Fire in Alberta

[Old Rocks]

By RACHEL LA CORTE and ROB GILLIES
Associated Press

LAC LA BICHE, Alberta (AP) - Canadian officials hoped to complete the mass evacuation of work camps north of Alberta's main oil sands city of Fort McMurray on Saturday, fearing a growing wildfire could double in size and reach a major oil sands mine and even the neighboring province of Saskatchewan.

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• Wildfire evacuees glimpse burned out city on way south
  
  By RACHEL LA CORTE and ROB GILLIES
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  EDMONTON, Alberta (AP) - Displaced residents at oil field camps north of Fort McMurray, Alberta got a sobering drive-by view of their burned out city Friday in a convoy that moved evacuees south amid a massive wildfire that officials fear could double in size by the end of Saturday.
  
  As police and military oversaw the procession of hundreds of vehicles, a mass airlift of evacuees also resumed. A day after 8,000 people were flown out, authorities said 5,500 more were expected to be evacuated by the end of Friday and another 4,000 on Saturday.
  
  More than 80,000 people have left Fort McMurray in the heart of Canada' oil sands, where the fire has torched 1,600 homes and other buildings. The mass evacuation forced as much as a quarter of Canada's oil output offline according to estimates and is expected to impact a country already hurt by a dramatic fall in the price of oil.
  
  About 1,200 vehicles had passed through Fort McMurray by late Friday afternoon despite a one-hour interruption due to heavy smoke, authorities said.
  
  Jim Dunstan was in the convoy with his wife, Tracy, and two young sons. "It was shocking to see the damaged cars all burned on the side of the road. It made you feel lucky to get out of there," he said.
  
  In Edmonton, between 4,500 and 5,000 evacuees arrived at the airport on at least 45 flights Friday, airport spokesman Chris Chodan said. In total, more than 300 flights have arrived with evacuees since Tuesday, he said.
  
  A group that arrived late Friday afternoon was greeted by volunteers who handed out bottled water and helped direct people where to go next.
  
  Among them was 32-year-old Chad Robertson, a fuel truck driver who was evacuated from Husky Energy's Sunrise project, northeast of Fort McMurray. He said that when the fire started, even though the flames were relatively far away, "everyone started panicking."
  
  Robertson said he had plans to go to a friend's house in Edmonton before heading home to Nova Scotia.
  
  Scott Burrell, 42, from Kelowna, British Columbia, was waiting with others in an airport terminal that had been repurposed for evacuees who were resting and waiting for flights. He said he was working for a scaffolding company at a plant called Fort Hills when the fire broke out Tuesday.
  
  "We were working overtime and I just saw what looked like a massive cloud in the sky, but I knew it was fire," he said. "The very next day was my day to go home. Ends up we weren't going home that day."
  
  Burrell and others were evacuated by plane Friday, after spending three days with families who arrived at the work camp because they were evacuated from their towns. He said he and other workers rationed their food to help the families who were coming in, and some offered up their living spaces for them.
  
  Burrell planned to catch a flight back to British Columbia.
  
  The Alberta provincial government, which declared a state of emergency, said Friday the size of the blaze had grown to more than 101,000 hectares (249,571 acres). No deaths or injuries were reported.
  
  The government said 1,100 firefighters, 110 helicopters, 295 pieces of heavy equipment and more than 27 air tankers were fighting the blaze. But Chad Morrison, Alberta's manager of wildfire prevention, said the fire covers 101,000 hectares (249,571 acres) and "there is a high potential that the fire could double in size by the end of tomorrow."
  
  Morrison said no amount of resources would put this fire out. They need rain.
  
  "We have not seen rain in this area for the last two months of significance," Morrison said. "This fire will continue to burn for a very long time until we see some significant rain."
  
  Environment Canada forecast a 40 percent chance of showers in the area on Sunday.
  
