Fascism: The Father of American Liberalism.

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    There are times when a well known meme is, upon further inspection, clearly the reverse.

    Fascism is regularly identified with Conservativism.

    But try to define 'fascism,' and a straight line can be drawn between the definition and modern liberalism.

    Some of the definitions are as follows:

    1. Palingenetic ultranationalism is a theory concerning generic fascism formulated by British political theorist Roger Griffin. The key elements are that fascism can be defined by its core myth, namely that of "national rebirth" — palingenesis. (Palingenesis is the concept of mythic rebirth from the ashes, embodied by the Phoenix.

    2. Stanley Payne's work, which offers a "typological definition" of fascism:

    a. Creation of a new nationalist authoritarian state based not merely on traditional principles or models

    b. Organization of some new kind of regulated, multiclass, integrated national economic structure, whether called national corporatist, national socialist, or national syndicalist

    c. Specific espousal of an idealist, voluntarist creed, normally involving the attempt to realize a new form of modern, self-determined, secular culture

    d. Attempted mass mobilization with militarization of political relationships and style and with the goal of a mass party militia

    e. Positive evaluation and use of, or willingness to use, violence

    f. Exaltation of youth above other phases of life, emphasizing the conflict of generations, at least in effecting the initial political transformation

    g. Specific tendency toward an authoritarian, charismatic, personal style of command, whether or not the command is to some degree initially elective7
    Stanley Payne, Fascism: Comparison and Definition (Madison: University of Wisconsin Press, 1980), p. 7.


    3. Emilio Gentile: "A mass movement, that combines different classes, but is predominantly of the middle classes, which sees itself as having a mission of national regeneration, is in a state of war with its adversaries and seeks a monopoly of power by using terror, parliamentary tactics, and compromise to create a new regime, destroying democracy." Stanley Payne, Fascism: Comparison and Definition (Madison: University of Wisconsin Press, 1980), p. 5 n.6


    And, the most precise and telling definition that I have come across:

    4. "Fascism is a religion of the state. It is totalitarian in that it assumes everything is political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good. It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, whether by force or through regulation and social pressure. Everything, including the economy and religion, must be aligned with its objectives. Any rival identity is defined as the enemy. American liberalism embodies all of these aspects of fascism." Jonah Goldberg, Liberal Fascism, p. 23
     
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    And you pick Jonah Goldberg... the idiot...stupid is as stupid does...



    The 14 Characteristics of Fascism

    The 14 characteristics are:

    1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

    2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

    3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

    4. Supremacy of the Military

    5. Rampant Sexism

    6. Controlled Mass Media

    7. Obsession with National Security

    8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

    9. Corporate Power is Protected

    10. Labor Power is Suppressed

    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

    12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment

    13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

    14. Fraudulent Elections

    No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.
    Edmund Burke
     
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    PC, you are distorting Griffin's concern with the right as it it is the left which he examines. That is not the case. For instance, "Roger Griffin has also published numerous articles and chapters relating to fascism and ultra-nationalism both inter-war and post-war (see publications list), as well as developing a specialist interest in related issues, including neo-fascism and new forms of radical right (e.g. ‘ethnocratic liberalism’ and the ‘groupuscular right’), national identity, racism, multi- culturalism and multi-ethnicity, modernity, globalization, ecologism, and the psycho-historical dynamics of terrorism. Roger Griffin | Oxford Brookes University

    You have to be fair to the source before you extend it.
     
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    Fascism dismantles the free market system, which leads to tyranny. But the problem is that unfettered markets lead to the same result.
     
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    Oh, brother. :rolleyes:
     
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    Dude, that is the only thing you can say because I am right.:eusa_whistle:
     
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    You are, of course, correct re: Griffin. I chose the snippet, actually, to lay the groundwork for the Goldberg quote.

    I had intended a much longer post, but mine often become unwieldy.
     
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    Great book Dude and right on point with respect to the topic at hand, Hayek was definitely showing some prescience when he wrote it, I'd also add "Our Enemy, The State" by Albert Jay Nock (1935) as being equally relevant to the topic.

    As far as Facism being the "father" of modern liberalism (I assume the OP is referring to American Progressivism), I'd say it's more of a sibling than a parent.
     
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    Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

    PoliticalChic got it right the first time, as did Goldberg. (who is a far better source than that goofball Rense)
     

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