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well, don't count your chickens before they are hatched.I am trying to remember/ find, I think it was the Wyoming (?)case.
back in the 30's a guy was growing his own feed for his cattle or some such, he was taken to court and lost , it went all the way up I believe to the SC, where in he was accused of not buying grain etc. on the market.....he lost.
Close....1941, Wisconson. Wickard v. Filburn.
Thankfully we no longer have a court that would rule as they did in cases like Wickard and Darby.
yeah, now we have corporatist loons who think corporations are people.
You realize if the individual mandate is struck down and the rest of Obamacare remains intact for the most part, that could mean the beginning of the downfall of insurance companies as we know them? So yeah, I'm ok with striking down the mandate if thats the end result.
He didn't rule on it. He didn't pass any more judgement than was necessary to allow it to advance.
Social Security is insolvent. The people who challenged it were just slightly ahead of its time.
insolvency isn't a basis for challenge.
now you're claiming an expertise on the law? lol..
i love you people. you crack me up. yesterday it was accounting. today law.
FDR stacked the court with justices who would accept calling Social Security a tax one day and not a tax the other day.
Ain't going to happen again.
You realize if the individual mandate is struck down and the rest of Obamacare remains intact for the most part, that could mean the beginning of the downfall of insurance companies as we know them? So yeah, I'm ok with striking down the mandate if thats the end result.
Of course mandatory purchase will be struck down. What makes you think the rest will stay intact? Exceptions are already being granted to other portions. Obamacare costs will soar and it will die a quick death by 2012.
insolvency isn't a basis for challenge.
now you're claiming an expertise on the law? lol..
i love you people. you crack me up. yesterday it was accounting. today law.
FDR stacked the court with justices who would accept calling Social Security a tax one day and not a tax the other day.
Ain't going to happen again.
you should really try making a passing acquaintance with the truth.
FDR NEVER stacked the Court. And there were elements of the New Deal that were struck down.
Do you always make up stuff? Or are you just ignorant?
You realize if the individual mandate is struck down and the rest of Obamacare remains intact for the most part, that could mean the beginning of the downfall of insurance companies as we know them? So yeah, I'm ok with striking down the mandate if thats the end result.
Of course mandatory purchase will be struck down. What makes you think the rest will stay intact? Exceptions are already being granted to other portions. Obamacare costs will soar and it will die a quick death by 2012.
mandatory insurance is the only issue left to be litigated. the rest was tossed.
READ.
You realize if the individual mandate is struck down and the rest of Obamacare remains intact for the most part, that could mean the beginning of the downfall of insurance companies as we know them? So yeah, I'm ok with striking down the mandate if thats the end result.
Of course mandatory purchase will be struck down. What makes you think the rest will stay intact? Exceptions are already being granted to other portions. Obamacare costs will soar and it will die a quick death by 2012.
Close....1941, Wisconson. Wickard v. Filburn.
Thankfully we no longer have a court that would rule as they did in cases like Wickard and Darby.
yeah, now we have corporatist loons who think corporations are people.
Jillian, you took Corporations in law school and in that class they told you that the basis of the Corporate fiction that allowed the creation of corporations in the first place is they they are people and can act indepentantly as people including their ability to contract as an individual.
You are just upset that your ox got gored by that decision.
insolvency isn't a basis for challenge.
now you're claiming an expertise on the law? lol..
i love you people. you crack me up. yesterday it was accounting. today law.
FDR stacked the court with justices who would accept calling Social Security a tax one day and not a tax the other day.
Ain't going to happen again.
you should really try making a passing acquaintance with the truth.
FDR NEVER stacked the Court. And there were elements of the New Deal that were struck down.
Do you always make up stuff? Or are you just ignorant?
yeah, now we have corporatist loons who think corporations are people.
Jillian, you took Corporations in law school and in that class they told you that the basis of the Corporate fiction that allowed the creation of corporations in the first place is they they are people and can act indepentantly as people including their ability to contract as an individual.
You are just upset that your ox got gored by that decision.
Your ox should be gored by the decision, too. It's disgusting. But if you want China and Saudi Arabia telling you who to vote for, more power to you. I'm sure BP has your best interests at heart.
And yes, I took corporations. But I also took Constitutional Law. And personhood for corporations is a legal fiction devised to give the courts jurisdiction over them for purpose of lawsuits. There was never any intent that the First Amendment apply to corporations.
I love how the corporate literalists are ok with this.
apparently its only when individual rights are protected that the right objects.
You realize if the individual mandate is struck down and the rest of Obamacare remains intact for the most part, that could mean the beginning of the downfall of insurance companies as we know them? So yeah, I'm ok with striking down the mandate if thats the end result.