  Morrison said he expected the fire to expand into a more remote forested area northeast and away from Fort McMurray but said extremely dry conditions and a hot temperature of 27 Celsius (81 Fahrenheit) was expected Saturday along with strong winds. He said cooler conditions were expected Sunday and Monday.
  
  About 25,000 evacuees moved north in the hours after Tuesday's mandatory evacuation, where oil sands work camps that usually house employees were used to house evacuees. But the bulk of the more than 80,000 evacuees fled south to Edmonton and elsewhere, and officials are moving everyone south where it is safer and they can get better support services. The convoy was stopped for an hour.
  
  The Alberta government is providing cash to 80,000 evacuees from the Fort McMurray fire to help them with their immediate needs. Premier Rachel Notley said her cabinet has approved a payment of $1,250 Canadian (US$967) per adult and $500 Canadian (US$387) per dependent at a cost to the province of $100 million Canadian (US$77 million). She told a briefing in Edmonton that she wants people who were forced from their homes to know that the government "has their back."
  
  Police were escorting 50 vehicles at a time, south through the city itself on Highway 63 at a distance of about 20 kilometers (12.4 miles) south and then releasing the convoy. At that point another convoy of 50 cars begins.
  
  All intersections along the convoy route have been blocked off and evacuees are not being allowed back to check on their homes in Fort McMurray. The city is surrounded by wilderness, and there are essentially only two ways out via road.
  
  Fanned by high winds, scorching heat and low humidity, the fire grew from 75 square kilometers (29 square miles) Tuesday to 100 square kilometers (39 square miles) on Wednesday, but by Thursday it was almost nine times that - at 850 square kilometers (330 square miles). That's an area roughly the size of Calgary, Alberta's largest city.
  
  The fire was so large that smoke from the fair is blanketing parts of the neighboring province of Saskatchewan where Environment Canada has issued special air quality statements for several areas.
  
  Morrison, the wildfire prevention manager, said the cause of the fire hasn't been determined, but that it started in a remote forested area and could have been ignited by lightning.
  
  The region has the third-largest reserves of oil in the world behind Saudi Arabia and Venezuela.
  
  Greg Pardy, an analyst with RBC Capital Markets, said that as much as 1 million barrels a day of oil may be offline, based on oil company announcements. That's just over a third of Canada's total oil sands output, Pardy noted.
  
  Gillies reported from Toronto.
  
  Associated Press writer Charmaine Noronha in Toronto contributed.
  
  Copyright 2016 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
  
  
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The Alberta government said the massive blaze in the province will cover more than 200,000 hectares (494,211 acres) by Sunday and will continue to grow because of high temperatures, dry conditions and high winds. Chad Morrison of Alberta Wildfire expects to be fighting the fire in the forested areas for months.

Officials hope to complete Alberta wildfire evacuation

And there are at least 39 other fires going in the province of Alberta. Predictions are for another hot dry summer in Washington, Oregon, and California this summer. Another of the predictions of the scientists that have been trying to warn us of the effects of global warming is coming true.

 

[flacaltenn]

Here you go again.. What is the PROOF that this wildfire was caused by a 0.5degC change in average global temperature during your lifetime?? And why The Fuck do you INSIST on going there everytime some natural disaster occurs? Are you really that primitive in your perception of cause and effect?

 

[skookerasbil]

This is why wildfires are actually helpful for the environment


Linking wildfires to global warming = part of the AGW alarmist playbook......has been since the early 90's!!


Wildfires have been happening for billions of years on this planet. They are quite necessary!!

 

[skookerasbil]

Here you go again.. What is the PROOF that this wildfire was caused by a 0.5degC change in average global temperature during your lifetime?? And why The Fuck do you INSIST on going there everytime some natural disaster occurs? Are you really that primitive in your perception of cause and effect?

Flacal...........the other day, I heard somebody on video refer to global warming alarmists as "emotional hemophiliacs". I roared with laughter........a description that is so spot-on. Their heads explode if they see a couple of millimeter rise in the ocean over a period of a few years. Some people are just wired this way......famously portrayed in the supermarket filling up two shopping carts as a 6" snowstorm approaches. Or throwing themselves on the casket at a wake. We cant help these people...........

