England has new Doner Laws. They have lost control

Live on through someone else? Isnt that what jeffrey dahmer used to say?
'I could feel his heart:' Organ donor families bond with recipients after transplants - NBC News

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Its life affirming,the sign of a society that works.

“When I hugged her, I could feel his heart,” Wagner recalls. “I could feel it pounding. It was hard to let go.”
IDK i just find that shit weird. PErhaps, im just not as emotional as some.
When we brought it in it was made very clear that you could opt out. I thought about it for a bit and decided to go with it. Im not keen to give up my bits but if they can give someone life then I am up for that. And it means my wife or kids arent being pestered in the waiting room as well.
I dont know what the argument is against it.
I am an organ donor. Wtf do i need them for? Lol
Some people are just against it because of the State. Not everyone needs their ass wiped by a bunch of assholes.
I was never an organ donor. Like most people I never got round to it. But if asked I would have agreed. The US needs to do something though. 8000 people a year die through the lack of donations. Its an easy fix.

There are a million and one 'easy' fixes that we could force on society. If only everyone agreed. But they don't.
 
I was looking around the Europe for News and found that England has new laws that take away your right to NOT donate your organs.
The UK government are planning to make all citizens organ donors by default, without seeking their explicit permission.

Theresa May’s cabinet will introduce reformations to organ ‘donation’ laws which they say will increase the availability or organs for transplant by 700 per year, according to the BBC.


They will do this by effectively stripping UK citizens’ right to decide the fate of their own organs after they die, unless they specifically opt-out of the controversial new scheme.

Breitbart.com reports: The legislation is expected to be brought before the House of Commons when MPs return from recess in Autumn, and if Parliament approves the organ donation law, it will come into effect in England by Spring 2020.

Currently, Wales already operates such a system, Scotland is looking to introduce a similar scheme, and Northern Ireland is also considering it.

The law will mean that unless a person has expressed a wish to not donate their organs, doctors will presume the dead person is a donor.

There will be exceptions — children under 18, those with diminished mental capabilities, and foreigners who have been in the country less than 12 months — and relatives can still override the ‘presumed consent’, if the ‘donor’ has relatives in the first place to object.


Those who do want to opt out will be able to do so by using a National Health Service (NHS) app to be launched at the end of the year.

However, medical ethicist Dr Piers Benn raised several issues arising from the Government legally changing all Britons to presumed organ ‘donors’, saying that it may leave some people feeling “cheated” and “uncomfortable” with what has hitherto been treated as a “gift”.

Dr Benn said the current system respected that “you know what you’re doing and you’re doing it because you want to save someone’s life”, he told Sky News on Sunday.

“The problem with opt-outs is that — while it does save lives — people may not be aware that that is the default assumption. so people will be ‘donating’ their organs without knowing they are doing that.”

Asked by the news anchor whether it would give doctors licence to take your organs, the medical ethicist said: “Sometimes if there is no known wish a doctor can approach relatives and some relatives decide not to donate.

“But the issue really is how do we weigh up the number of lives saved with the need to respect fully the consent of the person who has just died to what happens to their organs.”

Recognising that the 700 additional organs would be available every year under the new system by virtue of being taken by the deceased who may not have expressed a wish to donate when alive, Dr Benn observed that “There is something lost [in this system].

“I don’t say this solves the issue completely as it removes that you know what you’re doing and you’re giving.

“After all, no one has an obligation to save strangers’ lives.”

Asked whether it would make people feel that the government is presuming ownership over there body, the medical ethicist reiterated that you can opt out — but that it was down to a person reading the “small print”.

“You can opt out but you have to be pretty savvy to do so. Of course, the reason why the government have shifted from the opt-in to the opt-out position is to increase donations — which is a good thing, but done in a way which is at risk of being done by slight of hand.”

I wonder if these laws are active in Canada.?

It’s completely fair and logical for the English government to demand your organs upon your death. When the citizenship accepts a universal healthcare system they are no longer responsible or in control of their own body, even after they are dead.
Nobody is demanding. You can opt out if you feel strongly about it. Its working well all over the world.
 
