Everyone knows the US is doing in the Middle East exactly what Israel planned for decades? Right?

[Linkiloo]

Whenever a case pertains to events in the Middle East, Hasbara is far more that a meme; it is a systematic propaganda effort to justify western imperialism and colonialism from the "brook of the Nile to the Euphrates."

"Israeli Propaganda Isn't Fooling Anyone – Except Israelis
'Hasbara' is the Israeli euphemism for propaganda, and there are some things, said the late ambassador Yohanan Meroz, that are not 'hasbarable.' One of them is Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians."

Israeli propaganda isn't fooling anyone – except Israelis

Isn't it amazing how a billion Arabs, some of which are the world's wealthiest people, can't fix things for those poor Palis?

I have trouble seeing Arab responsibility for the plight of today's Palestinians?

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

Maybe we should send the bill to

That because you believe in revisionist history.
Revisionist history, at this point in time, is becoming more and more irrelevant to most of the civilized world.

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Arabs start war.
Arabs lose.
Arabs cry.

Arabs blow themselves up and return to Allah.
Arabs create maps that begin with "Palestine", a geographical area belonging to all residents, and then end with Israel.
Arabs can't make a new start for themselves like all others do who are displaced by war, famine and other events.
Arabs can't look forward but seek their grater empire, all the while claiming others do.
Cognitive dissonance.

 

[irosie91]

In their own words, no one has to make this up. The US is executing Israel's long held plan of regime change across the Arab world, starting with Iraq.

Oded Yinon, Israeli Foreign Ministry, "A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties":

"Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria...Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon..."

Douglas Feith, David Wurmser, Neocons in the George W. Bush administration wrote BEFORE 9/11 in "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel)" 1996:

"Israel can shape its strategic environment...by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq..."

Feith wrote that paper for Netanyahu. He later became Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, with the highest security clearances and access to the nation's defenses before 9/11.

And General Wes Clark let the cat of of the bag that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction. It was part of a bigger plan, driven by the Zionist Neocons in the Bush White House:

"...we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." -General Wesley Clark, 2007

And it all started with 9/11. Who was in NYC cheering and high-fiving the burning towers? Israeli Mossad agents.

It's all in our faces, in black and white. American blood and treasure, national solvency, all gone for Israel. I nominate Americans for the stupidest suckers in world history.



Oded Yinon

It is hard to comprehend how Yinon could write in the 1980s about the destruction of Iraq and Syria as part of a long term goal for Israeli supremacy over the Middle East; obviously, he was a man ahead of his times.

Did he anticipate the fall of the USSR?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

"At the outset of the nineteen eighties the State of Israel is in need of a new perspective as to its place, its aims and national targets, at home and abroad.

"This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. We are living today in the early stages of a new epoch in human history which is not at all similar to its predecessor, and its characteristics are totally different from what we have hitherto known.

"That is why we need an understanding of the central processes which typify this historical epoch on the one hand, and on the other hand we need a world outlook and an operational strategy in accordance with the new conditions.

"The existence, prosperity and steadfastness of the Jewish state will depend upon its ability to adopt a new framework for its domestic and foreign affairs."

very astute>>>>"This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. He was right

 

[irosie91]

Islamic law exists to serve the interests of the Muslim community and of Islam. [Therefore,] to save Muslim lives and for the sake of Islam's survival it is obligatory to lie, it is obligatory to drink wine* [if necessary]."
-- Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, July 31, 1981.

*Intoxicants are strictly prohibited in Islam.

SO? in fact not only do muslims drink alcohol-----there is a huge drug addition problem
THRUOUT the Islamic world

 

[Indeependent]

Whenever a case pertains to events in the Middle East, Hasbara is far more that a meme; it is a systematic propaganda effort to justify western imperialism and colonialism from the "brook of the Nile to the Euphrates."

There has always been a Jewish presence in Israel since the end of the last Jewish-Roman war in 135 CE. The Jewish Zainati family from the village of Peki' in trace their unbroken presence in the Land since the Second Temple period. No Arab family can make this claim.

"Israeli Propaganda Isn't Fooling Anyone – Except Israelis
'Hasbara' is the Israeli euphemism for propaganda, and there are some things, said the late ambassador Yohanan Meroz, that are not 'hasbarable.' One of them is Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians."

