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NewGuy
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Originally posted by Mustafa
That is what this whole thing is about anyway.
Lush, this thing was about abortion.
You inject your word "soul" into the meaning and text and then ambibuously state life and death are not the only states of existance in a womb. -Then you claim only death is.
You are so jacked up. Still you refuse to believe Godly scripture, and make up your own, then try to prove it.
Newguy:The question you posed was killing -not having a soul. The answer you stated was that life does not exist before birth. You just have been proven wrong again, soul or not.
Mouthoffa:Have you ever stepped on an ant or chopped a tree or caught a fish before? If you have you are a killer as you have taken a life. Even your lord Jesus killed innocent life when he destroyed a living fig tree and living swine. Of course you both are guilty of taking LIFE and must go to hell for it.
Riggghhht. Being a jew, you don't go to hell for killing anything? Oh, thats right, you must be sacrificing things to atone for sins, right?
Whatever.
As if you know anything about Jesus. The fig tree was already explained to you.
Jesus was a Jew as well. Did you forget? your backwards thinking makes excuses for yourself and condemn Jesus when you are explaining away your man-made morality.
Why? Because you have a God complex. You have decided you can BE God by being a doctor. You have decided all humans are beneath you save those who worship you. There is not enough room in your ego for both you and God.
Jesus provides a rival for your ego, and can PROVE He is/was God. You cannot. The Bible proves He walked as God in the flesh. You reject that. It threatens your ego.
Whenever someone proves this to you, you get into some rage and personal attacks trying to climb a ladder of superiority which only reveals a miserable soul running from truth.
Don't forget your ripple.
Newguy:The relevancy is in the life......as directed by your question, is it alive? That is all your stance has declaired relevant.
Mouthoffa:By whom? You? What a joke? Your ignorant stance and you are quite irrelevant.
And again, you take something you said which I repeated back to you, and you claim I quoted it.
Are you drinking on the JOB as well?
The verse proves nothing on your stance. According to your logic, caesarian is not being born since it prematurely takes a baby away from the mother before potentially being fully developed. By the same token, that would mean there is no soul in a live creature.NewGuyretty cool. How does THIS work then -"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."-----When he had no soul because he wasn't BORN? He must have been alive or dead, but you claim neither yet you claim not having a soul is death.
Mouthoffa:Your own bible verse proves my contention. Even before he formed man and women in the womb or even while the human was forming, the L-rd knew the soul which he would later place into the new baby once the first breath is taken. Before that the forming embryo has no more life than a bacteria, which is alive but as far as we know has no human soul. Once you were alive but now you are stupid.
Lemme guess. Your next statement would be: "Not true, if a doctor delivers it, he gives it a soul."
Mouthoffa:I see you don't want to know what the Bible says about this subject as that would be too much for you to grasp. It all rests in symantics and what you and anti-life people believe. It is better to kill a living doctor than to terminate a non-Soul bearing piece of flesh.
Did I say anything about it being good to kill any doctors?
It is interesting how you twist posts.
From the King James VERSION of the New Testament
Mouthoffa:
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 7:22
All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Exodus 21
22 "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely [1] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows.
23 But if there is serious injury (death of the pregnant woman), you are to take life for life,
Incorrectly quoting scripture again?
Lets try the correct statements:
First, anyone with a clue can see the first reference you brought up is in reference to what died in a flood, not a reference to the definition of life:
"Genesis 7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
Since God breathed the life into man, this was a statement of absolute solidarity in the fact that all men and all animals by all definitions died.
You took it totally out of context and twisted it. -AGAIN.
The second statement:
"Exodus 21:21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,"
Mischief:'acown, aws-sone': of uncertain derivation; hurt:--mischief.
Mischief does not mean "death of a pregnant woman".
Gee. You did it again. Out of scripture, you derive your own twisted meaning.
1) The SOUL which is the LIFE of man occurs from the first man ADAM to every human being to this very day and only after the dust that is used to form the human body in the womb gets its life (SOUL) once it takes it's first breath.
If that were true, the Bible would say that sort of thing which I have proven to you with 4 references now that it does not.
2) If a women misscarries because she is accidentally struck by two men fighting, the penalty for loss of the non-living future human is a fine to the father because of a lost future worker but if the living (SOUL bearing woman) is killed or injured then a life has been lost and can be payed for with a 'life for a life.'
Nice rationalization. Too bad scripture doesn't say nor imply that. Your philosophy and God complex, however, demand it does so you misstate and twist scripture.
Take a deep breath now, sip your Kentucky wiskey and go the bathroom.
I don't drink. Alcohol is for the weak minded.
These facts about when a person becomes ALIVE and has that part of G-d which we call a SOUL is placed into that lump of dust or flesh.
Facts are proven information which cannot be logically proven disputed. You do not show such things.
It does not say that killing a tree is taking a life but nevertheless the tree is as alive as that embryo forming in the womb.
The life in the womb, as dictated by scripture is in relationship with God before birth. -Wether you choose to read scripture or not has no bearing on the statement contained within declairing such.
It is very possible that when Dr. Frankenstein was thinking of you when he said, "Its Alive, Its Alive!"
Really?
So you DO think doctors are gods.
I knew it.