Fascism: The Father of American Liberalism.

[Political Junky]

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
Benito Mussolini

 

[Political Junky]

"Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail."
Benito Mussolini

 

[Political Junky]

"The Liberal State is a mask behind which there is no face; it is a scaffolding behind which there is no building."
Benito Mussolini

 

[rdean]

And you pick Jonah Goldberg... the idiot...stupid is as stupid does...



The 14 Characteristics of Fascism

The 14 characteristics are:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism = The GOP circa the previous admin

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights = The GOP circa the previous admin

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause = The GOP circa the previous admin

4. Supremacy of the Military = The GOP circa the previous admin

5. Rampant Sexism = The GOP circa always

6. Controlled Mass Media RW Talk Radio + FOXNews

7. Obsession with National Security = The GOP circa always

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined = The GOP circa Reagan and beyong via Newt Gingrich et. al.

9. Corporate Power is Protected = The GOP circa always

10. Labor Power is Suppressed = The GOP circa always

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts = The GOP circa always

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment = The GOP circa always

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption = The GOP circa always, especially the previous admin

14. Fraudulent Elections = uhmm...yeah...The GOP

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.
Edmund Burke

Aren't these current RWers' and Neo-Con values?

"O con noi o contro di noi"--You're either with us or against us.
Benito Mussolini

Sound familiar?

As soon as I saw #6, Fox news immediately came to mind. Or should we call it "Fox/Arabian" News?

Still waiting for Republicans to deny any of these points.

 

[MIPS]

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
Benito Mussolini

"Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail."
Benito Mussolini

"The Liberal State is a mask behind which there is no face; it is a scaffolding behind which there is no building."
Benito Mussolini

Okay, which one of you smart @sses resurrected Mussolini's parrot?

 

[Polk]

The old reducto-ad-anarchist is one of Polkie's favorite strawmen.

Yep that particular straw man is a golden oldie, that being said I still get a good laugh whenever I see someone attempting to use it, can't blame them for trying it though it's not like authoritarians have much else in their arsenal.

How is it a strawman? There isn't a single function of government you guys approve of. It's not really a stretch to then draw the conclusion that you feel government shouldn't exist at all.

 

[Ragnar]

Some of us think that people calling themselves liberals today are not liberals at all.

The way Mussolini understood liberalism, you are right. Fascist despised what American's now call classical liberalism. You know, just like progressives hate classical liberalism.

As far as Corporatism goes, just think Fannie and Freddie, or Amtrack and now GM, or most of healthcare if they can get it. (or post office etc etc...)

Your source for, "You know, just like progressives hate classical liberalism"?

"Hate" is strong but it was meant to poke the progressives. The point is progressives are not classical liberals for the same reason that fascist are not. They don't believe in private property and are corporatist, per the examples I provided, who are hostile to free trade and individualism.

Liberalism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

There is the link, re: 2.1 Classical Liberalism vs 2.2 The ‘New Liberalism’

 

[rdean]

And you pick Jonah Goldberg... the idiot...stupid is as stupid does...



The 14 Characteristics of Fascism

The 14 characteristics are:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

4. Supremacy of the Military

5. Rampant Sexism

6. Controlled Mass Media

7. Obsession with National Security

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

9. Corporate Power is Protected

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

14. Fraudulent Elections

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.
Edmund Burke

The entire reason behind this thread was some idiot trying to tie liberals to Fascism. But then your post blew that out of the water.

 

[MIPS]

The old reducto-ad-anarchist is one of Polkie's favorite strawmen.

Yep that particular straw man is a golden oldie, that being said I still get a good laugh whenever I see someone attempting to use it, can't blame them for trying it though it's not like authoritarians have much else in their arsenal.

How is it a strawman? There isn't a single function of government you guys approve of. It's not really a stretch to then draw the conclusion that you feel government shouldn't exist at all.

Yet another straw man being constructed by a purveyor of straw men that apparently can't even recognize he's constructing straw men.