Live on through someone else? Isnt that what jeffrey dahmer used to say?
'I could feel his heart:' Organ donor families bond with recipients after transplants - NBC News

2d9769839-g-cvr-131122-heart-transplant-11a.nbcnews-ux-1024-900.jpg


Its life affirming,the sign of a society that works.

“When I hugged her, I could feel his heart,” Wagner recalls. “I could feel it pounding. It was hard to let go.”
IDK i just find that shit weird. PErhaps, im just not as emotional as some.
When we brought it in it was made very clear that you could opt out. I thought about it for a bit and decided to go with it. Im not keen to give up my bits but if they can give someone life then I am up for that. And it means my wife or kids arent being pestered in the waiting room as well.
I dont know what the argument is against it.
I am an organ donor. Wtf do i need them for? Lol
Some people are just against it because of the State. Not everyone needs their ass wiped by a bunch of assholes.
I was never an organ donor. Like most people I never got round to it. But if asked I would have agreed. The US needs to do something though. 8000 people a year die through the lack of donations. Its an easy fix.
The root problem is people.
The govt is never the solution to a problem. Its a band aid.
 
'I could feel his heart:' Organ donor families bond with recipients after transplants - NBC News

2d9769839-g-cvr-131122-heart-transplant-11a.nbcnews-ux-1024-900.jpg


Its life affirming,the sign of a society that works.

“When I hugged her, I could feel his heart,” Wagner recalls. “I could feel it pounding. It was hard to let go.”
IDK i just find that shit weird. PErhaps, im just not as emotional as some.
When we brought it in it was made very clear that you could opt out. I thought about it for a bit and decided to go with it. Im not keen to give up my bits but if they can give someone life then I am up for that. And it means my wife or kids arent being pestered in the waiting room as well.
I dont know what the argument is against it.
I am an organ donor. Wtf do i need them for? Lol
Some people are just against it because of the State. Not everyone needs their ass wiped by a bunch of assholes.
I was never an organ donor. Like most people I never got round to it. But if asked I would have agreed. The US needs to do something though. 8000 people a year die through the lack of donations. Its an easy fix.

There are a million and one 'easy' fixes that we could force on society. If only everyone agreed. But they don't.
Well you can agree to save lives or disagree and get cremated in all your glory. It doesnt seem to be a difficult decision.
 
I was looking around the Europe for News and found that England has new laws that take away your right to NOT donate your organs.
The UK government are planning to make all citizens organ donors by default, without seeking their explicit permission.

Theresa May’s cabinet will introduce reformations to organ ‘donation’ laws which they say will increase the availability or organs for transplant by 700 per year, according to the BBC.


They will do this by effectively stripping UK citizens’ right to decide the fate of their own organs after they die, unless they specifically opt-out of the controversial new scheme.

Breitbart.com reports: The legislation is expected to be brought before the House of Commons when MPs return from recess in Autumn, and if Parliament approves the organ donation law, it will come into effect in England by Spring 2020.

Currently, Wales already operates such a system, Scotland is looking to introduce a similar scheme, and Northern Ireland is also considering it.

The law will mean that unless a person has expressed a wish to not donate their organs, doctors will presume the dead person is a donor.

There will be exceptions — children under 18, those with diminished mental capabilities, and foreigners who have been in the country less than 12 months — and relatives can still override the ‘presumed consent’, if the ‘donor’ has relatives in the first place to object.


Those who do want to opt out will be able to do so by using a National Health Service (NHS) app to be launched at the end of the year.

However, medical ethicist Dr Piers Benn raised several issues arising from the Government legally changing all Britons to presumed organ ‘donors’, saying that it may leave some people feeling “cheated” and “uncomfortable” with what has hitherto been treated as a “gift”.

Dr Benn said the current system respected that “you know what you’re doing and you’re doing it because you want to save someone’s life”, he told Sky News on Sunday.

“The problem with opt-outs is that — while it does save lives — people may not be aware that that is the default assumption. so people will be ‘donating’ their organs without knowing they are doing that.”

Asked by the news anchor whether it would give doctors licence to take your organs, the medical ethicist said: “Sometimes if there is no known wish a doctor can approach relatives and some relatives decide not to donate.