Israeli propaganda isn't fooling anyone – except Israelis

Isn't it amazing how a billion Arabs, some of which are the world's wealthiest people, can't fix things for those poor Palis?

I have trouble seeing Arab responsibility for the plight of today's Palestinians?

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

Maybe we should send the bill to

That because you believe in revisionist history.
Revisionist history, at this point in time, is becoming more and more irrelevant to most of the civilized world.

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Please explain how a bunch of nomads with no central government or infrastructure ruled the land.

 

[Indeependent]

Islamic law exists to serve the interests of the Muslim community and of Islam. [Therefore,] to save Muslim lives and for the sake of Islam's survival it is obligatory to lie, it is obligatory to drink wine* [if necessary]."
-- Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, July 31, 1981.

*Intoxicants are strictly prohibited in Islam.

But beheading is encouraged.

 

[PredFan]

In their own words, no one has to make this up. The US is executing Israel's long held plan of regime change across the Arab world, starting with Iraq.

Oded Yinon, Israeli Foreign Ministry, "A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties":

"Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria...Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon..."

Douglas Feith, David Wurmser, Neocons in the George W. Bush administration wrote BEFORE 9/11 in "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel)" 1996:

"Israel can shape its strategic environment...by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq..."

Feith wrote that paper for Netanyahu. He later became Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, with the highest security clearances and access to the nation's defenses before 9/11.

And General Wes Clark let the cat of of the bag that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction. It was part of a bigger plan, driven by the Zionist Neocons in the Bush White House:

"...we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." -General Wesley Clark, 2007

And it all started with 9/11. Who was in NYC cheering and high-fiving the burning towers? Israeli Mossad agents.

It's all in our faces, in black and white. American blood and treasure, national solvency, all gone for Israel. I nominate Americans for the stupidest suckers in world history.



Oded Yinon

Perhaps Israel has planned it, it’s still the right and justvthing to do.

The other thing that is right and just would be to pound the Palestinians into complete submission. They are murderous ignorant barbarians who have no place in the modern world.

 

[georgephillip]

Whenever a case pertains to events in the Middle East, Hasbara is far more that a meme; it is a systematic propaganda effort to justify western imperialism and colonialism from the "brook of the Nile to the Euphrates."

"Israeli Propaganda Isn't Fooling Anyone – Except Israelis
'Hasbara' is the Israeli euphemism for propaganda, and there are some things, said the late ambassador Yohanan Meroz, that are not 'hasbarable.' One of them is Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians."

Israeli propaganda isn't fooling anyone – except Israelis

Isn't it amazing how a billion Arabs, some of which are the world's wealthiest people, can't fix things for those poor Palis?

I have trouble seeing Arab responsibility for the plight of today's Palestinians?

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

Maybe we should send the bill to

That because you believe in revisionist history.
Revisionist history, at this point in time, is becoming more and more irrelevant to most of the civilized world.

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Arabs start war.
Arabs lose.
Arabs cry.

Where did the Jews of Israel get their weapons in 1948?

"We spent the day cleaning off the grease in which the rifles and submachine guns had been packed. They had been manufactured in Czechoslovakia for Adolf Hitler’s army (but arrived too late for World War II). Thus the second phase of the war began."
Who really started the 1948 war and when

 

[irosie91]

Isn't it amazing how a billion Arabs, some of which are the world's wealthiest people, can't fix things for those poor Palis?

I have trouble seeing Arab responsibility for the plight of today's Palestinians?

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

Maybe we should send the bill to

That because you believe in revisionist history.
Revisionist history, at this point in time, is becoming more and more irrelevant to most of the civilized world.

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Please explain how a bunch of nomads with no central government or infrastructure ruled the land.

Isn't it amazing how a billion Arabs, some of which are the world's wealthiest people, can't fix things for those poor Palis?

I have trouble seeing Arab responsibility for the plight of today's Palestinians?

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

Maybe we should send the bill to

That because you believe in revisionist history.
Revisionist history, at this point in time, is becoming more and more irrelevant to most of the civilized world.

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Arabs start war.
Arabs lose.
Arabs cry.

Where did the Jews of Israel get their weapons in 1948?