Give it up .... I have a lot more respect for those that use straw man arguments knowing full well what they do since at least they are able to recognize that the premise of their arguments are weak to begin with.

 

[Ragnar]

I'm not a Republican or very conservative for that matter so I felt no need respond to the below list and I'm pretty sure that's already been done in this very thread. But since some ignorents think the below list is a definition of a political philosophy as opposed some goofballs list bad personality traits, here comes the fun...



1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
American's can't be nationalist as there is no "American nationality". We are patriotic but that applies to the right and left and means different things to each.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Property rights, gun rights, right to life etc. Both sides can be accused of this for various party platforms, bug whup.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
That's funny THIS is the one that made me think of Fox News, lol. Again, all sides do this to some extent but it's not a party platform. (not even for fascist)
4. Supremacy of the Military
No one on the right is advocating for a military dictatorship, but a military is one of the primary and Constitutional roles of establishing a government in the first place.
5. Rampant Sexism
Like calling a woman a "****" for having a point of view? Like the treatment of Sarah Palin, or for that matter Hillary Clinton recently by the Dems.
6. Controlled Mass Media
One cable channel and some AM stations. Someone does not know what the word "controlled" means.
7. Obsession with National Security
Obsession is not anyone's party platform but National Security IS the governments job.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
A Ten Commandments statue does not intertwine the government and religion all that spectacularly but it's wrong and some Republicans take it to far. Meh
9. Corporate Power is Protected
Corporate people have rights too. But corporatism goes to far, re: frannie and freddie and Amtrack etc etc...
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
Hell GM has the highest paid unskilled labor on earth and still they bitch and moan.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
This is mythology. The right does not dissdain these things, they just prefer that they don't have to live off the government tit
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Again obsession is not policy and in any case punishment for crime is why all governments are given a monopoly on the use of force
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Every government everywhere for all time
14. Fraudulent Elections
Bush won, suck it. However, ACORN comes to mind

Well that was fun, LOL.

 

[rdean]

I'm not a Republican or very conservative for that matter so I felt no need respond to the below list and I'm pretty sure that's already been done in this very thread. But since some ignorents think the below list is a definition of a political philosophy as opposed some goofballs list bad personality traits, here comes the fun...



1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
American's can't be nationalist as there is no "American nationality". We are patriotic but that applies to the right and left and means different things to each.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Property rights, gun rights, right to life etc. Both sides can be accused of this for various party platforms, bug whup.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
That's funny THIS is the one that made me think of Fox News, lol. Again, all sides do this to some extent but it's not a party platform. (not even for fascist)
4. Supremacy of the Military
No one on the right is advocating for a military dictatorship, but a military is one of the primary and Constitutional roles of establishing a government in the first place.
5. Rampant Sexism
Like calling a woman a "****" for having a point of view? Like the treatment of Sarah Palin, or for that matter Hillary Clinton recently by the Dems.
6. Controlled Mass Media
One cable channel and some AM stations. Someone does not know what the word "controlled" means.
7. Obsession with National Security
Obsession is not anyone's party platform but National Security IS the governments job.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
A Ten Commandments statue does not intertwine the government and religion all that spectacularly but it's wrong and some Republicans take it to far. Meh
9. Corporate Power is Protected
Corporate people have rights too. But corporatism goes to far, re: frannie and freddie and Amtrack etc etc...
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
Hell GM has the highest paid unskilled labor on earth and still they bitch and moan.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
This is mythology. The right does not dissdain these things, they just prefer that they don't have to live off the government tit
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Again obsession is not policy and in any case punishment for crime is why all governments are given a monopoly on the use of force
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Every government everywhere for all time
14. Fraudulent Elections
Bush won, suck it. However, ACORN comes to mind

Well that was fun, LOL.

