Feds to execute woman who killed victim, cut baby from womb

[daveman]

What's the problem?

One problem is that she is mentally ill

Lisa Montgomery: US Sets Date for First Federal Execution of a Woman in 7 Decades

Montgomery will be the ninth person to be put to death since July, when the Justice Department resumed executions after a gap of almost two decades

www.ibtimes.sg

Even now, Montgomery's attorney, Kelley Henry, argues that she deserves to live because she is mentally ill and suffered childhood abuse. But that is not going to won't help much as the date of her execution has been set. "Lisa Montgomery has long accepted full responsibility for her crime, and she will never leave prison," Henry said. "But her severe mental illness and the devastating impacts of her childhood trauma make executing her a profound injustice."

Another problem is that it is a barbaric practice that serves no purpose except to satisfy a lust for revenge and to allow officials to show that they are tough on crime.

Odd how her mental illness is just now being revealed, isn't it?

But obviously she's not so mentally ill she was unable to take responsibility for her barbaric crime.

 

[daveman]

I wish that capital punishment were used for robbers, sucker punchers, looters, rapists, and murderers.

Betcha the violent crime rate would go down real fast!

Probobly not. Criminals either don't think that they will get caught, or have little regard for their own lives and may even be tacitly suicidal.

On the other hand, it might be a deterrent for some if we had public quarterings or beheadings with limited appeals. But then we we be emulating China, N. Korea and Saudi Arabia. Are you willing to go that far?

Perhaps a better approach would be to address the underlying issues that breed crime by better funding for things like education, drug treatment, and mental health. Maybe solving the problems of income and wealth disparity, de-facto segregation and racism might help. Oh, but that sounds like socialism. Never mind. Just fucking kill them

We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.

-- Ronald Reagan

And leftists wonder why they're seen as soft on crime.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

What's the problem?

One problem is that she is mentally ill

Lisa Montgomery: US Sets Date for First Federal Execution of a Woman in 7 Decades

Montgomery will be the ninth person to be put to death since July, when the Justice Department resumed executions after a gap of almost two decades

www.ibtimes.sg

Even now, Montgomery's attorney, Kelley Henry, argues that she deserves to live because she is mentally ill and suffered childhood abuse. But that is not going to won't help much as the date of her execution has been set. "Lisa Montgomery has long accepted full responsibility for her crime, and she will never leave prison," Henry said. "But her severe mental illness and the devastating impacts of her childhood trauma make executing her a profound injustice."

Another problem is that it is a barbaric practice that serves no purpose except to satisfy a lust for revenge and to allow officials to show that they are tough on crime.

Odd how her mental illness is just now being revealed, isn't it?

But obviously she's not so mentally ill she was unable to take responsibility for her barbaric crime.

It is not just being revealed now. It was ignored or minimized at trial. Yes she takes responsibility. That does not mean that she was in control of herself at the time of the crime. Clearly you do not understand much about mental illness

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I wish that capital punishment were used for robbers, sucker punchers, looters, rapists, and murderers.

Betcha the violent crime rate would go down real fast!

Probobly not. Criminals either don't think that they will get caught, or have little regard for their own lives and may even be tacitly suicidal.

On the other hand, it might be a deterrent for some if we had public quarterings or beheadings with limited appeals. But then we we be emulating China, N. Korea and Saudi Arabia. Are you willing to go that far?

Perhaps a better approach would be to address the underlying issues that breed crime by better funding for things like education, drug treatment, and mental health. Maybe solving the problems of income and wealth disparity, de-facto segregation and racism might help. Oh, but that sounds like socialism. Never mind. Just fucking kill them

We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.

-- Ronald Reagan

And leftists wonder why they're seen as soft on crime.

That horsesit in no way addresses the points that I raised. We as a society have an obligation to create conditions that give everyone a reasonable chance to succeed and be self sufficient rather than descend into despair and hopelessness that breeds crime .

 

[daveman]

What's the problem?

One problem is that she is mentally ill

Lisa Montgomery: US Sets Date for First Federal Execution of a Woman in 7 Decades

Montgomery will be the ninth person to be put to death since July, when the Justice Department resumed executions after a gap of almost two decades

www.ibtimes.sg

Even now, Montgomery's attorney, Kelley Henry, argues that she deserves to live because she is mentally ill and suffered childhood abuse. But that is not going to won't help much as the date of her execution has been set. "Lisa Montgomery has long accepted full responsibility for her crime, and she will never leave prison," Henry said. "But her severe mental illness and the devastating impacts of her childhood trauma make executing her a profound injustice."