“But the issue really is how do we weigh up the number of lives saved with the need to respect fully the consent of the person who has just died to what happens to their organs.”

Recognising that the 700 additional organs would be available every year under the new system by virtue of being taken by the deceased who may not have expressed a wish to donate when alive, Dr Benn observed that “There is something lost [in this system].

“I don’t say this solves the issue completely as it removes that you know what you’re doing and you’re giving.

“After all, no one has an obligation to save strangers’ lives.”

Asked whether it would make people feel that the government is presuming ownership over there body, the medical ethicist reiterated that you can opt out — but that it was down to a person reading the “small print”.

“You can opt out but you have to be pretty savvy to do so. Of course, the reason why the government have shifted from the opt-in to the opt-out position is to increase donations — which is a good thing, but done in a way which is at risk of being done by slight of hand.”

I wonder if these laws are active in Canada.?

Good.

Society is supposed to look after society. Once you're dead, you're dead. Forget the stupid fantasy stories religions give you.

Living people need these donors, dead people don't need their organs.

Time to live in REALITY.
 
IDK i just find that shit weird. PErhaps, im just not as emotional as some.
When we brought it in it was made very clear that you could opt out. I thought about it for a bit and decided to go with it. Im not keen to give up my bits but if they can give someone life then I am up for that. And it means my wife or kids arent being pestered in the waiting room as well.
I dont know what the argument is against it.
I am an organ donor. Wtf do i need them for? Lol
Some people are just against it because of the State. Not everyone needs their ass wiped by a bunch of assholes.
I was never an organ donor. Like most people I never got round to it. But if asked I would have agreed. The US needs to do something though. 8000 people a year die through the lack of donations. Its an easy fix.

There are a million and one 'easy' fixes that we could force on society. If only everyone agreed. But they don't.
Well you can agree to save lives or disagree and get cremated in all your glory. It doesnt seem to be a difficult decision.

Then why does the government need to make it for you?
 
When we brought it in it was made very clear that you could opt out. I thought about it for a bit and decided to go with it. Im not keen to give up my bits but if they can give someone life then I am up for that. And it means my wife or kids arent being pestered in the waiting room as well.
I dont know what the argument is against it.
I am an organ donor. Wtf do i need them for? Lol
Some people are just against it because of the State. Not everyone needs their ass wiped by a bunch of assholes.
I was never an organ donor. Like most people I never got round to it. But if asked I would have agreed. The US needs to do something though. 8000 people a year die through the lack of donations. Its an easy fix.

There are a million and one 'easy' fixes that we could force on society. If only everyone agreed. But they don't.
Well you can agree to save lives or disagree and get cremated in all your glory. It doesnt seem to be a difficult decision.

Then why does the government need to make it for you?
It doesnt. If you feel strongly about it you can opt out. But that is essentially selfish and not public spirited.

I like the approach taken in Israel.

Since 2008, signing an organ donor card in Israel has provided a potential medical benefit to the signer. If two patients require an organ donation and have the same medical need, preference will be given to the one that had signed an organ donation card. This policy was nicknamed "dont give, don't get". Organ donation in Israel increased after 2008.

Why should you benefit from organ donation when you refuse to be a part of the scheme ?
 
I am an organ donor. Wtf do i need them for? Lol
Some people are just against it because of the State. Not everyone needs their ass wiped by a bunch of assholes.
I was never an organ donor. Like most people I never got round to it. But if asked I would have agreed. The US needs to do something though. 8000 people a year die through the lack of donations. Its an easy fix.

There are a million and one 'easy' fixes that we could force on society. If only everyone agreed. But they don't.
Well you can agree to save lives or disagree and get cremated in all your glory. It doesnt seem to be a difficult decision.

Then why does the government need to make it for you?
It doesnt.
Yes, it does. As you point out, you can wrestle the decision away from them. If you even know about it, or if you have time to do whatever hoop-jumping is necessary to "opt out". But the proposal is to have government make that decision for you by default.

Why should you benefit from organ donation when you refuse to be a part of the scheme ?

I shouldn't. If that's your beef, pass laws to make sure I can't.
 