I know you thought you were being nonpartisan, but in most points you weren't. But a few were just glaring.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
A Ten Commandments statue does not intertwine the government and religion all that spectacularly but it's wrong and some Republicans take it to far. Meh

Some Republicans take it to far? Only 7% DON'T want mysticism taught in public schools. Half the states want to "teach the controversy".

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
This is mythology. The right does not dissdain these things, they just prefer that they don't have to live off the government tit

Just the fact that you say something so idiotic. I guess NASA "lives off the government"? Universities live off the government? This is evidence of Republican "disdain" for intellectuals. Next you'll be saying, "Teach the controversy".

14. Fraudulent Elections
Bush won, suck it. However, ACORN comes to mind

Acorn? Sure some people were fraudulently registered, but NOT 10 million (last election). Bush was decided by the Supreme Court 5 to 4, wasn't that the vote? And certainly, Paul Newman, Mickey Mouse and Clark Kent NEVER showed up to vote a single time. This was a "made up" issue.

Sorry, your attempt at "nonpartisan" gets a "D+" because I didn't disagree with everything.

 

[Xenophon]

Yea...the conservative nanny state...

Yea, the Progressive nanny state...

Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.

One man with a gun can control 100 without one.

The goal of socialism is communism.

The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses.

The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.

There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel.

When there is state there can be no freedom, but when there is freedom there will be no state.

Vladimir Lenin , Progessive 'hero' of the masses and father of the nanny state.

 

[Ragnar]

I'm not a Republican or very conservative for that matter so I felt no need respond to the below list and I'm pretty sure that's already been done in this very thread. But since some ignorents think the below list is a definition of a political philosophy as opposed some goofballs list bad personality traits, here comes the fun...



1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
American's can't be nationalist as there is no "American nationality". We are patriotic but that applies to the right and left and means different things to each.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Property rights, gun rights, right to life etc. Both sides can be accused of this for various party platforms, bug whup.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
That's funny THIS is the one that made me think of Fox News, lol. Again, all sides do this to some extent but it's not a party platform. (not even for fascist)
4. Supremacy of the Military
No one on the right is advocating for a military dictatorship, but a military is one of the primary and Constitutional roles of establishing a government in the first place.
5. Rampant Sexism
Like calling a woman a "****" for having a point of view? Like the treatment of Sarah Palin, or for that matter Hillary Clinton recently by the Dems.
6. Controlled Mass Media
One cable channel and some AM stations. Someone does not know what the word "controlled" means.
7. Obsession with National Security
Obsession is not anyone's party platform but National Security IS the governments job.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
A Ten Commandments statue does not intertwine the government and religion all that spectacularly but it's wrong and some Republicans take it to far. Meh
9. Corporate Power is Protected
Corporate people have rights too. But corporatism goes to far, re: frannie and freddie and Amtrack etc etc...
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
Hell GM has the highest paid unskilled labor on earth and still they bitch and moan.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
This is mythology. The right does not dissdain these things, they just prefer that they don't have to live off the government tit
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Again obsession is not policy and in any case punishment for crime is why all governments are given a monopoly on the use of force
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Every government everywhere for all time
14. Fraudulent Elections
Bush won, suck it. However, ACORN comes to mind

Well that was fun, LOL.

I know you thought you were being nonpartisan, but in most points you weren't. But a few were just glaring.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
A Ten Commandments statue does not intertwine the government and religion all that spectacularly but it's wrong and some Republicans take it to far. Meh

Some Republicans take it to far? Only 7% DON'T want mysticism taught in public schools. Half the states want to "teach the controversy".

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
This is mythology. The right does not dissdain these things, they just prefer that they don't have to live off the government tit

Just the fact that you say something so idiotic. I guess NASA "lives off the government"? Universities live off the government? This is evidence of Republican "disdain" for intellectuals. Next you'll be saying, "Teach the controversy".

14. Fraudulent Elections
Bush won, suck it. However, ACORN comes to mind

Acorn? Sure some people were fraudulently registered, but NOT 10 million (last election). Bush was decided by the Supreme Court 5 to 4, wasn't that the vote? And certainly, Paul Newman, Mickey Mouse and Clark Kent NEVER showed up to vote a single time. This was a "made up" issue.

