Everyone knows the US is doing in the Middle East exactly what Israel planned for decades? Right?

[georgephillip]

It is hard to comprehend how Yinon could write in the 1980s about the destruction of Iraq and Syria as part of a long term goal for Israeli supremacy over the Middle East; obviously, he was a man ahead of his times.

Did he anticipate the fall of the USSR?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

"At the outset of the nineteen eighties the State of Israel is in need of a new perspective as to its place, its aims and national targets, at home and abroad.

"This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. We are living today in the early stages of a new epoch in human history which is not at all similar to its predecessor, and its characteristics are totally different from what we have hitherto known.

"That is why we need an understanding of the central processes which typify this historical epoch on the one hand, and on the other hand we need a world outlook and an operational strategy in accordance with the new conditions.

"The existence, prosperity and steadfastness of the Jewish state will depend upon its ability to adopt a new framework for its domestic and foreign affairs."

very astute>>>>"This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. He was right

Do those central processes you mention include imperialism?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

"The (Yinon) plan operates on two essential premises.

"To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states.

"Small here will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state.

"Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel's satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation."

How would you define Israel's "source of moral legitimation"?

By becoming a world power and economy, growing lush orchards from the same rubble that still exists in Palestine. All in half a century.

Moral legitimation has little to do with material gain, especially when the gains come from stealing farms, homes, businesses, and bank accounts:

The forgotten story of the original Jaffa oranges

"'The citrus industry is perceived in the Israeli consciousness as an exclusively Zionist pioneering effort. In fact, the Palestinian-Arab citrus industry predated it, and for most of the period, until 1948, exceeded it in both physical area and quantity of exports,' Karlinsky and co-author Prof. Mustafa Kabha, from the Open University, wrote in an article recently published in the historical journal Zmanim. (Karlinsky has also published a book in English on the subject: 'California Dreaming: Ideology, Society, and Technology in the Citrus Industry of Palestine, 1890-1939.') "

All of those Palestinian fruit orchards must have blown away like their homeland is about to.

Are you predicting al-Nakba 2.0?

2018 Gaza border protests - Wikipedia

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

In their own words, no one has to make this up. The US is executing Israel's long held plan of regime change across the Arab world, starting with Iraq.

Oded Yinon, Israeli Foreign Ministry, "A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties":

"Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria...Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon..."

Douglas Feith, David Wurmser, Neocons in the George W. Bush administration wrote BEFORE 9/11 in "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel)" 1996:

"Israel can shape its strategic environment...by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq..."

Feith wrote that paper for Netanyahu. He later became Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, with the highest security clearances and access to the nation's defenses before 9/11.

And General Wes Clark let the cat of of the bag that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction. It was part of a bigger plan, driven by the Zionist Neocons in the Bush White House:

"...we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." -General Wesley Clark, 2007

And it all started with 9/11. Who was in NYC cheering and high-fiving the burning towers? Israeli Mossad agents.

It's all in our faces, in black and white. American blood and treasure, national solvency, all gone for Israel. I nominate Americans for the stupidest suckers in world history.



Oded Yinon

Everyone knows most Americans don't give a fuck........


Except far left morons

 

[Aba Incieni]

very astute>>>>"This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. He was right

Do those central processes you mention include imperialism?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

"The (Yinon) plan operates on two essential premises.

"To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states.

"Small here will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state.

"Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel's satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation."

How would you define Israel's "source of moral legitimation"?

By becoming a world power and economy, growing lush orchards from the same rubble that still exists in Palestine. All in half a century.

Moral legitimation has little to do with material gain, especially when the gains come from stealing farms, homes, businesses, and bank accounts:

The forgotten story of the original Jaffa oranges

"'The citrus industry is perceived in the Israeli consciousness as an exclusively Zionist pioneering effort. In fact, the Palestinian-Arab citrus industry predated it, and for most of the period, until 1948, exceeded it in both physical area and quantity of exports,' Karlinsky and co-author Prof. Mustafa Kabha, from the Open University, wrote in an article recently published in the historical journal Zmanim. (Karlinsky has also published a book in English on the subject: 'California Dreaming: Ideology, Society, and Technology in the Citrus Industry of Palestine, 1890-1939.') "

All of those Palestinian fruit orchards must have blown away like their homeland is about to.

Are you predicting al-Nakba 2.0?

2018 Gaza border protests - Wikipedia

I'm proposing a one state solution. Those Palleys gotta be useful for something besides throwing rocks.

 

[irosie91]

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Please explain how a bunch of nomads with no central government or infrastructure ruled the land.

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Arabs start war.
Arabs lose.
Arabs cry.

Where did the Jews of Israel get their weapons in 1948?