"We spent the day cleaning off the grease in which the rifles and submachine guns had been packed. They had been manufactured in Czechoslovakia for Adolf Hitler’s army (but arrived too late for World War II). Thus the second phase of the war began."
Who really started the 1948 war and when

some people had old left-over guns from active duty service in other armies and some
were purchased here and there. Your idiot question is kinda like asking ---"where
did the IRA get its guns"?. Where did the arabs get their guns? where to you get
your mushrooms?. My eyewitness says that most of the Israeli soldiers back then were
unarmed.... some depended on "Molotov cocktails"

 

[georgephillip]

In their own words, no one has to make this up. The US is executing Israel's long held plan of regime change across the Arab world, starting with Iraq.

Oded Yinon, Israeli Foreign Ministry, "A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties":

"Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria...Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon..."

Douglas Feith, David Wurmser, Neocons in the George W. Bush administration wrote BEFORE 9/11 in "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel)" 1996:

"Israel can shape its strategic environment...by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq..."

Feith wrote that paper for Netanyahu. He later became Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, with the highest security clearances and access to the nation's defenses before 9/11.

And General Wes Clark let the cat of of the bag that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction. It was part of a bigger plan, driven by the Zionist Neocons in the Bush White House:

"...we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." -General Wesley Clark, 2007

And it all started with 9/11. Who was in NYC cheering and high-fiving the burning towers? Israeli Mossad agents.

It's all in our faces, in black and white. American blood and treasure, national solvency, all gone for Israel. I nominate Americans for the stupidest suckers in world history.



Oded Yinon

It is hard to comprehend how Yinon could write in the 1980s about the destruction of Iraq and Syria as part of a long term goal for Israeli supremacy over the Middle East; obviously, he was a man ahead of his times.

Did he anticipate the fall of the USSR?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

"At the outset of the nineteen eighties the State of Israel is in need of a new perspective as to its place, its aims and national targets, at home and abroad.

"This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. We are living today in the early stages of a new epoch in human history which is not at all similar to its predecessor, and its characteristics are totally different from what we have hitherto known.

"That is why we need an understanding of the central processes which typify this historical epoch on the one hand, and on the other hand we need a world outlook and an operational strategy in accordance with the new conditions.

"The existence, prosperity and steadfastness of the Jewish state will depend upon its ability to adopt a new framework for its domestic and foreign affairs."

very astute>>>>"This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. He was right

Do those central processes you mention include imperialism?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

"The (Yinon) plan operates on two essential premises.

"To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states.

"Small here will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state.

"Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel's satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation."

How would you define Israel's "source of moral legitimation"?

 

[Indeependent]

Isn't it amazing how a billion Arabs, some of which are the world's wealthiest people, can't fix things for those poor Palis?

I have trouble seeing Arab responsibility for the plight of today's Palestinians?

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

Maybe we should send the bill to

That because you believe in revisionist history.
Revisionist history, at this point in time, is becoming more and more irrelevant to most of the civilized world.

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Arabs start war.
Arabs lose.
Arabs cry.

Where did the Jews of Israel get their weapons in 1948?

"We spent the day cleaning off the grease in which the rifles and submachine guns had been packed. They had been manufactured in Czechoslovakia for Adolf Hitler’s army (but arrived too late for World War II). Thus the second phase of the war began."
Who really started the 1948 war and when

From American Jews.
What happened to the billions given to the Palis and Gazans?
It went into bombs.

 

[Aba Incieni]

Yes...mature adults always present their case using a meme.

Whenever a case pertains to events in the Middle East, Hasbara is far more that a meme; it is a systematic propaganda effort to justify western imperialism and colonialism from the "brook of the Nile to the Euphrates."

"Israeli Propaganda Isn't Fooling Anyone – Except Israelis
'Hasbara' is the Israeli euphemism for propaganda, and there are some things, said the late ambassador Yohanan Meroz, that are not 'hasbarable.' One of them is Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians."

Israeli propaganda isn't fooling anyone – except Israelis

Isn't it amazing how a billion Arabs, some of which are the world's wealthiest people, can't fix things for those poor Palis?

I have trouble seeing Arab responsibility for the plight of today's Palestinians?