Sorry, your attempt at "nonpartisan" gets a "D+" because I didn't disagree with everything.

Not trying to be nonpartisan. Just saying I'm not a Republican and taking your question at face value.

I don't want religion in public schools and wont teach it to my kids, however the best solution is to get rid of "public" schools. Universities too should be private. So should NASA that does not mean I'm anti-tang. And it's inarguable that NASA and most Universities "live off government".

Also, dude, not the plave for Bush/Florida conspiracy theories. Yeah, important issues were settled by the SC but that's because the Florida State SC screwed up. The recounts eventually happened (unofficial via the NYT and others) and Bush got more legit votes.

I'd give myself a "solid B+".

 

[Xenophon]

Progressive nanny state part deux:

Manzanar Internment camp, set up by progressive hero Franklin Roosevelt, to imprison those dirty little yello bastard Nisei (who just happened to be American citizens, a minor detail FDR had the Supreme Court take care of)

Want to keep playing clyde, or do you concede that comparing Gitmo to the true gulags set up by FDR & Lenin trump any other lame attempt you want to make.

I have plenty more if you want too.

 

[ihopehefails]

From the same expert on CON$ervoFascism:

Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism,
both in the political and the economic sphere.
- BENITO MUSSOLINI

Some of us think that people calling themselves liberals today are not liberals at all.

The way Mussolini understood liberalism, you are right. Fascist despised what American's now call classical liberalism. You know, just like progressives hate classical liberalism.

As far as Corporatism goes, just think Fannie and Freddie, or Amtrack and now GM, or most of healthcare if they can get it. (or post office etc etc...)

I agree. Modern liberals are not liberals whatsoever. Conservatives, albeit imperfect, are more liberal that 'liberals'. Do you know what I mean?

 

[Bfgrn]

Yea...the conservative nanny state...

Yea, the Progressive nanny state...

Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.

One man with a gun can control 100 without one.

The goal of socialism is communism.

The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses.

The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.

There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel.

When there is state there can be no freedom, but when there is freedom there will be no state.

Vladimir Lenin , Progessive 'hero' of the masses and father of the nanny state.

AGAIN...
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer

Lenin was no hero of liberals or progressives. Lenin and Stalin were conservative to the core. You fall victim to the typical right wing affliction; parochial indoctrination; a view of the WHOLE world through only your narrow American indoctrination lens. You can't place 'western' values and American ideals and beliefs on humans raised in totally different cultures. Do you REALLY think Lenin and Stalin were taught from an early age that free markets and capitalism are intrinsic cultural values and orthodoxy that the Russian society must preserve?

The Difference Between Socialism and Communism
Socialism is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the economy works. Democracy is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the government works. "Democracy," said Marx, "is the road to socialism." He was wrong about how economics and politics interact, but he did see their similar underpinnings.

Communism is conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just the Party Secretary) have any say in how the economy works. Republicans are conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just people controlling the Party figurehead) have any say in how the government works. The conservatives in the US are in the same position as the communists in the 30s, and for the same reason: Their revolutions failed spectacularly but they refuse to admit what went wrong.

A common mistake is to confuse Socialism, the economic system, with Communism, the political system. Communists are "socialist" in the same way that Republicans are "compassionate conservatives". That is, they give lip service to ideals they have no intention of practicing.

Communism, or "scientific socialism", has very little to do with Marx. Communism was originally envisioned by Marx and Engels as the last stages of their socialist revolution. "The meaning of the word communism shifted after 1917, when Vladimir Lenin and his Bolshevik Party seized power in Russia. The Bolsheviks changed their name to the Communist Party and installed a repressive, single-party regime devoted to the implementation of socialist policies." (quote from Encarta.). Those socialist policies were never implemented.