Another problem is that it is a barbaric practice that serves no purpose except to satisfy a lust for revenge and to allow officials to show that they are tough on crime.

Odd how her mental illness is just now being revealed, isn't it?

But obviously she's not so mentally ill she was unable to take responsibility for her barbaric crime.

It is not just being revealed now. It was ignored or minimized at trial. Yes she takes responsibility. That does not mean that she was in control of herself at the time of the crime. Clearly you do not understand much about mental illness

It sounds like her original defense attorney was incompetent.

Nevertheless, she committed the crime in 2004. A jury of her peers looked at the evidence provided and declared her guilty. Since then, there have been no telling how many appeals wherein she had opportunity to make her case.

You don't have to like the result.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I wish that capital punishment were used for robbers, sucker punchers, looters, rapists, and murderers.

Betcha the violent crime rate would go down real fast!

Probobly not. Criminals either don't think that they will get caught, or have little regard for their own lives and may even be tacitly suicidal.

On the other hand, it might be a deterrent for some if we had public quarterings or beheadings with limited appeals. But then we we be emulating China, N. Korea and Saudi Arabia. Are you willing to go that far?

Perhaps a better approach would be to address the underlying issues that breed crime by better funding for things like education, drug treatment, and mental health. Maybe solving the problems of income and wealth disparity, de-facto segregation and racism might help. Oh, but that sounds like socialism. Never mind. Just fucking kill them

We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.

-- Ronald Reagan

And leftists wonder why they're seen as soft on crime.

You are assigning a viewpoint to me that I did not argue, so it is a Straw man logical fallacy

It is also a non sequitur fallacy because your premise- that liberals are soft on crime- supports your conclusion that she should be executed. In reverse, my position that she should not be executed does not support a concussion that we ren soft on crime. A double non sequitur

 

[daveman]

I wish that capital punishment were used for robbers, sucker punchers, looters, rapists, and murderers.

Betcha the violent crime rate would go down real fast!

Probobly not. Criminals either don't think that they will get caught, or have little regard for their own lives and may even be tacitly suicidal.

On the other hand, it might be a deterrent for some if we had public quarterings or beheadings with limited appeals. But then we we be emulating China, N. Korea and Saudi Arabia. Are you willing to go that far?

Perhaps a better approach would be to address the underlying issues that breed crime by better funding for things like education, drug treatment, and mental health. Maybe solving the problems of income and wealth disparity, de-facto segregation and racism might help. Oh, but that sounds like socialism. Never mind. Just fucking kill them

We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.

-- Ronald Reagan

And leftists wonder why they're seen as soft on crime.

That horsesit in no way addresses the points that I raised. We as a society have an obligation to create conditions that give everyone a reasonable chance to succeed and be self sufficient rather than descend into despair and hopelessness that breeds crime .

It perfectly addresses the points you raised. You want to blame society instead of criminals. You're STILL doing it.

What have you done this week to halt some poor unfortunate's inevitable decline into crime?

Or are you content to complain about it on the internet? Oh, yes..."raising awareness" is a lot easier than actually doing something, and you get to feel all smug and superior without it costing you a dime or getting your ass off the couch.

Meanwhile, millions of poor people somehow manage to get by without committing crimes.

Perhaps it's not as inevitable as you want to believe.

 

[daveman]

I wish that capital punishment were used for robbers, sucker punchers, looters, rapists, and murderers.

Betcha the violent crime rate would go down real fast!

Probobly not. Criminals either don't think that they will get caught, or have little regard for their own lives and may even be tacitly suicidal.

On the other hand, it might be a deterrent for some if we had public quarterings or beheadings with limited appeals. But then we we be emulating China, N. Korea and Saudi Arabia. Are you willing to go that far?

Perhaps a better approach would be to address the underlying issues that breed crime by better funding for things like education, drug treatment, and mental health. Maybe solving the problems of income and wealth disparity, de-facto segregation and racism might help. Oh, but that sounds like socialism. Never mind. Just fucking kill them

We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.