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

Maybe we should send the bill to

Maybe, but they would just mark it return to sender.

The League of Nations established Palestine and the United Nations followed suit with Israel 20 years later.

Neither the League of Nations nor the UN would have become involved with relocating thousands of European Jews to a "land without a people," without Lord Rothschild and the Zionists agitation.

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

"The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The text of the declaration was published in the press on 9 November 1917..."

"The opening words of the declaration represented the first public expression of support for Zionism by a major political power.

"The term 'national home' had no precedent in international law, and was intentionally vague as to whether a Jewish state was contemplated.

"The intended boundaries of Palestine were not specified, and the British government later confirmed that the words 'in Palestine' meant that the Jewish national home was not intended to cover all of Palestine.

"The second half of the declaration was added to satisfy opponents of the policy, who had claimed that it would otherwise prejudice the position of the local population of Palestine and encourage antisemitism worldwide by 'stamping the Jews as strangers in their native lands'"

Would have, could have, should have.

They did.

 

[Aba Incieni]

In their own words, no one has to make this up. The US is executing Israel's long held plan of regime change across the Arab world, starting with Iraq.

Oded Yinon, Israeli Foreign Ministry, "A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties":

"Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria...Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon..."

Douglas Feith, David Wurmser, Neocons in the George W. Bush administration wrote BEFORE 9/11 in "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel)" 1996:

"Israel can shape its strategic environment...by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq..."

Feith wrote that paper for Netanyahu. He later became Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, with the highest security clearances and access to the nation's defenses before 9/11.

And General Wes Clark let the cat of of the bag that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction. It was part of a bigger plan, driven by the Zionist Neocons in the Bush White House:

"...we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." -General Wesley Clark, 2007

And it all started with 9/11. Who was in NYC cheering and high-fiving the burning towers? Israeli Mossad agents.

It's all in our faces, in black and white. American blood and treasure, national solvency, all gone for Israel. I nominate Americans for the stupidest suckers in world history.



Oded Yinon

It is hard to comprehend how Yinon could write in the 1980s about the destruction of Iraq and Syria as part of a long term goal for Israeli supremacy over the Middle East; obviously, he was a man ahead of his times.

Did he anticipate the fall of the USSR?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

"At the outset of the nineteen eighties the State of Israel is in need of a new perspective as to its place, its aims and national targets, at home and abroad.

"This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. We are living today in the early stages of a new epoch in human history which is not at all similar to its predecessor, and its characteristics are totally different from what we have hitherto known.

"That is why we need an understanding of the central processes which typify this historical epoch on the one hand, and on the other hand we need a world outlook and an operational strategy in accordance with the new conditions.

"The existence, prosperity and steadfastness of the Jewish state will depend upon its ability to adopt a new framework for its domestic and foreign affairs."

very astute>>>>"This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. He was right

Do those central processes you mention include imperialism?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

"The (Yinon) plan operates on two essential premises.

"To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states.

"Small here will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state.

"Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel's satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation."

How would you define Israel's "source of moral legitimation"?

By becoming a world power and economy, growing lush orchards from the same rubble that still exists in Palestine. All in half a century.

 

[MaryAnne11]

In their own words, no one has to make this up. The US is executing Israel's long held plan of regime change across the Arab world, starting with Iraq.

Oded Yinon, Israeli Foreign Ministry, "A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties":

"Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria...Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon..."

Douglas Feith, David Wurmser, Neocons in the George W. Bush administration wrote BEFORE 9/11 in "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel)" 1996:

"Israel can shape its strategic environment...by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq..."

Feith wrote that paper for Netanyahu. He later became Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, with the highest security clearances and access to the nation's defenses before 9/11.

And General Wes Clark let the cat of of the bag that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction. It was part of a bigger plan, driven by the Zionist Neocons in the Bush White House:

"...we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." -General Wesley Clark, 2007

And it all started with 9/11. Who was in NYC cheering and high-fiving the burning towers? Israeli Mossad agents.

It's all in our faces, in black and white. American blood and treasure, national solvency, all gone for Israel. I nominate Americans for the stupidest suckers in world history.



Oded Yinon

You posted exactly what I have seen all along.

Who was it caped Doug Feith,” The dumbest man on earth” and now we have John Bolton, second dumbest.