 

[Billy_Bob]

“The boreal forest is a fire-dependant ecosystem. The spruce trees, pine trees, they like to burn,” Bernie Schmitte, forestry manager in Fort McMurray, explained.

“They have to burn to regenerate themselves, and those species have adapted themselves to fire. Their cones have adapted so they open up after the fire has left, and the trees have adapted in that once they’re old and need to be replaced, they’re available to fire so they burn.”

Dam! its a natural event and even the fire/forestry manager recognizes this... The area burns every 60-100 years NATURALLY to restore the ecosystem, kill parasites, and clear out the ground fuels... Man has stopped small fires for decades allowing ground fuels to build up, now they have a mega fire due to mismanagement..

Yes it was man made........ its called STUPIDITY!

Source

 

[jon_berzerk]

yesterday

you could see the haze and smell smoke

all the way down here in south Dakota

 

[Billy_Bob]

The US learned this lesson in the 1980-90's when the Yellowstone area burned. Today, they allow the lightening caused fires to burn, they clear out areas near cities and buildings and keep them clean of ground fuels. They allow cutting of old dead trees for local who use fire wood for warmth..

But liberals like Old fraud cant see how the forest works through the trees..They think it has always remained static and like it is today..

Except California... those idiots continue the liberal stupidity..

 

[Billy_Bob]

By RACHEL LA CORTE and ROB GILLIES
Associated Press

LAC LA BICHE, Alberta (AP) - Canadian officials hoped to complete the mass evacuation of work camps north of Alberta's main oil sands city of Fort McMurray on Saturday, fearing a growing wildfire could double in size and reach a major oil sands mine and even the neighboring province of Saskatchewan.

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• Wildfire evacuees glimpse burned out city on way south
  
  By RACHEL LA CORTE and ROB GILLIES
  Associated Presss
  EDMONTON, Alberta (AP) - Displaced residents at oil field camps north of Fort McMurray, Alberta got a sobering drive-by view of their burned out city Friday in a convoy that moved evacuees south amid a massive wildfire that officials fear could double in size by the end of Saturday.
  
  As police and military oversaw the procession of hundreds of vehicles, a mass airlift of evacuees also resumed. A day after 8,000 people were flown out, authorities said 5,500 more were expected to be evacuated by the end of Friday and another 4,000 on Saturday.
  
  More than 80,000 people have left Fort McMurray in the heart of Canada' oil sands, where the fire has torched 1,600 homes and other buildings. The mass evacuation forced as much as a quarter of Canada's oil output offline according to estimates and is expected to impact a country already hurt by a dramatic fall in the price of oil.
  
  About 1,200 vehicles had passed through Fort McMurray by late Friday afternoon despite a one-hour interruption due to heavy smoke, authorities said.
  
  Jim Dunstan was in the convoy with his wife, Tracy, and two young sons. "It was shocking to see the damaged cars all burned on the side of the road. It made you feel lucky to get out of there," he said.
  
  In Edmonton, between 4,500 and 5,000 evacuees arrived at the airport on at least 45 flights Friday, airport spokesman Chris Chodan said. In total, more than 300 flights have arrived with evacuees since Tuesday, he said.
  
  A group that arrived late Friday afternoon was greeted by volunteers who handed out bottled water and helped direct people where to go next.
  
  Among them was 32-year-old Chad Robertson, a fuel truck driver who was evacuated from Husky Energy's Sunrise project, northeast of Fort McMurray. He said that when the fire started, even though the flames were relatively far away, "everyone started panicking."
  
  Robertson said he had plans to go to a friend's house in Edmonton before heading home to Nova Scotia.
  
  Scott Burrell, 42, from Kelowna, British Columbia, was waiting with others in an airport terminal that had been repurposed for evacuees who were resting and waiting for flights. He said he was working for a scaffolding company at a plant called Fort Hills when the fire broke out Tuesday.
  