Of course mandatory purchase will be struck down. What makes you think the rest will stay intact? Exceptions are already being granted to other portions. Obamacare costs will soar and it will die a quick death by 2012.
The only parts of Obamacare that are working are the parts being waived.
It's toast on both Constitutional and popular fronts.
All jillian can say is that people are too stupid to know what gifts they are given.
Of course mandatory purchase will be struck down. What makes you think the rest will stay intact? Exceptions are already being granted to other portions. Obamacare costs will soar and it will die a quick death by 2012.
The only parts of Obamacare that are working are the parts being waived.
It's toast on both Constitutional and popular fronts.
All jillian can say is that people are too stupid to know what gifts they are given.
whether something 'works' isn't a basis for a constitutional challenge. overturning legislation is the ultimate in judicial activism.
pity you talk about things you have no understanding about.
but i guess that's what rightwingnut trolls do.
The only parts of Obamacare that are working are the parts being waived.
It's toast on both Constitutional and popular fronts.
All jillian can say is that people are too stupid to know what gifts they are given.
whether something 'works' isn't a basis for a constitutional challenge. overturning legislation is the ultimate in judicial activism.
pity you talk about things you have no understanding about.
but i guess that's what rightwingnut trolls do.
Don't post about me.
The parts that are Unconstitutional will be found so.
The rest will be defunded or repealed as soon as Americans beg government to.
yeah, now we have corporatist loons who think corporations are people.
Jillian, you took Corporations in law school and in that class they told you that the basis of the Corporate fiction that allowed the creation of corporations in the first place is they they are people and can act indepentantly as people including their ability to contract as an individual.
You are just upset that your ox got gored by that decision.
Your ox should be gored by the decision, too. It's disgusting. But if you want China and Saudi Arabia telling you who to vote for, more power to you. I'm sure BP has your best interests at heart.
And yes, I took corporations. But I also took Constitutional Law. And personhood for corporations is a legal fiction devised to give the courts jurisdiction over them for purpose of lawsuits. There was never any intent that the First Amendment apply to corporations.
I love how the corporate literalists are ok with this.
apparently its only when individual rights are protected that the right objects.
whether something 'works' isn't a basis for a constitutional challenge. overturning legislation is the ultimate in judicial activism.
pity you talk about things you have no understanding about.
but i guess that's what rightwingnut trolls do.
Don't post about me.
The parts that are Unconstitutional will be found so.
The rest will be defunded or repealed as soon as Americans beg government to.
you posted about me. why shouldn't i post about you. at least the things i say about you are true.
don't like it being pointed out that you're a liar and a rightwingnut troll? don't be one.
poor baby... you don't even understand that repeal isn't going to happen.
but answer... are you lying intentionally? or just ignorant?
Jillian, you took Corporations in law school and in that class they told you that the basis of the Corporate fiction that allowed the creation of corporations in the first place is they they are people and can act indepentantly as people including their ability to contract as an individual.
You are just upset that your ox got gored by that decision.
Your ox should be gored by the decision, too. It's disgusting. But if you want China and Saudi Arabia telling you who to vote for, more power to you. I'm sure BP has your best interests at heart.
And yes, I took corporations. But I also took Constitutional Law. And personhood for corporations is a legal fiction devised to give the courts jurisdiction over them for purpose of lawsuits. There was never any intent that the First Amendment apply to corporations.
I love how the corporate literalists are ok with this.
apparently its only when individual rights are protected that the right objects.
Interesting reading of it. I guess we'll find out over time. I'm more comfortable with BP telling me who to vote for than the AFL-CIO or the Hungarian socialist front Moveon.org (Souros(sp?) being the Hungarian socialist in question). I think it's a little specious to pretend that our elections were untainted by foreign intervention prior to the decision.
I also think it's ironic that a discussion of the protection of individual rights by the left should come up on the thread where the left is supporting every American losing their right to freedom of choice when it comes to health insurance. That's truly rich!
Interstate commerce. This will eventually probably go to the SC based on the govt forcing its own citizens to buy a product. That part will be struck out as unconstitutional but probably not the rest of the bill.
well, don't count your chickens before they are hatched.I am trying to remember/ find, I think it was the Wyoming (?)case.
back in the 30's a guy was growing his own feed for his cattle or some such, he was taken to court and lost , it went all the way up I believe to the SC, where in he was accused of not buying grain etc. on the market.....he lost.
All bark, no bite. These cases will go nowhere. Waste of time and money.
"The power that the individual mandate seeks to harness is simply without prior precedent," he said.
All bark, no bite. These cases will go nowhere. Waste of time and money.
You realize if the individual mandate is struck down and the rest of Obamacare remains intact for the most part, that could mean the beginning of the downfall of insurance companies as we know them? So yeah, I'm ok with striking down the mandate if thats the end result.
