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tell us what you demand of fannie and freddiy? they owe us 187 billion dollars and they want more at the same time they want their ceo's to get millions in bonus money.. why don't you tell us about them?
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tell us what you demand of fannie and freddiy? they owe us 187 billion dollars and they want more at the same time they want their ceo's to get millions in bonus money.. why don't you tell us about them?
Now you know camping out on Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac would make to0 much sense for an Occupy whatever protester--.
They really do not want to go after Federal Government agencies or policies--because they want more government control--so they can get more government stuff--paid for by someone else. That's why we don't see them anywhere NEAR--ANYTHING that would have to do with the Federal Government--and that's also why the Occupy whatever protesters are NOT CREDIBLE.
Again, we would simply end Freddie and Fannie. Is that a clear, direct answer? See that's how responding to an issue is done. Thus far, the Conservatives have made 20 posts and not one has been capable of addressing any of the issues brought up in the OP. (Capitalism vs. Corporatacracy; Bailouts; Gramm-Leach-Bliley).
Maybe someday those who have done all the Usual Predictions as outlined below, will be like we Occupiers - and capable of responding directly to issues!
Haven't seen any evidence of that here but who knows? It could happen!
I don't waste time reading bullshit that starts with "I guess".... don't fucking 'guess', educate yourself and understand..
You might want to try educating your own self about the standard usages of the English language, which includes expressing uncertainty when uncertainty exists, as it MUST about the reasons why someone holds a particular opinion. Thus, one should properly say "I guess a lot of people here just believe what the MSM and Right Wing E-media tell them," rather than "A lot of people here just believe what the MSM and Right Wing E-media tell them." The first is a valid statement based on the poster's knowledge, the second is not.
Here is another valid statement based on the poster's knowledge: "To use a quirk of language usage as an excuse to dismiss an entire line of reasoning is a cheap shot and a sign that the person doing so is not to be taken seriously."
I guess a lot of people here just believe what the MSM and Right Wing E-media
tell them. This would be the only explanation for some of the posts I've seen.
So I thought I'd help! Here is a C&P from a great OWS site. It will give you
guys a better idea of why you should support us! Here ya go:
"1. We don't want to End Capitalism, We Want to End Corporatacracy.
First, let's make it clear, This is a political movement, not an economic
revolt. We want to end the control of our government by Multi-National
Corporations. This is Issue Number One for everyone I've spoken to in Occupy
Wall Street.
Not one Occupier I know of, wants to turn us into the former Soviet Union (although just like the TP, every movement has it's fringe and the MSM loves to find them). We
don't want to end the economic system which allows people to buy the goods of
their choice. But we do want to end a corrupt political system which allows
Multi-National Corporations to buy the politicians of their choice. So the
single most important theme is Taking control of our government away from
Corporations and putting it back into the hands of We the People.
2. We won't tolerate a government that rewards corporate incompetence, greed and
fraud. No More Bank Bailouts.
The banks bought our government and then, after they lined their pockets with
the wealth of our nation, they blackmailed the government into giving them even
MORE money "In order to keep the economy from collapsing". Right. Then, instead
of making or refinancing home loans, Bank of America, Chase, Wells Fargo and
others spent our money on business mergers & acquisitions to benefit the 1%. Oh,
and of course, they paid themselves million dollar bonuses with our money.
We want to set a deadline for payback of existing bailouts. Any company that has
not fully repaid all monies by the deadline, should be broken up so that they
are no longer "too big to fail".
3. We want the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed immediately.
For those of you unfamiliar with it: After the Great Depression, congress passed
the Glass-Steagal act to make sure that banks would never take stupid risks or
use corrupt practices to send the country into another Depression. Then 60 years
later, the banks and companies that bought and paid for Republican Senators Bill
Gramm, Jim Leach and Tom Bliley told them that Glass-Steagal was interfering
with their ability to swindle the American Public. Their masters told these
senators to pass a bill that would NOT ONLY allow them to gamble foolishly again
with American Tax-Payer money - they wanted complete control of our Financial
System by being able OWN both stock brokerages and Insurance Companies too.
Then, once their cohorts completed the creation of what's called a "FIRE
Economy" (an economy based on Finance, Insurance & Real Estate) in America, they
would control everything.
Of course the Senators bowed to their masters and Gramm-Leach-Bliley was passed
with a super-majority that was veto-proof. If it had not been passed, NOT ONE
BANK would have needed bailout money because they would have been prohibited
from investing in the Commercial Mortgage Backed Securities Market.