 

[georgephillip]

I have trouble seeing Arab responsibility for the plight of today's Palestinians?

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

Maybe we should send the bill to

That because you believe in revisionist history.
Revisionist history, at this point in time, is becoming more and more irrelevant to most of the civilized world.

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Please explain how a bunch of nomads with no central government or infrastructure ruled the land.

I have trouble seeing Arab responsibility for the plight of today's Palestinians?

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

Maybe we should send the bill to

That because you believe in revisionist history.
Revisionist history, at this point in time, is becoming more and more irrelevant to most of the civilized world.

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Arabs start war.
Arabs lose.
Arabs cry.

Where did the Jews of Israel get their weapons in 1948?

"We spent the day cleaning off the grease in which the rifles and submachine guns had been packed. They had been manufactured in Czechoslovakia for Adolf Hitler’s army (but arrived too late for World War II). Thus the second phase of the war began."
Who really started the 1948 war and when

some people had old left-over guns from active duty service in other armies and some
were purchased here and there. Your idiot question is kinda like asking ---"where
did the IRA get its guns"?. Where did the arabs get their guns? where to you get
your mushrooms?. My eyewitness says that most of the Israeli soldiers back then were
unarmed.... some depended on "Molotov cocktails"

"Between June 1947 and October 31, 1949 the Jewish agency (later to become the Israeli government) seeking weapons for Operation Balak, made several purchases of weapons in Czechoslovakia, some of them of former German army weapons, captured by the Czechoslovak army on its national territory, or newly produced German weapons from Czechoslovakia's post-war production.

"In this deal, sale activities of Czechoslovak arms factories were coordinated by a special-purpose department of the Československé závody strojírenské a kovodělné, n.p.(Czechoslovak Metal-Working and Engineering Works, Nat.Ent.) Holding, called Sekretariát D (Secretariat D), headed by Gen. Jan Heřman (ret.).

"The deliveries from Czechoslovakia proved important for the establishment of Israel."

Arms shipments from Czechoslovakia to Israel 1947–49 - Wikipedia

 

[Indeependent]

That because you believe in revisionist history.
Revisionist history, at this point in time, is becoming more and more irrelevant to most of the civilized world.

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Please explain how a bunch of nomads with no central government or infrastructure ruled the land.

That because you believe in revisionist history.
Revisionist history, at this point in time, is becoming more and more irrelevant to most of the civilized world.

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Arabs start war.
Arabs lose.
Arabs cry.

Where did the Jews of Israel get their weapons in 1948?

"We spent the day cleaning off the grease in which the rifles and submachine guns had been packed. They had been manufactured in Czechoslovakia for Adolf Hitler’s army (but arrived too late for World War II). Thus the second phase of the war began."
Who really started the 1948 war and when

some people had old left-over guns from active duty service in other armies and some
were purchased here and there. Your idiot question is kinda like asking ---"where
did the IRA get its guns"?. Where did the arabs get their guns? where to you get
your mushrooms?. My eyewitness says that most of the Israeli soldiers back then were
unarmed.... some depended on "Molotov cocktails"

"Between June 1947 and October 31, 1949 the Jewish agency (later to become the Israeli government) seeking weapons for Operation Balak, made several purchases of weapons in Czechoslovakia, some of them of former German army weapons, captured by the Czechoslovak army on its national territory, or newly produced German weapons from Czechoslovakia's post-war production.

"In this deal, sale activities of Czechoslovak arms factories were coordinated by a special-purpose department of the Československé závody strojírenské a kovodělné, n.p.(Czechoslovak Metal-Working and Engineering Works, Nat.Ent.) Holding, called Sekretariát D (Secretariat D), headed by Gen. Jan Heřman (ret.).

"The deliveries from Czechoslovakia proved important for the establishment of Israel."

Arms shipments from Czechoslovakia to Israel 1947–49 - Wikipedia

And the Arabs did dipsquat for their “brothers”.
You can’t escape the fact that Arabs are self serving pieces of shit.

 

[georgephillip]

And the Arabs did dipsquat for their “brothers”.
You can’t escape the fact that Arabs are self serving pieces of shit.

Who told you that?

A greedy Jew?

