FDR Caused Our Huge Debt!

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    1. Total US debt is $64.2 trillion.
    The Final Hour: 65 Trillion - U.S. Financial Obligations Exceed The Entire World's GDP

    2. Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution, is known as the Taxing and Spending Clause.[1] It is the clause that gives the federal government of the United States its power of taxation. Component parts of this clause are known as the General Welfare Clause and the Uniformity Clause.Taxing and Spending Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    3. In his farewell address of our first President, George Washington, in reference to our constitution, warned, "Let there be no change [in the Constitution] by usurpation. For though this, in one instance may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed."

    4. Up until 1937 the Congress of the United States conducted its business within the boundaries of seventeen enumerated powers granted under Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution; these powers defined clearly the areas within which Congress could enact legislation including the allocation of funds and levying of taxes. Anything not set down in the enumerated powers was considered outside the purview of the national government and hence, a matter for the states. There were occasional challenges to the concept but it was not until Franklin Roosevelt's new deal that it was attacked in deadly earnestness.
    The General Welfare Clause


    5. During the Depression, FDR asked for an receive unprecedented powers. Some poorly crafted legislation went to the courts. The first of the new deal statutes to reach the Supreme Court for review, arrived in January 1935. In the sixteen months following, the court decided ten major cases or groups of cases involving new deal statutes. In eight instances out of ten the decisions went in favor of the United States Constitution and against the new deal. Eight of the ten pieces of "must legislation" were found to be unconstitutional. Op. cit.

    a. Under FDR’s threats to pack the court, they threw in the towel. In doing so, they said in effect, Congress would no longer be held to enumerated powers but instead could tax and spend for anything; so long as it was for "general welfare." The supreme court surrendered to the new deal on the most fundamental of constitutional issues. Ibid.

    6. Lyndon B. Johnson and the Great Society, [1965] was FDR on steroids! His programs signaled the commencement of the full implementation of "Steward Machine Co. v. Davis"--1937.

    a. The decision in Steward signaled the Court’s acceptance of a broad interpretation of Congressional power to influence state laws.

    6. Consider the national debt. How did this happen? A "General Welfare Congress" [session after session] made this happen. With no limits on their taxing and spending power, they became like children in a candy store.

    7. The limits on federal power to legislate for the "general welfare" remains, to this date, undefined and presumably, boundless. James Madison, when asked if the "general welfare" clause was a grant of power, replied in 1792, in a letter to Henry Lee,

    If not only the means but the objects are unlimited, the parchment [the Constitution] should be thrown into the fire at once. Brant, Irving “The Fourth President - A Life of James Madison,” p. 257.


    If it has excaped anyone's attention, FDR, and LBJ, the primary culprits, were both Progressive Democrats.


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    OH,NO....did I step on your toes...or Saint FDR's????


    I know that you can read, and understand better than you're letting on....the point of the OP is that FDR cowed the SCOTUS into allowing taxing and spending beyond the enumerated powers....

    I didn't say that Republicans and Democrats both didn't then abuse the Constitution.

    How's this: the politician's mantra:

    You want to serve your country. To serve your country you must be in power [in Congress]. To be in power you must be re-elected. To be re-elected you must out promise your opponent. To out promise your opponent you must promise to spend for the "General Welfare." Ibid.


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    Yes.


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    Excellent retort!

    I was just posting to say that the liberal radio host I listen too said that obama needs to try all sorts of stuff with the economy like FDR had to do to create jobs. Thats when I called in and mentioned that because of FDRs programs and the repubs/dems abuse and neglect of said programs we are facing our enormous national debt today. How can adding more to the almost unsustainable debt be a good idea to you when we already learned that over a trillion in stimulus and bailouts didn't ease unemployment?

    She went on some rant about how I don't want to care for the poor or seniors and completely avoided responding to the point I brought up.

    Demogaugery just like what was done to you in the 2nd post
     
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    And in our march towards socialism I am reminded of a great thinker's ( Dr Benjamin Franklin ) response when asked at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, what we had, a republic or a monarchy to which he replied, "a republic if you can keep it."

    Great quote by ee cummings, PC. I have long admired him. He was the first American poet to use all lower case letters in his name. ( Just a bit of trivia I find interesting ) "It takes far more courage to go against custom than to go against law? "
     
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    1. They see the results, but want to keep right on...or 'Left' on.

    2. How come Jillian's graph 'Left' off LBJ and BO????
    BTW...aren't they both Progressive Democrats? Hmmmm.....

    3. I don't belive we have any Liberal talk show hosts in NYC....they're all in sleeping bags in Zuccotti Park...
     
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    the talk radio station in boston has liberals on from 7am until 3pm then a libertarian then a conservative.
     
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    Wow, we take the total public debt, add to it the money the gov't owes itself, and then toss in all the things the gov't doesn't even owe but might owe later. $64.2T --NEAT! Now let's forget about revenue, gov't assets, and the strength of the American people and compare our bodacious figure to what, FOREIGN GDP!!!

    Now it looks to big for even someone like Ronald Reagan, it's now become a job for---
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    Seriously, it's a real bad idea to spit out this stuff. Sure, everyone does it, but it wastes people's time, it confuses the issue, and there is really serious stuff out there that nobody believes with all the 'wolf-crying' going on.
     

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