Some people say we should let "The Market" regulate itself. Are the Banksters
worthy of the trust that was given to them under this law? Here's an example:
Citibank is on trial right now.
While they were selling over $500 MILLION dollars worth of those
toxic mortgage securities to the 99% as a good investment, they were betting the
securities would fail by "Short-Selling" at the same time. In other words, while
they sold your parents these securities for their retirement, they made a bet
the securities would fail - and earned over $140M dollars by doing so. Citibank
is currently offering to pay back about half the money they defrauded out of
regular people as long as no one from the bank goes to jail or even loses their
job. Guess what? The government is going for it. Why? Because the 1% doesn't
have to pay for their crimes. We do. In this case, WE'RE paying their $285M fee
with the bailout money they were given. And people wonder why we're mad."
That's just a small part of the REAL message of OWS. it's a little bit different
than what the SpinDoctors of the MSM and Right Wing media talk about or allow
you to see, isn't it?
The Whole World is watching and listening to our message. Foreign stations give more accurate coverage than FOX - who still spews BS about wanting Socialism and anarchy.
Here is an example of the more accurate foreign coverage of our message:
Occupy Wall Street Exposes Enormous Corruption Between Government and Corporations - YouTube
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tell us what you demand of fannie and freddiy? they owe us 187 billion dollars and they want more at the same time they want their ceo's to get millions in bonus money.. why don't you tell us about them?
Now you know camping out on Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac would make to0 much sense for an Occupy whatever protester--.
They really do not want to go after Federal Government agencies or policies--because they want more government control--so they can get more government stuff--paid for by someone else. That's why we don't see them anywhere NEAR--ANYTHING that would have to do with the Federal Government--and that's also why the Occupy whatever protesters are NOT CREDIBLE.
Again, we would simply end Freddie and Fannie. Is that a clear, direct answer? See that's how responding to an issue is done. Thus far, the Conservatives have made 20 posts and not one has been capable of addressing any of the issues brought up in the OP. (Capitalism vs. Corporatacracy; Bailouts; Gramm-Leach-Bliley).
Maybe someday those who have done all the Usual Predictions as outlined below, will be like we Occupiers - and capable of responding directly to issues!
Haven't seen any evidence of that here but who knows? It could happen!
I actually DID respond to the issues brought up in the OP and you ignored my response...I assume because it asked you to defend some of the "other" demands of the OWS protesters. Is that how it works with you? You demand something...but then pretend it wasn't delivered?
You're too frightened to actually consider the merits of the OP.
You've labelled the OWS and you haven't got the nerve to reflect on your position.
But it doesn't have to be all debt, just a proportion.
Make the banks take a 'haircut' as they're calling it in Europe.
What it seems to me has happened to date is that the financial institutions have been saved from their poor high-risk decisions but their customers haven't.
Where are their bail-outs?
Credit worthiness would be determined by an agency comprising a number of governments.
S&P and the others missed the disaster we were all headed for didn't they?
You're too frightened to actually consider the merits of the OP.
What am I frightened of?
I see no merit in the OP because there is no merit.
You've labelled the OWS and you haven't got the nerve to reflect on your position.
My position? That isn't the question, the question is the position of the Shitters? The OP was smart enough to realize that the ONE position that they have staked out, their demand to end capitalism, is a loser.
What else? What are the positions that they hold? That 1% have too much money? Okay, what is their alternative? Well, end capitalism. What else? Government should dissolve everyone's mortgage? Well, I guess I should have been irresponsible and bought a $2 million home I couldn't afford. The Shitters think that those who are responsible and lived within their means should be severely punished. They want free tuition to earn that BA in puppetry.
Of course the bigger part are the usual suspects, SEIU demanding more, more, more for the pampered public employees, working to 45 before retiring with 95% salary for life is way too stressful, so they join the Shitters.
And of course, the illegal aliens, open borders demand the Shitters - yeah, that'll help the employment situation.
Quite the contrary. Your belittling is typical of the liberal argument...such as is perfectly described in your current signature here:I don't waste time reading bullshit that starts with "I guess".... don't fucking 'guess', educate yourself and understand. You make a mockery of your username... but we are used to that with certain other idiotic lying hacks who pretend that the truth matters.
Fucking idiot.
Ahh. You display as much class as ever. And the same level of intellect too! Well, you're amusing anyway.