I was never an organ donor. Like most people I never got round to it. But if asked I would have agreed. The US needs to do something though. 8000 people a year die through the lack of donations. Its an easy fix.

There are a million and one 'easy' fixes that we could force on society. If only everyone agreed. But they don't.
Well you can agree to save lives or disagree and get cremated in all your glory. It doesnt seem to be a difficult decision.

Then why does the government need to make it for you?
It doesnt.
Yes, it does. As you point out, you can wrestle the decision away from them. If you even know about it, or if you have time to do whatever hoop-jumping is necessary to "opt out". But the proposal is to have government make that decision for you by default.

Why should you benefit from organ donation when you refuse to be a part of the scheme ?

I shouldn't. If that's your beef, pass laws to make sure I can't.

Opting out is very straightforward.
No, I do not want to donate

What about your family and friends. Wouldnt you want to see them get an organ transplant if they were dying ?
 
There are a million and one 'easy' fixes that we could force on society. If only everyone agreed. But they don't.
Well you can agree to save lives or disagree and get cremated in all your glory. It doesnt seem to be a difficult decision.

Then why does the government need to make it for you?
It doesnt.
Yes, it does. As you point out, you can wrestle the decision away from them. If you even know about it, or if you have time to do whatever hoop-jumping is necessary to "opt out". But the proposal is to have government make that decision for you by default.

Why should you benefit from organ donation when you refuse to be a part of the scheme ?

I shouldn't. If that's your beef, pass laws to make sure I can't.

Opting out is very straightforward.
No, I do not want to donate

What about your family and friends. Wouldnt you want to see them get an organ transplant if they were dying ?

Because I'm a cruel conservative and we enjoy suffering.
 
Well you can agree to save lives or disagree and get cremated in all your glory. It doesnt seem to be a difficult decision.

Then why does the government need to make it for you?
It doesnt.
Yes, it does. As you point out, you can wrestle the decision away from them. If you even know about it, or if you have time to do whatever hoop-jumping is necessary to "opt out". But the proposal is to have government make that decision for you by default.

Why should you benefit from organ donation when you refuse to be a part of the scheme ?

I shouldn't. If that's your beef, pass laws to make sure I can't.

Opting out is very straightforward.
No, I do not want to donate

What about your family and friends. Wouldnt you want to see them get an organ transplant if they were dying ?

Because I'm a cruel conservative and we enjoy suffering.
Ok, you got me.I didnt realise it was a wind up.
 
I was looking around the Europe for News and found that England has new laws that take away your right to NOT donate your organs.
The UK government are planning to make all citizens organ donors by default, without seeking their explicit permission.

Theresa May’s cabinet will introduce reformations to organ ‘donation’ laws which they say will increase the availability or organs for transplant by 700 per year, according to the BBC.


They will do this by effectively stripping UK citizens’ right to decide the fate of their own organs after they die, unless they specifically opt-out of the controversial new scheme.

Breitbart.com reports: The legislation is expected to be brought before the House of Commons when MPs return from recess in Autumn, and if Parliament approves the organ donation law, it will come into effect in England by Spring 2020.

Currently, Wales already operates such a system, Scotland is looking to introduce a similar scheme, and Northern Ireland is also considering it.

The law will mean that unless a person has expressed a wish to not donate their organs, doctors will presume the dead person is a donor.

There will be exceptions — children under 18, those with diminished mental capabilities, and foreigners who have been in the country less than 12 months — and relatives can still override the ‘presumed consent’, if the ‘donor’ has relatives in the first place to object.


Those who do want to opt out will be able to do so by using a National Health Service (NHS) app to be launched at the end of the year.

However, medical ethicist Dr Piers Benn raised several issues arising from the Government legally changing all Britons to presumed organ ‘donors’, saying that it may leave some people feeling “cheated” and “uncomfortable” with what has hitherto been treated as a “gift”.

Dr Benn said the current system respected that “you know what you’re doing and you’re doing it because you want to save someone’s life”, he told Sky News on Sunday.

“The problem with opt-outs is that — while it does save lives — people may not be aware that that is the default assumption. so people will be ‘donating’ their organs without knowing they are doing that.”