"We spent the day cleaning off the grease in which the rifles and submachine guns had been packed. They had been manufactured in Czechoslovakia for Adolf Hitler’s army (but arrived too late for World War II). Thus the second phase of the war began."
Who really started the 1948 war and when

some people had old left-over guns from active duty service in other armies and some
were purchased here and there. Your idiot question is kinda like asking ---"where
did the IRA get its guns"?. Where did the arabs get their guns? where to you get
your mushrooms?. My eyewitness says that most of the Israeli soldiers back then were
unarmed.... some depended on "Molotov cocktails"

"Between June 1947 and October 31, 1949 the Jewish agency (later to become the Israeli government) seeking weapons for Operation Balak, made several purchases of weapons in Czechoslovakia, some of them of former German army weapons, captured by the Czechoslovak army on its national territory, or newly produced German weapons from Czechoslovakia's post-war production.

"In this deal, sale activities of Czechoslovak arms factories were coordinated by a special-purpose department of the Československé závody strojírenské a kovodělné, n.p.(Czechoslovak Metal-Working and Engineering Works, Nat.Ent.) Holding, called Sekretariát D (Secretariat D), headed by Gen. Jan Heřman (ret.).

"The deliveries from Czechoslovakia proved important for the establishment of Israel."

Arms shipments from Czechoslovakia to Israel 1947–49 - Wikipedia

Czechoslovakia is one of several countries moving their embassy to Jerusalem. I guess they'll all be moving back to Tel Aviv after Trump leaves office.

Lots of moving in the future.

right away-----be sure to hold your breath until it happens

 

[georgephillip]

Do those central processes you mention include imperialism?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The Zionist Plan for the Middle East.pdf

"The (Yinon) plan operates on two essential premises.

"To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states.

"Small here will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state.

"Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel's satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation."

How would you define Israel's "source of moral legitimation"?

By becoming a world power and economy, growing lush orchards from the same rubble that still exists in Palestine. All in half a century.

Moral legitimation has little to do with material gain, especially when the gains come from stealing farms, homes, businesses, and bank accounts:

The forgotten story of the original Jaffa oranges

"'The citrus industry is perceived in the Israeli consciousness as an exclusively Zionist pioneering effort. In fact, the Palestinian-Arab citrus industry predated it, and for most of the period, until 1948, exceeded it in both physical area and quantity of exports,' Karlinsky and co-author Prof. Mustafa Kabha, from the Open University, wrote in an article recently published in the historical journal Zmanim. (Karlinsky has also published a book in English on the subject: 'California Dreaming: Ideology, Society, and Technology in the Citrus Industry of Palestine, 1890-1939.') "

All of those Palestinian fruit orchards must have blown away like their homeland is about to.

Are you predicting al-Nakba 2.0?

2018 Gaza border protests - Wikipedia

I'm proposing a one state solution. Those Palleys gotta be useful for something besides throwing rocks.

One democratic state solution with universal suffrage?
Would that not imply an end to the Jewish state?

 

[Aba Incieni]

By becoming a world power and economy, growing lush orchards from the same rubble that still exists in Palestine. All in half a century.

Moral legitimation has little to do with material gain, especially when the gains come from stealing farms, homes, businesses, and bank accounts:

The forgotten story of the original Jaffa oranges

"'The citrus industry is perceived in the Israeli consciousness as an exclusively Zionist pioneering effort. In fact, the Palestinian-Arab citrus industry predated it, and for most of the period, until 1948, exceeded it in both physical area and quantity of exports,' Karlinsky and co-author Prof. Mustafa Kabha, from the Open University, wrote in an article recently published in the historical journal Zmanim. (Karlinsky has also published a book in English on the subject: 'California Dreaming: Ideology, Society, and Technology in the Citrus Industry of Palestine, 1890-1939.') "

All of those Palestinian fruit orchards must have blown away like their homeland is about to.

Are you predicting al-Nakba 2.0?

2018 Gaza border protests - Wikipedia

I'm proposing a one state solution. Those Palleys gotta be useful for something besides throwing rocks.

One democratic state solution with universal suffrage?
Would that not imply an end to the Jewish state?

To the victor go the spoils. Let them duke it out.

 

[georgephillip]

Moral legitimation has little to do with material gain, especially when the gains come from stealing farms, homes, businesses, and bank accounts:

The forgotten story of the original Jaffa oranges

"'The citrus industry is perceived in the Israeli consciousness as an exclusively Zionist pioneering effort. In fact, the Palestinian-Arab citrus industry predated it, and for most of the period, until 1948, exceeded it in both physical area and quantity of exports,' Karlinsky and co-author Prof. Mustafa Kabha, from the Open University, wrote in an article recently published in the historical journal Zmanim. (Karlinsky has also published a book in English on the subject: 'California Dreaming: Ideology, Society, and Technology in the Citrus Industry of Palestine, 1890-1939.') "

All of those Palestinian fruit orchards must have blown away like their homeland is about to.