  "We were working overtime and I just saw what looked like a massive cloud in the sky, but I knew it was fire," he said. "The very next day was my day to go home. Ends up we weren't going home that day."
  
  Burrell and others were evacuated by plane Friday, after spending three days with families who arrived at the work camp because they were evacuated from their towns. He said he and other workers rationed their food to help the families who were coming in, and some offered up their living spaces for them.
  
  Burrell planned to catch a flight back to British Columbia.
  
  The Alberta provincial government, which declared a state of emergency, said Friday the size of the blaze had grown to more than 101,000 hectares (249,571 acres). No deaths or injuries were reported.
  
  The government said 1,100 firefighters, 110 helicopters, 295 pieces of heavy equipment and more than 27 air tankers were fighting the blaze. But Chad Morrison, Alberta's manager of wildfire prevention, said the fire covers 101,000 hectares (249,571 acres) and "there is a high potential that the fire could double in size by the end of tomorrow."
  
  Morrison said no amount of resources would put this fire out. They need rain.
  
  "We have not seen rain in this area for the last two months of significance," Morrison said. "This fire will continue to burn for a very long time until we see some significant rain."
  
  Environment Canada forecast a 40 percent chance of showers in the area on Sunday.
  
  Morrison said he expected the fire to expand into a more remote forested area northeast and away from Fort McMurray but said extremely dry conditions and a hot temperature of 27 Celsius (81 Fahrenheit) was expected Saturday along with strong winds. He said cooler conditions were expected Sunday and Monday.
  
  About 25,000 evacuees moved north in the hours after Tuesday's mandatory evacuation, where oil sands work camps that usually house employees were used to house evacuees. But the bulk of the more than 80,000 evacuees fled south to Edmonton and elsewhere, and officials are moving everyone south where it is safer and they can get better support services. The convoy was stopped for an hour.
  
  The Alberta government is providing cash to 80,000 evacuees from the Fort McMurray fire to help them with their immediate needs. Premier Rachel Notley said her cabinet has approved a payment of $1,250 Canadian (US$967) per adult and $500 Canadian (US$387) per dependent at a cost to the province of $100 million Canadian (US$77 million). She told a briefing in Edmonton that she wants people who were forced from their homes to know that the government "has their back."
  
  Police were escorting 50 vehicles at a time, south through the city itself on Highway 63 at a distance of about 20 kilometers (12.4 miles) south and then releasing the convoy. At that point another convoy of 50 cars begins.
  
  All intersections along the convoy route have been blocked off and evacuees are not being allowed back to check on their homes in Fort McMurray. The city is surrounded by wilderness, and there are essentially only two ways out via road.
  
  Fanned by high winds, scorching heat and low humidity, the fire grew from 75 square kilometers (29 square miles) Tuesday to 100 square kilometers (39 square miles) on Wednesday, but by Thursday it was almost nine times that - at 850 square kilometers (330 square miles). That's an area roughly the size of Calgary, Alberta's largest city.
  
  The fire was so large that smoke from the fair is blanketing parts of the neighboring province of Saskatchewan where Environment Canada has issued special air quality statements for several areas.
  
  Morrison, the wildfire prevention manager, said the cause of the fire hasn't been determined, but that it started in a remote forested area and could have been ignited by lightning.
  
  The region has the third-largest reserves of oil in the world behind Saudi Arabia and Venezuela.
  
  Greg Pardy, an analyst with RBC Capital Markets, said that as much as 1 million barrels a day of oil may be offline, based on oil company announcements. That's just over a third of Canada's total oil sands output, Pardy noted.
  
  Gillies reported from Toronto.
  
  Associated Press writer Charmaine Noronha in Toronto contributed.
  