 

[Bfgrn]

Progressive nanny state part deux:

Manzanar Internment camp, set up by progressive hero Franklin Roosevelt, to imprison those dirty little yello bastard Nisei (who just happened to be American citizens, a minor detail FDR had the Supreme Court take care of)

Want to keep playing clyde, or do you concede that comparing Gitmo to the true gulags set up by FDR & Lenin trump any other lame attempt you want to make.

I have plenty more if you want too.

Certainly not America's or FDR's finest moment. But do you have sources showing any conservatives or Republicans who opposed this horrible policy? The opposition came from liberals, most notably the President's own WIFE, First lady Eleanor Roosevelt.

Anti-Japanese sentiment didn't start with FDR, it was a cultural ignorance that permeated our society.

You need to look beyond JUST FDR.

Lieutenant General John L. DeWitt, head of the Western Command, sought approval to conduct search and seizure operations aimed at preventing alien Japanese from making radio transmissions to Japanese ships. The Justice Department declined, however, stating that there was no probable cause to support DeWitt's assertion, as the FBI concluded that there was no security threat. On January 2, the Joint Immigration Committee of the California Legislature sent a manifesto to California newspapers which attacked "the ethnic Japanese," whom it alleged were "totally unassimilable." This manifesto further argued that all people of Japanese heritage were loyal subjects of the Emperor of Japan; Japanese language schools, furthermore, according to the manifesto, were bastions of racism which advanced doctrines of Japanese racial superiority.

The manifesto was backed by the Native Sons and Daughters of the Golden West and the California Department of the American Legion, which in January demanded that all Japanese with dual citizenship be placed in concentration camps. Internment was not limited to those who had been to Japan, but included a small number of German and Italian enemy aliens. By February, Earl Warren (Republican), the Attorney General of California, had begun his efforts to persuade the federal government to remove all people of Japanese heritage from the West Coast.

Civilian and military officials had concerns about the loyalty of the ethnic Japanese, although these concerns seemed to stem more from racial prejudice than actual risk. Major Karl Bendetsen and Lieutenant General John L. DeWitt each questioned Japanese American loyalty. DeWitt, who administered the internment program, repeatedly told newspapers that "A Jap's a Jap" and testified to Congress,

"I don't want any of them [persons of Japanese ancestry] here. They are a dangerous element. There is no way to determine their loyalty... It makes no difference whether he is an American citizen, he is still a Japanese. American citizenship does not necessarily determine loyalty... But we must worry about the Japanese all the time until he is wiped off the map."

Non-military advocates for exclusion, removal, and detention

Internment was popular among many white farmers who resented the Japanese-American farmers. "White American farmers admitted that their self-interest required removal of the Japanese." These individuals saw internment as a convenient means of uprooting their Japanese American competitors"

State politicians joined the bandwagon that was embraced by Leland Ford (Republican) of Los Angeles, who demanded that "all Japanese, whether citizens or not, be placed in [inland] concentration camps.
wiki

 

[editec]

There are times when a well known meme is, upon further inspection, clearly the reverse.

Fascism is regularly identified with Conservativism.

But try to define 'fascism,' and a straight line can be drawn between the definition and modern liberalism.

Some of the definitions are as follows:

1. Palingenetic ultranationalism is a theory concerning generic fascism formulated by British political theorist Roger Griffin. The key elements are that fascism can be defined by its core myth, namely that of "national rebirth" — palingenesis. (Palingenesis is the concept of mythic rebirth from the ashes, embodied by the Phoenix.

2. Stanley Payne's work, which offers a "typological definition" of fascism:

a. Creation of a new nationalist authoritarian state based not merely on traditional principles or models

b. Organization of some new kind of regulated, multiclass, integrated national economic structure, whether called national corporatist, national socialist, or national syndicalist

c. Specific espousal of an idealist, voluntarist creed, normally involving the attempt to realize a new form of modern, self-determined, secular culture

d. Attempted mass mobilization with militarization of political relationships and style and with the goal of a mass party militia

e. Positive evaluation and use of, or willingness to use, violence

f. Exaltation of youth above other phases of life, emphasizing the conflict of generations, at least in effecting the initial political transformation

g. Specific tendency toward an authoritarian, charismatic, personal style of command, whether or not the command is to some degree initially elective7
Stanley Payne, Fascism: Comparison and Definition (Madison: University of Wisconsin Press, 1980), p. 7.