Are you predicting al-Nakba 2.0?

2018 Gaza border protests - Wikipedia

I'm proposing a one state solution. Those Palleys gotta be useful for something besides throwing rocks.

One democratic state solution with universal suffrage?
Would that not imply an end to the Jewish state?

To the victor go the spoils. Let them duke it out.

Fair fight?

 

[Aba Incieni]

All of those Palestinian fruit orchards must have blown away like their homeland is about to.

Are you predicting al-Nakba 2.0?

2018 Gaza border protests - Wikipedia

I'm proposing a one state solution. Those Palleys gotta be useful for something besides throwing rocks.

One democratic state solution with universal suffrage?
Would that not imply an end to the Jewish state?

To the victor go the spoils. Let them duke it out.

Fair fight?

Nothing is fair, junior. Especially in war.

 

[georgephillip]

Are you predicting al-Nakba 2.0?

2018 Gaza border protests - Wikipedia

I'm proposing a one state solution. Those Palleys gotta be useful for something besides throwing rocks.

One democratic state solution with universal suffrage?
Would that not imply an end to the Jewish state?

To the victor go the spoils. Let them duke it out.

Fair fight?

Nothing is fair, junior. Especially in war.

How many wars have you been in, Killer?

 

[Indeependent]

I have trouble seeing Arab responsibility for the plight of today's Palestinians?

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

Maybe we should send the bill to

That because you believe in revisionist history.
Revisionist history, at this point in time, is becoming more and more irrelevant to most of the civilized world.

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Please explain how a bunch of nomads with no central government or infrastructure ruled the land.

"Brief history • 1516 – 1917 Ottoman Empire • 1917 – 1947 British Mandate – 1917 Balfour declaration • 1948 United Nations proposed partition – Arabs rejected partition – Jews declared the State of IsraelEgypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan invaded but were beaten back"
https://www.elra.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Land-Registry-in-Palestine-by-Joy-Bailey.pdf

What makes you think only Jews are special enough to provide land registration services?

You want the Jews out?
Go for it.
Oh! I forgot...
1.8 billion Arabs already tried 5 times and got their asses handed to them.
Plus, thanks to telecommunications, no one with half a brain believes your lies any more.

 

[Aba Incieni]

I'm proposing a one state solution. Those Palleys gotta be useful for something besides throwing rocks.

One democratic state solution with universal suffrage?
Would that not imply an end to the Jewish state?

To the victor go the spoils. Let them duke it out.

Fair fight?

Nothing is fair, junior. Especially in war.

How many wars have you been in, Killer?

Enough to know nothing is fair.

It's another reason to turn Palestine over to the Israelis. Those Palleys are useless.

 

[georgephillip]

That because you believe in revisionist history.
Revisionist history, at this point in time, is becoming more and more irrelevant to most of the civilized world.

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Please explain how a bunch of nomads with no central government or infrastructure ruled the land.

"Brief history • 1516 – 1917 Ottoman Empire • 1917 – 1947 British Mandate – 1917 Balfour declaration • 1948 United Nations proposed partition – Arabs rejected partition – Jews declared the State of IsraelEgypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan invaded but were beaten back"
https://www.elra.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Land-Registry-in-Palestine-by-Joy-Bailey.pdf

What makes you think only Jews are special enough to provide land registration services?

You want the Jews out?
Go for it.
Oh! I forgot...
1.8 billion Arabs already tried 5 times and got their asses handed to them.
Plus, thanks to telecommunications, no one with half a brain believes your lies any more.

BDS Movement

 

[georgephillip]

Enough to know nothing is fair.

It's another reason to turn Palestine over to the Israelis. Those Palleys are useless.

Again.
Haven't you ever wondered why a few greedy Jews get millions of innocent Jews persecuted again and again and again?
Persecution of Jews - Wikipedia

 

[Indeependent]

Do you believe Jews alone among all people in History are entitled to control land their ancestors briefly ruled thousands of years ago? If so, why?

Please explain how a bunch of nomads with no central government or infrastructure ruled the land.

"Brief history • 1516 – 1917 Ottoman Empire • 1917 – 1947 British Mandate – 1917 Balfour declaration • 1948 United Nations proposed partition – Arabs rejected partition – Jews declared the State of IsraelEgypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan invaded but were beaten back"
https://www.elra.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Land-Registry-in-Palestine-by-Joy-Bailey.pdf

What makes you think only Jews are special enough to provide land registration services?

You want the Jews out?
Go for it.
Oh! I forgot...
1.8 billion Arabs already tried 5 times and got their asses handed to them.
Plus, thanks to telecommunications, no one with half a brain believes your lies any more.