 

[Aba Incieni]

That because you believe in revisionist history.
Revisionist history, at this point in time, is becoming more and more irrelevant to most of the civilized world.

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Please explain how a bunch of nomads with no central government or infrastructure ruled the land.

That because you believe in revisionist history.
Revisionist history, at this point in time, is becoming more and more irrelevant to most of the civilized world.

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Arabs start war.
Arabs lose.
Arabs cry.

Where did the Jews of Israel get their weapons in 1948?

"We spent the day cleaning off the grease in which the rifles and submachine guns had been packed. They had been manufactured in Czechoslovakia for Adolf Hitler’s army (but arrived too late for World War II). Thus the second phase of the war began."
Who really started the 1948 war and when

some people had old left-over guns from active duty service in other armies and some
were purchased here and there. Your idiot question is kinda like asking ---"where
did the IRA get its guns"?. Where did the arabs get their guns? where to you get
your mushrooms?. My eyewitness says that most of the Israeli soldiers back then were
unarmed.... some depended on "Molotov cocktails"

"Between June 1947 and October 31, 1949 the Jewish agency (later to become the Israeli government) seeking weapons for Operation Balak, made several purchases of weapons in Czechoslovakia, some of them of former German army weapons, captured by the Czechoslovak army on its national territory, or newly produced German weapons from Czechoslovakia's post-war production.

"In this deal, sale activities of Czechoslovak arms factories were coordinated by a special-purpose department of the Československé závody strojírenské a kovodělné, n.p.(Czechoslovak Metal-Working and Engineering Works, Nat.Ent.) Holding, called Sekretariát D (Secretariat D), headed by Gen. Jan Heřman (ret.).

"The deliveries from Czechoslovakia proved important for the establishment of Israel."

Arms shipments from Czechoslovakia to Israel 1947–49 - Wikipedia

Czechoslovakia is one of several countries moving their embassy to Jerusalem. I guess they'll all be moving back to Tel Aviv after Trump leaves office.

Lots of moving in the future.

 

[georgephillip]

In their own words, no one has to make this up. The US is executing Israel's long held plan of regime change across the Arab world, starting with Iraq.

Oded Yinon, Israeli Foreign Ministry, "A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties":

"Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria...Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon..."

Douglas Feith, David Wurmser, Neocons in the George W. Bush administration wrote BEFORE 9/11 in "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel)" 1996:

"Israel can shape its strategic environment...by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq..."

Feith wrote that paper for Netanyahu. He later became Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, with the highest security clearances and access to the nation's defenses before 9/11.

And General Wes Clark let the cat of of the bag that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction. It was part of a bigger plan, driven by the Zionist Neocons in the Bush White House:

"...we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." -General Wesley Clark, 2007

And it all started with 9/11. Who was in NYC cheering and high-fiving the burning towers? Israeli Mossad agents.

It's all in our faces, in black and white. American blood and treasure, national solvency, all gone for Israel. I nominate Americans for the stupidest suckers in world history.



Oded Yinon

It is hard to comprehend how Yinon could write in the 1980s about the destruction of Iraq and Syria as part of a long term goal for Israeli supremacy over the Middle East; obviously, he was a man ahead of his times.

Did he anticipate the fall of the USSR?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

"At the outset of the nineteen eighties the State of Israel is in need of a new perspective as to its place, its aims and national targets, at home and abroad.

"This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. We are living today in the early stages of a new epoch in human history which is not at all similar to its predecessor, and its characteristics are totally different from what we have hitherto known.

"That is why we need an understanding of the central processes which typify this historical epoch on the one hand, and on the other hand we need a world outlook and an operational strategy in accordance with the new conditions.

"The existence, prosperity and steadfastness of the Jewish state will depend upon its ability to adopt a new framework for its domestic and foreign affairs."

very astute>>>>"This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. He was right

Do those central processes you mention include imperialism?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

"The (Yinon) plan operates on two essential premises.

"To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states.

"Small here will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state.

"Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel's satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation."

How would you define Israel's "source of moral legitimation"?

By becoming a world power and economy, growing lush orchards from the same rubble that still exists in Palestine. All in half a century.