-- Ronald Reagan

And leftists wonder why they're seen as soft on crime.

You are assigning a viewpoint to me that I did not argue, so it is a Straw man logical fallacy

It is also a non sequitur fallacy because your premise- that liberals are soft on crime- supports your conclusion that she should be executed. In reverse, my position that she should not be executed does not support a concussion that we ren soft on crime. A double non sequitur

I'm sure that makes you feel better, but you are indeed blaming society.

 

[Disir]

What's the problem?

Why?

Because she wantonly deprived a woman of her life, and stole the child who will never know her mother. I am generally not in favor of the death penalty either, but in certain cases, such as this one, it is warranted.

It's not until her appeals hearing that it they discuss her mental illness.

What's wrong with putting crazy people to death? If they're crazy enough to murder someone, they deserve the death penalty.

You can execute the crazy in this country. There is nothing stopping you. That said, you can have a diagnosis of schizoaffective disorder, butcher your family and not be competent enough to stand trial. You are released back into society. You live on the streets until you harm someone else.

I have a problem that the only time these people have mental health treatment is after they are arrested. Since we live in a society where mental health treatment is not a priority then it's to be expected. There is a refusal to pay for alternatives.

 

[Missourian]

We shouldn't have a death penalty IMO.

If we could execute the person who committed the crime say a week after the trial...that would be one thing.

But this crime occurred 16 years ago.

Are you the same person you were 16 years ago? How much have you changed?

I've no problem with a person paying for they're crime for the rest of their life...but executing a person 16 years later...no...that's not justice IMO.

That's just the way I see it.

 

[Turtlesoup]

What's the problem?

Why?

Because she wantonly deprived a woman of her life, and stole the child who will never know her mother. I am generally not in favor of the death penalty either, but in certain cases, such as this one, it is warranted.

It's not until her appeals hearing that it they discuss her mental illness.

Being Crazy should be no defense to being put to death because you are a predator.. If anything---it should only make the case stronger that you have to be put down because violent crazies don't stop being crazy.

 

[Turtlesoup]

What's the problem?

One problem is that she is mentally ill

Lisa Montgomery: US Sets Date for First Federal Execution of a Woman in 7 Decades

Montgomery will be the ninth person to be put to death since July, when the Justice Department resumed executions after a gap of almost two decades

www.ibtimes.sg

Even now, Montgomery's attorney, Kelley Henry, argues that she deserves to live because she is mentally ill and suffered childhood abuse. But that is not going to won't help much as the date of her execution has been set. "Lisa Montgomery has long accepted full responsibility for her crime, and she will never leave prison," Henry said. "But her severe mental illness and the devastating impacts of her childhood trauma make executing her a profound injustice."

Another problem is that it is a barbaric practice that serves no purpose except to satisfy a lust for revenge and to allow officials to show that they are tough on crime.

Odd how her mental illness is just now being revealed, isn't it?

But obviously she's not so mentally ill she was unable to take responsibility for her barbaric crime.

What the law considers crazy and what everyone thinks of crazy are two different things.....the law has a narrow interruptation--did the crazy person know it was wrong to kill? So any act to hide their crime is automatic proof that they aren't legally crazy.

It shouldn't matter though---being crazy should not be a defense.

 

[Disir]

What's the problem?

Why?

Because she wantonly deprived a woman of her life, and stole the child who will never know her mother. I am generally not in favor of the death penalty either, but in certain cases, such as this one, it is warranted.

It's not until her appeals hearing that it they discuss her mental illness.

Being Crazy should be no defense to being put to death because you are a predator.. If anything---it should only make the case stronger that you have to be put down because violent crazies don't stop being crazy.

Being crazy doesn't make you a predator.


They've Gone Far, Too Far'

In California, for example, the number of patients in state mental hospitals reached a peak of 37,500 in 1959 when Edmund G. Brown was Governor, fell to 22,000 when Ronald Reagan attained that office in 1967, and continued to decline under his administration and that of his successor, Edmund G. Brown Jr. The senior Mr. Brown now expresses regret about the way the policy started and ultimately evolved. ''They've gone far, too far, in letting people out,'' he said in an interview.