Okay, here's something I don't have to guess about. You're willfully ignorant. You're a mindless brain-controlled drone who is such a coward, you can't ever acknowledge any view which contradicts those fed to that little brain of yours, by your Thought-Masters. You're weak and stupid and easily led - which is what The Machines - both Left & Right, count on when they look for sheeple to blindly follow them.
Oh, and yes you started reading the thread but stopped the moment you got to "We don't want to end capitlaism" because it went against what you have been programmed to believe.
There. I didn't guess. Feel better sweetie? Good!
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tell us what you demand of fannie and freddiy? they owe us 187 billion dollars and they want more at the same time they want their ceo's to get millions in bonus money.. why don't you tell us about them?
Now you know camping out on Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac would make to0 much sense for an Occupy whatever protester--.
They really do not want to go after Federal Government agencies or policies--because they want more government control--so they can get more government stuff--paid for by someone else. That's why we don't see them anywhere NEAR--ANYTHING that would have to do with the Federal Government--and that's also why the Occupy whatever protesters are NOT CREDIBLE.
Again, we would simply end Freddie and Fannie. Is that a clear, direct answer? See that's how responding to an issue is done. Thus far, the Conservatives have made 20 posts and not one has been capable of addressing any of the issues brought up in the OP. (Capitalism vs. Corporatacracy; Bailouts; Gramm-Leach-Bliley).
Maybe someday those who have done all the Usual Predictions as outlined below, will be like we Occupiers - and capable of responding directly to issues!
Haven't seen any evidence of that here but who knows? It could happen!
Again.. asswarp.. the banks have repaid their bailout money.. why aren't you going after fannie and freddie? 187 billion is a lot of money. innit?
Nice dodge. IDB is absolutely right about you. Like the self-admitted b1tch from the trailer park in Cali and all the other Conservatives thus far, you've dodged the issues discussed in the OP. What are you SO afraid of?
The issues discussed were
1. We don't want to end Captialism, we want to end the Corporatacracy.
2. We want no more bailouts and any bank that doesn't pay them back to be broken up so they are not "too big to fail" in the future.
3. We want to repeal Gramm-Leach-Bliley.
Those were the isses.
Two dozen posts by Conservatives and all of them had the 1984 mentality. Don't discuss the issues! Don't believe anything not told to you by the MSM and e-media! Run, dodge, change the subject, do anything until the Thought Masters tell you what to think!
Sad, really.
I guess a lot of people here just believe what the MSM and Right Wing E-media
tell them. This would be the only explanation for some of the posts I've seen.
So I thought I'd help! Here is a C&P from a great OWS site. It will give you
guys a better idea of why you should support us! Here ya go:
"1. We don't want to End Capitalism, We Want to End Corporatacracy.
First, let's make it clear, This is a political movement, not an economic
revolt. We want to end the control of our government by Multi-National
Corporations. This is Issue Number One for everyone I've spoken to in Occupy
Wall Street.
Not one Occupier I know of, wants to turn us into the former Soviet Union (although just like the TP, every movement has it's fringe and the MSM loves to find them). We
don't want to end the economic system which allows people to buy the goods of
their choice. But we do want to end a corrupt political system which allows
Multi-National Corporations to buy the politicians of their choice. So the
single most important theme is Taking control of our government away from
Corporations and putting it back into the hands of We the People.
2. We won't tolerate a government that rewards corporate incompetence, greed and
fraud. No More Bank Bailouts.
The banks bought our government and then, after they lined their pockets with
the wealth of our nation, they blackmailed the government into giving them even
MORE money "In order to keep the economy from collapsing". Right. Then, instead
of making or refinancing home loans, Bank of America, Chase, Wells Fargo and
others spent our money on business mergers & acquisitions to benefit the 1%. Oh,
and of course, they paid themselves million dollar bonuses with our money.
We want to set a deadline for payback of existing bailouts. Any company that has
not fully repaid all monies by the deadline, should be broken up so that they
are no longer "too big to fail".
3. We want the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed immediately.
For those of you unfamiliar with it: After the Great Depression, congress passed
the Glass-Steagal act to make sure that banks would never take stupid risks or
use corrupt practices to send the country into another Depression. Then 60 years
later, the banks and companies that bought and paid for Republican Senators Bill
Gramm, Jim Leach and Tom Bliley told them that Glass-Steagal was interfering
with their ability to swindle the American Public. Their masters told these
senators to pass a bill that would NOT ONLY allow them to gamble foolishly again
with American Tax-Payer money - they wanted complete control of our Financial
System by being able OWN both stock brokerages and Insurance Companies too.