BDS Movement

Do you realize almost everyone here thinks you're an immature asshole raghead?

 

[Aba Incieni]

Enough to know nothing is fair.

It's another reason to turn Palestine over to the Israelis. Those Palleys are useless.

Again.
Haven't you ever wondered why a few greedy Jews get millions of innocent Jews persecuted again and again and again?
Persecution of Jews - Wikipedia

Yes, I've often wondered why that Jew Hitler slaughtered all those Jews.

Palleys up next.

 

[Linkiloo]

Georgie is looking for a fair war.

 

[frigidweirdo]

In their own words, no one has to make this up. The US is executing Israel's long held plan of regime change across the Arab world, starting with Iraq.

Oded Yinon, Israeli Foreign Ministry, "A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties":

"Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria...Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon..."

Douglas Feith, David Wurmser, Neocons in the George W. Bush administration wrote BEFORE 9/11 in "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel)" 1996:

"Israel can shape its strategic environment...by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq..."

Feith wrote that paper for Netanyahu. He later became Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, with the highest security clearances and access to the nation's defenses before 9/11.

And General Wes Clark let the cat of of the bag that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction. It was part of a bigger plan, driven by the Zionist Neocons in the Bush White House:

"...we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." -General Wesley Clark, 2007

And it all started with 9/11. Who was in NYC cheering and high-fiving the burning towers? Israeli Mossad agents.

It's all in our faces, in black and white. American blood and treasure, national solvency, all gone for Israel. I nominate Americans for the stupidest suckers in world history.



Oded Yinon

Israel know Trump is easily played.

 

[georgephillip]

In their own words, no one has to make this up. The US is executing Israel's long held plan of regime change across the Arab world, starting with Iraq.

Oded Yinon, Israeli Foreign Ministry, "A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties":

"Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria...Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon..."

Douglas Feith, David Wurmser, Neocons in the George W. Bush administration wrote BEFORE 9/11 in "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel)" 1996:

"Israel can shape its strategic environment...by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq..."

Feith wrote that paper for Netanyahu. He later became Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, with the highest security clearances and access to the nation's defenses before 9/11.

And General Wes Clark let the cat of of the bag that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction. It was part of a bigger plan, driven by the Zionist Neocons in the Bush White House:

"...we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." -General Wesley Clark, 2007

And it all started with 9/11. Who was in NYC cheering and high-fiving the burning towers? Israeli Mossad agents.

It's all in our faces, in black and white. American blood and treasure, national solvency, all gone for Israel. I nominate Americans for the stupidest suckers in world history.



Oded Yinon

Israel know Trump is easily played.

Trump is a racist, born and bred. The first time his name appeared in the New York Times it was as a defendant in a racial discrimination lawsuit. Of course, Israeli Jews would find him a useful bigot.

1973 | Meet Donald Trump

 

[georgephillip]

Please explain how a bunch of nomads with no central government or infrastructure ruled the land.

"Brief history • 1516 – 1917 Ottoman Empire • 1917 – 1947 British Mandate – 1917 Balfour declaration • 1948 United Nations proposed partition – Arabs rejected partition – Jews declared the State of IsraelEgypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan invaded but were beaten back"
https://www.elra.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Land-Registry-in-Palestine-by-Joy-Bailey.pdf

What makes you think only Jews are special enough to provide land registration services?

You want the Jews out?
Go for it.
Oh! I forgot...
1.8 billion Arabs already tried 5 times and got their asses handed to them.
Plus, thanks to telecommunications, no one with half a brain believes your lies any more.

BDS Movement

Do you realize almost everyone here thinks you're an immature asshole raghead?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-at-seventy-symbol-of-war-racism-reaction/5640405

"A dog of war unleashed by the U.S.

"More than anything, Israel is an agent of war, since its formation..."

"Israel has attacked all bordering countries, some, like Lebanon, repeatedly and for decades. It occupied or annexed all of historic Palestine and territory from Lebanon, Egypt, Syria and Jordan.

"This not because it had to do so to survive.

"It is because imperialism backed the formation of Israel on stolen Palestinian land, not as a homeland for Jewish people but as an agent of war against Arab independence.

"The Holocaust survivors who populated it were meant to fight and die for imperialism.

"To this end, the U.S. has given this country of 8.5 million people $254 billions (2016 dollars) since its formation.

"Most of this is in sophisticated offensive weapons and spy equipment. Israel has been constantly at war with its neighbors for the benefit of U.S. imperialism."

 

[georgephillip]

Yes, I've often wondered why that Jew Hitler slaughtered all those Jews.

Palleys up next.

How can racist Israeli Jews create an exclusively Jewish state when 20% of Israeli citizens are Palestinians?