Dr. Robert H. Felix, who was then director of the National Institute of Mental Health and a major figure in the shift to community centers, says now on reflection: ''Many of those patients who left the state hospitals never should have done so. We psychiatrists saw too much of the old snake pit, saw too many people who shouldn't have been there and we overreacted. The result is not what we intended, and perhaps we didn't ask the questions that should have been asked when developing a new concept, but psychiatrists are human, too, and we tried our damnedest.''

Dr. John A. Talbott, president of the American Psychiatric Association, said, ''The psychiatrists involved in the policy making at that time certainly oversold community treatment, and our credibility today is probably damaged because of it.'' He said the policies ''were based partly on wishful thinking, partly on the enormousness of the problem and the lack of a silver bullet to resolve it, then as now.''


Charles Schlaifer, a New York advertising executive who served as secretary-treasurer of the group, said he was now disgusted with the advice presented by leading psychiatrists of that day. ''Tranquilizers became the panacea for the mentally ill,'' he said. ''The state programs were buying them by the carload, sending the drugged patients back to the community and the psychiatrists never tried to stop this. Local mental health centers were going to be the greatest thing going, but no one wanted to think it through.''

Dr. Bertram S. Brown, a psychiatrist and Federal official who was instrumental in shaping the community center legislation in 1963, agreed that Presidents Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson were to some extent misled by the mental health community and Government bureaucrats.

HOW RELEASE OF MENTAL PATIENTS BEGAN (Published 1984)

www.nytimes.com

I didn't want to take out too much from the article but some might hit a paywall. It is a lengthy article and I don't think I have crossed a line. If I have, somebody will break out the red pen here shortly. So read it really damn quick, folks.

It was out in the open and discussed by 1984 and yet nothing has been done. Nothing. In fact, these people often don't get treatment until they go to jail. Most cannot afford the medication before and there is always the issue of those that refuse the medication. Further, some need to go through several medications until they get the right cocktail. For those that are released they go back to not affording the medication.

In order to keep these people off of death row they need to bring back the state hospitals and the good people of name your state have to be willing to accept that a significant amount of change will be directed there.

 

[daveman]

What's the problem?

One problem is that she is mentally ill

Lisa Montgomery: US Sets Date for First Federal Execution of a Woman in 7 Decades

Montgomery will be the ninth person to be put to death since July, when the Justice Department resumed executions after a gap of almost two decades

www.ibtimes.sg

Even now, Montgomery's attorney, Kelley Henry, argues that she deserves to live because she is mentally ill and suffered childhood abuse. But that is not going to won't help much as the date of her execution has been set. "Lisa Montgomery has long accepted full responsibility for her crime, and she will never leave prison," Henry said. "But her severe mental illness and the devastating impacts of her childhood trauma make executing her a profound injustice."

Another problem is that it is a barbaric practice that serves no purpose except to satisfy a lust for revenge and to allow officials to show that they are tough on crime.

Odd how her mental illness is just now being revealed, isn't it?

But obviously she's not so mentally ill she was unable to take responsibility for her barbaric crime.

What the law considers crazy and what everyone thinks of crazy are two different things.....the law has a narrow interruptation--did the crazy person know it was wrong to kill? So any act to hide their crime is automatic proof that they aren't legally crazy.

It shouldn't matter though---being crazy should not be a defense.

It shouldn't -- unless people are more interested in blaming society than criminals.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

What's the problem?

One problem is that she is mentally ill

Lisa Montgomery: US Sets Date for First Federal Execution of a Woman in 7 Decades

Montgomery will be the ninth person to be put to death since July, when the Justice Department resumed executions after a gap of almost two decades

www.ibtimes.sg

Even now, Montgomery's attorney, Kelley Henry, argues that she deserves to live because she is mentally ill and suffered childhood abuse. But that is not going to won't help much as the date of her execution has been set. "Lisa Montgomery has long accepted full responsibility for her crime, and she will never leave prison," Henry said. "But her severe mental illness and the devastating impacts of her childhood trauma make executing her a profound injustice."

Another problem is that it is a barbaric practice that serves no purpose except to satisfy a lust for revenge and to allow officials to show that they are tough on crime.

Odd how her mental illness is just now being revealed, isn't it?

But obviously she's not so mentally ill she was unable to take responsibility for her barbaric crime.

What the law considers crazy and what everyone thinks of crazy are two different things.....the law has a narrow interruptation--did the crazy person know it was wrong to kill? So any act to hide their crime is automatic proof that they aren't legally crazy.