Moral legitimation has little to do with material gain, especially when the gains come from stealing farms, homes, businesses, and bank accounts:

The forgotten story of the original Jaffa oranges

"'The citrus industry is perceived in the Israeli consciousness as an exclusively Zionist pioneering effort. In fact, the Palestinian-Arab citrus industry predated it, and for most of the period, until 1948, exceeded it in both physical area and quantity of exports,' Karlinsky and co-author Prof. Mustafa Kabha, from the Open University, wrote in an article recently published in the historical journal Zmanim. (Karlinsky has also published a book in English on the subject: 'California Dreaming: Ideology, Society, and Technology in the Citrus Industry of Palestine, 1890-1939.') "

 

[Aba Incieni]

In their own words, no one has to make this up. The US is executing Israel's long held plan of regime change across the Arab world, starting with Iraq.

Oded Yinon, Israeli Foreign Ministry, "A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties":

Douglas Feith, David Wurmser, Neocons in the George W. Bush administration wrote BEFORE 9/11 in "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel)" 1996:

Feith wrote that paper for Netanyahu. He later became Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, with the highest security clearances and access to the nation's defenses before 9/11.

And General Wes Clark let the cat of of the bag that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction. It was part of a bigger plan, driven by the Zionist Neocons in the Bush White House:

And it all started with 9/11. Who was in NYC cheering and high-fiving the burning towers? Israeli Mossad agents.

It's all in our faces, in black and white. American blood and treasure, national solvency, all gone for Israel. I nominate Americans for the stupidest suckers in world history.



Oded Yinon

It is hard to comprehend how Yinon could write in the 1980s about the destruction of Iraq and Syria as part of a long term goal for Israeli supremacy over the Middle East; obviously, he was a man ahead of his times.

Did he anticipate the fall of the USSR?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

"At the outset of the nineteen eighties the State of Israel is in need of a new perspective as to its place, its aims and national targets, at home and abroad.

"This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. We are living today in the early stages of a new epoch in human history which is not at all similar to its predecessor, and its characteristics are totally different from what we have hitherto known.

"That is why we need an understanding of the central processes which typify this historical epoch on the one hand, and on the other hand we need a world outlook and an operational strategy in accordance with the new conditions.

"The existence, prosperity and steadfastness of the Jewish state will depend upon its ability to adopt a new framework for its domestic and foreign affairs."

very astute>>>>"This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. He was right

Do those central processes you mention include imperialism?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

"The (Yinon) plan operates on two essential premises.

"To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states.

"Small here will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state.

"Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel's satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation."

How would you define Israel's "source of moral legitimation"?

By becoming a world power and economy, growing lush orchards from the same rubble that still exists in Palestine. All in half a century.

Moral legitimation has little to do with material gain, especially when the gains come from stealing farms, homes, businesses, and bank accounts:

The forgotten story of the original Jaffa oranges

"'The citrus industry is perceived in the Israeli consciousness as an exclusively Zionist pioneering effort. In fact, the Palestinian-Arab citrus industry predated it, and for most of the period, until 1948, exceeded it in both physical area and quantity of exports,' Karlinsky and co-author Prof. Mustafa Kabha, from the Open University, wrote in an article recently published in the historical journal Zmanim. (Karlinsky has also published a book in English on the subject: 'California Dreaming: Ideology, Society, and Technology in the Citrus Industry of Palestine, 1890-1939.') "

All of those Palestinian fruit orchards must have blown away like their homeland is about to.

 

[georgephillip]

Isn't it amazing how a billion Arabs, some of which are the world's wealthiest people, can't fix things for those poor Palis?

I have trouble seeing Arab responsibility for the plight of today's Palestinians?

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

Maybe we should send the bill to

That because you believe in revisionist history.
Revisionist history, at this point in time, is becoming more and more irrelevant to most of the civilized world.

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Please explain how a bunch of nomads with no central government or infrastructure ruled the land.

"Brief history • 1516 – 1917 Ottoman Empire • 1917 – 1947 British Mandate – 1917 Balfour declaration • 1948 United Nations proposed partition – Arabs rejected partition – Jews declared the State of IsraelEgypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan invaded but were beaten back"
https://www.elra.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Land-Registry-in-Palestine-by-Joy-Bailey.pdf

What makes you think only Jews are special enough to provide land registration services?