmative action and give 35% credit for being black, 15% credit if you are female, 10% credit if you are gay, and an additional 20% if you are non-white.

 

[martybegan]

Yes, not everyone needs to go to college. In Germany, you get "free college" only if you pass a test (The Abitur) that gives you the right to attend universities, you have to PASS it.

We could do that here as well, but we will have to apply affirmative action and give 35% credit for being black, 15% credit if you are female, 10% credit if you are gay, and an additional 20% if you are non-white.

That would be the least of our worries. All those kids being given trophies for showing up, and ribbons for barely passing classes would implode when told they were not good enough for college, and their parents would riot.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The idea of affordable college scares the hell out of those on the right, same with universal healthcare, public schools, food stamps, meals on wheels.. It's proven that helping to provide education to students benefits everyone, it's why germany/etc do this. Of course, when you live in a country where a moderate social democrat is labeled a radical communist, you know there's a problem.

So, you're going to make education affordable, just like you make health care affordable under Fascistcare?

Look at the areas with the most inflation over the last 40 years, it's anywhere the government gets heavily involved.
Currently, education and healthcare.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That would be the least of our worries. All those kids being given trophies for showing up, and ribbons for barely passing classes would implode when told they were not good enough for college, and their parents would riot.

Exactly - which is why despite the bullshit Gnat posts, college would be universally offered. Then those wholly unqualified would begin to fail, which will be blamed on racism and cultural insensitivity, leading to the AA rules I posted, and leading back to my first post in this thread that should this stupidity come to pass, a college degree will be utterly worthless.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

College Algebra should be the cut off for every major except mathematics. There is no reason at all for any student to need to take calculus even if they are trying for a degree it accounting. Math is a subject that colleges abuse to make the most money.

I'm sorry you did poorly, but trigonometry is required for most design work. Higher math is needed for statistics, which permeates fields from marking to sociology.

You provide example of what I have been saying, if the idiotic schemes of Obama and Sanders were realized, by necessity the course work will be dumbed down. You can't hack higher math, so it will no longer be required, and those graduating will no longer be able to calculate a standard deviance with outliers, while the New York Times explains that our inability to compete with China is due to George W. Bush...

Well put.... all we'll end up with is a gazillion philosophy majors and other such useless idiots who can't tie their own shoes.

 

[nat4900]

So the government decides which majors are better than others, and then have tax payers pay for your college, how is that not socialism again?

And your digs on college sports show you don't know how that works at all. College sports programs are separate entities form the school in terms of funding. Football and donations as well as other awards are the buik of the funding. And many athletic programs give money to the academic side of the school, not the other way around. You really need to learn how these things work if you want to start making these topics. But a typical left wingers who goes on bullshit assumptions and no clue on how things really work.

No, nitwit....its NOT the government that decided which major...It is the much beloved marketplace based on various surveys that determine which projected employment sectors are hiring.

Second, all you know about college sports are what you've gathered from ESPN.

 

[martybegan]

That would be the least of our worries. All those kids being given trophies for showing up, and ribbons for barely passing classes would implode when told they were not good enough for college, and their parents would riot.

Exactly - which is why despite the bullshit Gnat posts, college would be universally offered. Then those wholly unqualified would begin to fail, which will be blamed on racism and cultural insensitivity, leading to the AA rules I posted, and leading back to my first post in this thread that should this stupidity come to pass, a college degree will be utterly worthless.

Certain Degrees already are. Decades ago a Liberal Arts degree meant you were a well rounded person, challenged intellectually by your professors, and versed in what made out society what it is. Today, like Communications majors, marketing majors, and X studies majors, it means "I couldn't make up my mind, so I took X".

 

[martybegan]

So the government decides which majors are better than others, and then have tax payers pay for your college, how is that not socialism again?

And your digs on college sports show you don't know how that works at all. College sports programs are separate entities form the school in terms of funding. Football and donations as well as other awards are the buik of the funding. And many athletic programs give money to the academic side of the school, not the other way around. You really need to learn how these things work if you want to start making these topics. But a typical left wingers who goes on bullshit assumptions and no clue on how things really work.

No, nitwit....its NOT the government that decided which major...It is the much beloved marketplace based on various surveys that determine which projected employment sectors are hiring.

Second, all you know about college sports are what you've gathered from ESPN.

So colleges limit the # of slots per major based on the current job prospects???