It shouldn't matter though---being crazy should not be a defense.

It shouldn't -- unless people are more interested in blaming society than criminals.

Not blaming society, The issue is fixing the system.

 

[daveman]

What's the problem?

One problem is that she is mentally ill

Lisa Montgomery: US Sets Date for First Federal Execution of a Woman in 7 Decades

Montgomery will be the ninth person to be put to death since July, when the Justice Department resumed executions after a gap of almost two decades

www.ibtimes.sg

Even now, Montgomery's attorney, Kelley Henry, argues that she deserves to live because she is mentally ill and suffered childhood abuse. But that is not going to won't help much as the date of her execution has been set. "Lisa Montgomery has long accepted full responsibility for her crime, and she will never leave prison," Henry said. "But her severe mental illness and the devastating impacts of her childhood trauma make executing her a profound injustice."

Another problem is that it is a barbaric practice that serves no purpose except to satisfy a lust for revenge and to allow officials to show that they are tough on crime.

Odd how her mental illness is just now being revealed, isn't it?

But obviously she's not so mentally ill she was unable to take responsibility for her barbaric crime.

What the law considers crazy and what everyone thinks of crazy are two different things.....the law has a narrow interruptation--did the crazy person know it was wrong to kill? So any act to hide their crime is automatic proof that they aren't legally crazy.

It shouldn't matter though---being crazy should not be a defense.

It shouldn't -- unless people are more interested in blaming society than criminals.

Not blaming society, The issue is fixing the system.

"The system" IS society.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

What's the problem?

One problem is that she is mentally ill

Lisa Montgomery: US Sets Date for First Federal Execution of a Woman in 7 Decades

Montgomery will be the ninth person to be put to death since July, when the Justice Department resumed executions after a gap of almost two decades

www.ibtimes.sg

Even now, Montgomery's attorney, Kelley Henry, argues that she deserves to live because she is mentally ill and suffered childhood abuse. But that is not going to won't help much as the date of her execution has been set. "Lisa Montgomery has long accepted full responsibility for her crime, and she will never leave prison," Henry said. "But her severe mental illness and the devastating impacts of her childhood trauma make executing her a profound injustice."

Another problem is that it is a barbaric practice that serves no purpose except to satisfy a lust for revenge and to allow officials to show that they are tough on crime.

Odd how her mental illness is just now being revealed, isn't it?

But obviously she's not so mentally ill she was unable to take responsibility for her barbaric crime.

What the law considers crazy and what everyone thinks of crazy are two different things.....the law has a narrow interruptation--did the crazy person know it was wrong to kill? So any act to hide their crime is automatic proof that they aren't legally crazy.

It shouldn't matter though---being crazy should not be a defense.

It shouldn't -- unless people are more interested in blaming society than criminals.

Not blaming society, The issue is fixing the system.

"The system" IS society.

Oh really? We are "society" The politicians and the laws are "the system" There is a disconnect between the two, unless you think that you. as part of society really have all that much say as to how "the system" functions

 

[daveman]

What's the problem?

One problem is that she is mentally ill

Lisa Montgomery: US Sets Date for First Federal Execution of a Woman in 7 Decades

Montgomery will be the ninth person to be put to death since July, when the Justice Department resumed executions after a gap of almost two decades

www.ibtimes.sg

Even now, Montgomery's attorney, Kelley Henry, argues that she deserves to live because she is mentally ill and suffered childhood abuse. But that is not going to won't help much as the date of her execution has been set. "Lisa Montgomery has long accepted full responsibility for her crime, and she will never leave prison," Henry said. "But her severe mental illness and the devastating impacts of her childhood trauma make executing her a profound injustice."

Another problem is that it is a barbaric practice that serves no purpose except to satisfy a lust for revenge and to allow officials to show that they are tough on crime.

Odd how her mental illness is just now being revealed, isn't it?

But obviously she's not so mentally ill she was unable to take responsibility for her barbaric crime.

What the law considers crazy and what everyone thinks of crazy are two different things.....the law has a narrow interruptation--did the crazy person know it was wrong to kill? So any act to hide their crime is automatic proof that they aren't legally crazy.

It shouldn't matter though---being crazy should not be a defense.

It shouldn't -- unless people are more interested in blaming society than criminals.