3. Emilio Gentile: "A mass movement, that combines different classes, but is predominantly of the middle classes, which sees itself as having a mission of national regeneration, is in a state of war with its adversaries and seeks a monopoly of power by using terror, parliamentary tactics, and compromise to create a new regime, destroying democracy." Stanley Payne, Fascism: Comparison and Definition (Madison: University of Wisconsin Press, 1980), p. 5 n.6


And, the most precise and telling definition that I have come across:

4. "Fascism is a religion of the state. It is totalitarian in that it assumes everything is political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good. It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, whether by force or through regulation and social pressure. Everything, including the economy and religion, must be aligned with its objectives. Any rival identity is defined as the enemy. American liberalism embodies all of these aspects of fascism." Jonah Goldberg, Liberal Fascism, p. 23

The world you're seaching for, and have mistakenly described as FASCISM, is totalitarianism.

While Hitlerian Facism was totalitarian, not all totalitarians are FACISTS.

Stalin wasn't a FACIST, but he clearly was a totalitarian.

 

[William Joyce]

There are times when a well known meme is, upon further inspection, clearly the reverse.

Fascism is regularly identified with Conservativism.

But try to define 'fascism,' and a straight line can be drawn between the definition and modern liberalism.

Some of the definitions are as follows:

1. Palingenetic ultranationalism is a theory concerning generic fascism formulated by British political theorist Roger Griffin. The key elements are that fascism can be defined by its core myth, namely that of "national rebirth" — palingenesis. (Palingenesis is the concept of mythic rebirth from the ashes, embodied by the Phoenix.

2. Stanley Payne's work, which offers a "typological definition" of fascism:

a. Creation of a new nationalist authoritarian state based not merely on traditional principles or models

b. Organization of some new kind of regulated, multiclass, integrated national economic structure, whether called national corporatist, national socialist, or national syndicalist

c. Specific espousal of an idealist, voluntarist creed, normally involving the attempt to realize a new form of modern, self-determined, secular culture

d. Attempted mass mobilization with militarization of political relationships and style and with the goal of a mass party militia

e. Positive evaluation and use of, or willingness to use, violence

f. Exaltation of youth above other phases of life, emphasizing the conflict of generations, at least in effecting the initial political transformation

g. Specific tendency toward an authoritarian, charismatic, personal style of command, whether or not the command is to some degree initially elective7
Stanley Payne, Fascism: Comparison and Definition (Madison: University of Wisconsin Press, 1980), p. 7.


3. Emilio Gentile: "A mass movement, that combines different classes, but is predominantly of the middle classes, which sees itself as having a mission of national regeneration, is in a state of war with its adversaries and seeks a monopoly of power by using terror, parliamentary tactics, and compromise to create a new regime, destroying democracy." Stanley Payne, Fascism: Comparison and Definition (Madison: University of Wisconsin Press, 1980), p. 5 n.6


And, the most precise and telling definition that I have come across:

4. "Fascism is a religion of the state. It is totalitarian in that it assumes everything is political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good. It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, whether by force or through regulation and social pressure. Everything, including the economy and religion, must be aligned with its objectives. Any rival identity is defined as the enemy. American liberalism embodies all of these aspects of fascism." Jonah Goldberg, Liberal Fascism, p. 23

Sigh... basically what you want to say is "Liberals are the real Nazis/racists. Conservatives are the heirs of Martin Luther King, Jr."

Why are you expending so much time and mental energy on DENYING THE ESSENTIAL WHITENESS OF CONSERVATISM?