  Copyright 2016 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
  
  
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• Slideshow: Canadian town evacuated after wildfire
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  An entire city in Canada has been forced to evacuate as a massive wildfire rages. Check out the images from the blaze.
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The Alberta government said the massive blaze in the province will cover more than 200,000 hectares (494,211 acres) by Sunday and will continue to grow because of high temperatures, dry conditions and high winds. Chad Morrison of Alberta Wildfire expects to be fighting the fire in the forested areas for months.

Officials hope to complete Alberta wildfire evacuation

And there are at least 39 other fires going in the province of Alberta. Predictions are for another hot dry summer in Washington, Oregon, and California this summer. Another of the predictions of the scientists that have been trying to warn us of the effects of global warming is coming true.

Lots of propaganda there Old Fraud.. Where is your causal link? Your scientific evidence?

 

[mamooth]

Meanwhile, back in reality, the "extinguish all fires" policy was ended in the USA in 1974.

And it was the environmentalists -- that is, the liberals -- who ended it.

The lesson? Billy is clueless.

The whole "it's the fuel load!" theory is more anti-reality nonsense from the right. A forest that hasn't burned in two hundred years is no more likely to burn than a forest that hasn't burned in twenty years. But the right trots out that fairy tale regularly, so they can fake a story that some mysterious and supposedly liberal fire policy which hasn't existed for 40 years is to blame.

What does cause fires? Being really freakin' hot and dry. Go fig.

 

[skookerasbil]

Bottom line is.......the AGW k00ks have been blabbering about these fires for years and years and have captured the attention of about 17 people.

They do the arctic ice melt ftl. They do the sea level rise ftl. They do the forest fire thing ftl. They do the glacier thing ftl.

Know what they call people who do the same thing over and over and expect a different result?


None of the bomb throwing shit is mattering in the real world.......and that makes me happy as shit!!

 

[Billy_Bob]

Meanwhile, back in reality, the "extinguish all fires" policy was ended in the USA in 1974.

And it was the environmentalists -- that is, the liberals -- who ended it.

The lesson? Billy is clueless.

The whole "it's the fuel load!" theory is more anti-reality nonsense from the right. A forest that hasn't burned in two hundred years is no more likely to burn than a forest that hasn't burned in twenty years. But the right trots out that fairy tale regularly, so they can fake a story that some mysterious and supposedly liberal fire policy which hasn't existed for 40 years is to blame.

What does cause fires? Being really freakin' hot and dry. Go fig.

Show me your data moron.. It wasn't until the late 80's that the policy was stopped.. I live here! You dont have a dam clue and you spew your master's talking points of pure bull shit..

Cyclical, Natural variation of weather patterns (wet and dry cycles).. And then we have fire suppression and not allowing the floor fuels to burn off every few years as we go through natural wet and dry cycles.. HUMAN STUPIDITY.. Same thing applies up there in Canada but he haven't stopped the forestry mismanagement..

Maybe they too will get the message.... But then again we got idiots like you who think you can control the earths climate variations by controlling CO2 that doesn't control anything..

The Lesson, Snageltooth is a liar and a fraud..

 

[Billy_Bob]

Bottom line is.......the AGW k00ks have been blabbering about these fires for years and years and have captured the attention of about 17 people.

They do the arctic ice melt ftl. They do the sea level rise ftl. They do the forest fire thing ftl. They do the glacier thing ftl.

Know what they call people who do the same thing over and over and expect a different result?


None of the bomb throwing shit is mattering in the real world.......and that makes me happy as shit!!

Each time they are shown frauds and liars they change their meme to the next catastrophic lie requiring the same killing off of Hydro Carbon use and heavy taxation..

The lies are new but the solution is always the same...

 

[elektra]

What does cause fires? Being really freakin' hot and dry. Go fig.

Wow! Science, tell us more, Moot.

Yet, it was not really "freakin", hot, up in Canada?

 

[skookerasbil]

Notice on a lot of this AGW stuff, the climate crusaders never give you a broad landscape view of the history.......because their shit falls apart if they did.

Like almost everything you debate with a progressive..........cant stand up to the question, "As compared to what?" or "At what cost?"