Not blaming society, The issue is fixing the system.

"The system" IS society.

Oh really? We are "society" The politicians and the laws are "the system" There is a disconnect between the two, unless you think that you. as part of society really have all that much say as to how "the system" functions

The system is part of society.

But you have utterly failed to address one of my key points:

Millions of people are poor. They don't break the law. You seem to believe it's inevitable.

It is not.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

What's the problem?

One problem is that she is mentally ill

Lisa Montgomery: US Sets Date for First Federal Execution of a Woman in 7 Decades

Montgomery will be the ninth person to be put to death since July, when the Justice Department resumed executions after a gap of almost two decades

www.ibtimes.sg

Even now, Montgomery's attorney, Kelley Henry, argues that she deserves to live because she is mentally ill and suffered childhood abuse. But that is not going to won't help much as the date of her execution has been set. "Lisa Montgomery has long accepted full responsibility for her crime, and she will never leave prison," Henry said. "But her severe mental illness and the devastating impacts of her childhood trauma make executing her a profound injustice."

Another problem is that it is a barbaric practice that serves no purpose except to satisfy a lust for revenge and to allow officials to show that they are tough on crime.

Odd how her mental illness is just now being revealed, isn't it?

But obviously she's not so mentally ill she was unable to take responsibility for her barbaric crime.

What the law considers crazy and what everyone thinks of crazy are two different things.....the law has a narrow interruptation--did the crazy person know it was wrong to kill? So any act to hide their crime is automatic proof that they aren't legally crazy.

It shouldn't matter though---being crazy should not be a defense.

It shouldn't -- unless people are more interested in blaming society than criminals.

Not blaming society, The issue is fixing the system.

"The system" IS society.

Oh really? We are "society" The politicians and the laws are "the system" There is a disconnect between the two, unless you think that you. as part of society really have all that much say as to how "the system" functions

The system is part of society.

But you have utterly failed to address one of my key points:

Millions of people are poor. They don't break the law. You seem to believe it's inevitable.

It is not.

Give me a fucking break. I did not say that if people are poor that crime is inevitable. That is nothing more than a pathetic straw man logical fallacy. The point is that poverty, mental illness, and other negative factors are matters of mitigation that must be taken into consideration. Can you possibly get that ?

 

[daveman]

What's the problem?

One problem is that she is mentally ill

Lisa Montgomery: US Sets Date for First Federal Execution of a Woman in 7 Decades

Montgomery will be the ninth person to be put to death since July, when the Justice Department resumed executions after a gap of almost two decades

www.ibtimes.sg

Even now, Montgomery's attorney, Kelley Henry, argues that she deserves to live because she is mentally ill and suffered childhood abuse. But that is not going to won't help much as the date of her execution has been set. "Lisa Montgomery has long accepted full responsibility for her crime, and she will never leave prison," Henry said. "But her severe mental illness and the devastating impacts of her childhood trauma make executing her a profound injustice."

Another problem is that it is a barbaric practice that serves no purpose except to satisfy a lust for revenge and to allow officials to show that they are tough on crime.

Odd how her mental illness is just now being revealed, isn't it?

But obviously she's not so mentally ill she was unable to take responsibility for her barbaric crime.

What the law considers crazy and what everyone thinks of crazy are two different things.....the law has a narrow interruptation--did the crazy person know it was wrong to kill? So any act to hide their crime is automatic proof that they aren't legally crazy.

It shouldn't matter though---being crazy should not be a defense.

It shouldn't -- unless people are more interested in blaming society than criminals.

Not blaming society, The issue is fixing the system.

"The system" IS society.

Oh really? We are "society" The politicians and the laws are "the system" There is a disconnect between the two, unless you think that you. as part of society really have all that much say as to how "the system" functions

The system is part of society.

But you have utterly failed to address one of my key points:

Millions of people are poor. They don't break the law. You seem to believe it's inevitable.

It is not.

Give me a fucking break. I did not say that if people are poor that crime is inevitable. That is nothing more than a pathetic straw man logical fallacy. The point is that poverty, mental illness, and other negative factors are matters of mitigation that must be taken into consideration. Can you possibly get that ?

"Seem to".

What's crystal clear, however, is you'd rather blame society than the criminal. I don't know why you're refusing to own it.