Then, once their cohorts completed the creation of what's called a "FIRE
Economy" (an economy based on Finance, Insurance & Real Estate) in America, they
would control everything.
Of course the Senators bowed to their masters and Gramm-Leach-Bliley was passed
with a super-majority that was veto-proof. If it had not been passed, NOT ONE
BANK would have needed bailout money because they would have been prohibited
from investing in the Commercial Mortgage Backed Securities Market.
Some people say we should let "The Market" regulate itself. Are the Banksters
worthy of the trust that was given to them under this law? Here's an example:
Citibank is on trial right now.
While they were selling over $500 MILLION dollars worth of those
toxic mortgage securities to the 99% as a good investment, they were betting the
securities would fail by "Short-Selling" at the same time. In other words, while
they sold your parents these securities for their retirement, they made a bet
the securities would fail - and earned over $140M dollars by doing so. Citibank
is currently offering to pay back about half the money they defrauded out of
regular people as long as no one from the bank goes to jail or even loses their
job. Guess what? The government is going for it. Why? Because the 1% doesn't
have to pay for their crimes. We do. In this case, WE'RE paying their $285M fee
with the bailout money they were given. And people wonder why we're mad."
That's just a small part of the REAL message of OWS. it's a little bit different
than what the SpinDoctors of the MSM and Right Wing media talk about or allow
you to see, isn't it?
The Whole World is watching and listening to our message. Foreign stations give more accurate coverage than FOX - who still spews BS about wanting Socialism and anarchy.
Here is an example of the more accurate foreign coverage of our message:
Occupy Wall Street Exposes Enormous Corruption Between Government and Corporations - YouTube
Thanks for posting this. You're right the messages in the OP are rarely reported on.
I understand the anger directed at the "1%"/corp greed group. But why no mention of "union greed"? Do they not do the same as the "1%" . . . they scratch gov'ts back while gov'ts scratches theirs?
And while it's wrong for corps/unions to buy government . . . . I find it more appalling that government takes the bribe. Corporations/unions don't work for the people, the government does. So where's the anger at those who are suppose to be looking out for us? I'm not seeing that coming out of OWS . . . perhaps I missed it.
If it is rarely reported on why do I keep seeing it in the everywhere I look?
Quite the contrary. Your belittling is typical of the liberal argument...such as is perfectly described in your current signature here:I don't waste time reading bullshit that starts with "I guess".... don't fucking 'guess', educate yourself and understand. You make a mockery of your username... but we are used to that with certain other idiotic lying hacks who pretend that the truth matters.
Fucking idiot.
Ahh. You display as much class as ever. And the same level of intellect too! Well, you're amusing anyway.
Okay, here's something I don't have to guess about. You're willfully ignorant. You're a mindless brain-controlled drone who is such a coward, you can't ever acknowledge any view which contradicts those fed to that little brain of yours, by your Thought-Masters. You're weak and stupid and easily led - which is what The Machines - both Left & Right, count on when they look for sheeple to blindly follow them.
Oh, and yes you started reading the thread but stopped the moment you got to "We don't want to end capitlaism" because it went against what you have been programmed to believe.
There. I didn't guess. Feel better sweetie? Good!
The Usual Predictions About How Whackjobs Who Are Weak On Issues Reply:
Label Anyone Disagreeing, Dodge, Change Subject, Petty Insults, Ancient History, Moral Comparatives, Demand Answers While Ignoring Questions, Cut & Run.
Again, we would simply end Freddie and Fannie. Is that a clear, direct answer? See that's how responding to an issue is done. Thus far, the Conservatives have made 20 posts and not one has been capable of addressing any of the issues brought up in the OP. (Capitalism vs. Corporatacracy; Bailouts; Gramm-Leach-Bliley).
Maybe someday those who have done all the Usual Predictions as outlined below, will be like we Occupiers - and capable of responding directly to issues!
Haven't seen any evidence of that here but who knows? It could happen!
Again.. asswarp.. the banks have repaid their bailout money.. why aren't you going after fannie and freddie? 187 billion is a lot of money. innit?
So let's see. I directly answered your question regarding an issue (We would end F&F). That's called strength.
You dodged the question again and basically did as is predictible per my signature below.
That's called weakness.
I'll be impressed when a Conservative actually discusses issues instead of all the tactics from the Handbook listed in my signature below. Not holding my breath though...