Conservatives basically fight with liberals with BOTH HANDS tied behind their back. The true strength of conservatism lies in the talents and energies of WHITE PEOPLE, and defending them is what's really going on. But conservatives won't admit that. They instead insist that these airy generalities like "freedom" or "individualism" is what they're really about. They read Hayek, Rand, etc. and figure that's the real deal.

It's not.

The real deal is WHITE PEOPLE.

 

[Xenophon]

Progressive nanny state part deux:

Manzanar Internment camp, set up by progressive hero Franklin Roosevelt, to imprison those dirty little yello bastard Nisei (who just happened to be American citizens, a minor detail FDR had the Supreme Court take care of)

Want to keep playing clyde, or do you concede that comparing Gitmo to the true gulags set up by FDR & Lenin trump any other lame attempt you want to make.

I have plenty more if you want too.

Certainly not America's or FDR's finest moment. But do you have sources showing any conservatives or Republicans who opposed this horrible policy? The opposition came from liberals, most notably the President's own WIFE, First lady Eleanor Roosevelt.

Anti-Japanese sentiment didn't start with FDR, it was a cultural ignorance that permeated our society.

You need to look beyond JUST FDR.

Lieutenant General John L. DeWitt, head of the Western Command, sought approval to conduct search and seizure operations aimed at preventing alien Japanese from making radio transmissions to Japanese ships. The Justice Department declined, however, stating that there was no probable cause to support DeWitt's assertion, as the FBI concluded that there was no security threat. On January 2, the Joint Immigration Committee of the California Legislature sent a manifesto to California newspapers which attacked "the ethnic Japanese," whom it alleged were "totally unassimilable." This manifesto further argued that all people of Japanese heritage were loyal subjects of the Emperor of Japan; Japanese language schools, furthermore, according to the manifesto, were bastions of racism which advanced doctrines of Japanese racial superiority.

The manifesto was backed by the Native Sons and Daughters of the Golden West and the California Department of the American Legion, which in January demanded that all Japanese with dual citizenship be placed in concentration camps. Internment was not limited to those who had been to Japan, but included a small number of German and Italian enemy aliens. By February, Earl Warren (Republican), the Attorney General of California, had begun his efforts to persuade the federal government to remove all people of Japanese heritage from the West Coast.

Civilian and military officials had concerns about the loyalty of the ethnic Japanese, although these concerns seemed to stem more from racial prejudice than actual risk. Major Karl Bendetsen and Lieutenant General John L. DeWitt each questioned Japanese American loyalty. DeWitt, who administered the internment program, repeatedly told newspapers that "A Jap's a Jap" and testified to Congress,

"I don't want any of them [persons of Japanese ancestry] here. They are a dangerous element. There is no way to determine their loyalty... It makes no difference whether he is an American citizen, he is still a Japanese. American citizenship does not necessarily determine loyalty... But we must worry about the Japanese all the time until he is wiped off the map."

Non-military advocates for exclusion, removal, and detention

Internment was popular among many white farmers who resented the Japanese-American farmers. "White American farmers admitted that their self-interest required removal of the Japanese." These individuals saw internment as a convenient means of uprooting their Japanese American competitors"

State politicians joined the bandwagon that was embraced by Leland Ford (Republican) of Los Angeles, who demanded that "all Japanese, whether citizens or not, be placed in [inland] concentration camps.
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This has to be the absolute lamest attempt yet to spin.

'FDR really isn't to blame, it was Republicans!'

HA HA HA

Executive Order 9066 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Executive Order 9066 was with rescinded by Gerald Ford on February 19, 1976.

On August 10, 1988, the Civil Liberties Act of 1988, based on the CWRIC recommendations, was signed into law by Ronald Reagan. On November 21, 1989, George H.W. Bush signed an appropriation bill authorizing payments to be paid out between 1990 and 1998. In 1990, surviving internees began to receive individual redress payments and a letter of apology.

You are 0-2 clyde.