I embarrass these people every day in here by doing just that.....putting their arguments into a broader context = public humiliation for these people. Particularly on renewable energy.......you compare any of their shit on renewable energy and they get decimated.

 

[saveliberty]

yesterday

you could see the haze and smell smoke

all the way down here in south Dakota

Not to worry, if it hits Nebraska the cow smell will stop it.

 

[Old Rocks]

Bottom line is.......the AGW k00ks have been blabbering about these fires for years and years and have captured the attention of about 17 people.

They do the arctic ice melt ftl. They do the sea level rise ftl. They do the forest fire thing ftl. They do the glacier thing ftl.

Know what they call people who do the same thing over and over and expect a different result?


None of the bomb throwing shit is mattering in the real world.......and that makes me happy as shit!!

Well now, it looks to have captured the complete attention of about 88,000 people last week. In the real world, the Pacific Northwest and California may be setting up for another fire summer like last summer.

Last year, we nearly lost several small towns in eastern Oregon and Central Washington. There was little attempt to save the forests, mainly just to save towns, farms, and ranches. Wenatchee, Wash. was one of those towns.

Wenatchee, Washington Fire, 2015 - Yahoo Search Results Yahoo Image Search Results

 

[Old Rocks]

Meanwhile, back in reality, the "extinguish all fires" policy was ended in the USA in 1974.

And it was the environmentalists -- that is, the liberals -- who ended it.

The lesson? Billy is clueless.

The whole "it's the fuel load!" theory is more anti-reality nonsense from the right. A forest that hasn't burned in two hundred years is no more likely to burn than a forest that hasn't burned in twenty years. But the right trots out that fairy tale regularly, so they can fake a story that some mysterious and supposedly liberal fire policy which hasn't existed for 40 years is to blame.

What does cause fires? Being really freakin' hot and dry. Go fig.

Show me your data moron.. It wasn't until the late 80's that the policy was stopped.. I live here! You dont have a dam clue and you spew your master's talking points of pure bull shit..

Cyclical, Natural variation of weather patterns (wet and dry cycles).. And then we have fire suppression and not allowing the floor fuels to burn off every few years as we go through natural wet and dry cycles.. HUMAN STUPIDITY.. Same thing applies up there in Canada but he haven't stopped the forestry mismanagement..

Maybe they too will get the message.... But then again we got idiots like you who think you can control the earths climate variations by controlling CO2 that doesn't control anything..

The Lesson, Snageltooth is a liar and a fraud..

Link, lying little Silly Billy? Your lies in the past render anything you state as having zero credibility.

 

[elektra]

Link, lying little Silly Billy? Your lies in the past render anything you state as having zero credibility.

Those who cry "liar", loudest, are liars. Crock, I see you backed off on lying about the Tesla being Made in the USA.

 

[Old Rocks]

OK, Elektra, technically the present Tesla is 55% made in the USA because the individual batteries are made in Japan. But they are assembled, over 7000 of them, into the battery packs here in the USA. Now by the end of this year, Tesla will be using batteries from the new factory in Reno, Nevada. And that will make the Tesla 90% made in the USA. That will be the highest of any automobile or truck sold in the US. And the Tesla is selling more luxury cars in the US than any other automobile company.

 

[elektra]

OK, Elektra, technically the present Tesla is 55% made in the USA because the individual batteries are made in Japan. But they are assembled, over 7000 of them, into the battery packs here in the USA. Now by the end of this year, Tesla will be using batteries from the new factory in Reno, Nevada. And that will make the Tesla 90% made in the USA. That will be the highest of any automobile or truck sold in the US. And the Tesla is selling more luxury cars in the US than any other automobile company.

The Battery is 35% of the cost of a Tesla? I doubt very much that is true, especially without a link Old Crock.

Crock, your rules state if you do not link, you are a filthy liar.

Further, you lied in your other posts and now you are walking backwards trying to save your pathetic self.

So follow your rules, link, link, and link, or be a filthy liar.