Asked by the news anchor whether it would give doctors licence to take your organs, the medical ethicist said: “Sometimes if there is no known wish a doctor can approach relatives and some relatives decide not to donate.

“But the issue really is how do we weigh up the number of lives saved with the need to respect fully the consent of the person who has just died to what happens to their organs.”

Recognising that the 700 additional organs would be available every year under the new system by virtue of being taken by the deceased who may not have expressed a wish to donate when alive, Dr Benn observed that “There is something lost [in this system].

“I don’t say this solves the issue completely as it removes that you know what you’re doing and you’re giving.

“After all, no one has an obligation to save strangers’ lives.”

Asked whether it would make people feel that the government is presuming ownership over there body, the medical ethicist reiterated that you can opt out — but that it was down to a person reading the “small print”.

“You can opt out but you have to be pretty savvy to do so. Of course, the reason why the government have shifted from the opt-in to the opt-out position is to increase donations — which is a good thing, but done in a way which is at risk of being done by slight of hand.”

I wonder if these laws are active in Canada.?

Good.

Society is supposed to look after society. Once you're dead, you're dead. Forget the stupid fantasy stories religions give you.

Living people need these donors, dead people don't need their organs.

Time to live in REALITY.
The reality being that the government owns your body and can do whatever it wants to with it's own possessions.
 
I was looking around the Europe for News and found that England has new laws that take away your right to NOT donate your organs.
The UK government are planning to make all citizens organ donors by default, without seeking their explicit permission.

Theresa May’s cabinet will introduce reformations to organ ‘donation’ laws which they say will increase the availability or organs for transplant by 700 per year, according to the BBC.


They will do this by effectively stripping UK citizens’ right to decide the fate of their own organs after they die, unless they specifically opt-out of the controversial new scheme.

Breitbart.com reports: The legislation is expected to be brought before the House of Commons when MPs return from recess in Autumn, and if Parliament approves the organ donation law, it will come into effect in England by Spring 2020.

Currently, Wales already operates such a system, Scotland is looking to introduce a similar scheme, and Northern Ireland is also considering it.

The law will mean that unless a person has expressed a wish to not donate their organs, doctors will presume the dead person is a donor.

There will be exceptions — children under 18, those with diminished mental capabilities, and foreigners who have been in the country less than 12 months — and relatives can still override the ‘presumed consent’, if the ‘donor’ has relatives in the first place to object.


Those who do want to opt out will be able to do so by using a National Health Service (NHS) app to be launched at the end of the year.

However, medical ethicist Dr Piers Benn raised several issues arising from the Government legally changing all Britons to presumed organ ‘donors’, saying that it may leave some people feeling “cheated” and “uncomfortable” with what has hitherto been treated as a “gift”.

Dr Benn said the current system respected that “you know what you’re doing and you’re doing it because you want to save someone’s life”, he told Sky News on Sunday.

“The problem with opt-outs is that — while it does save lives — people may not be aware that that is the default assumption. so people will be ‘donating’ their organs without knowing they are doing that.”

Asked by the news anchor whether it would give doctors licence to take your organs, the medical ethicist said: “Sometimes if there is no known wish a doctor can approach relatives and some relatives decide not to donate.

“But the issue really is how do we weigh up the number of lives saved with the need to respect fully the consent of the person who has just died to what happens to their organs.”

Recognising that the 700 additional organs would be available every year under the new system by virtue of being taken by the deceased who may not have expressed a wish to donate when alive, Dr Benn observed that “There is something lost [in this system].

“I don’t say this solves the issue completely as it removes that you know what you’re doing and you’re giving.

“After all, no one has an obligation to save strangers’ lives.”

Asked whether it would make people feel that the government is presuming ownership over there body, the medical ethicist reiterated that you can opt out — but that it was down to a person reading the “small print”.

“You can opt out but you have to be pretty savvy to do so. Of course, the reason why the government have shifted from the opt-in to the opt-out position is to increase donations — which is a good thing, but done in a way which is at risk of being done by slight of hand.”

I wonder if these laws are active in Canada.?

Good.

Society is supposed to look after society. Once you're dead, you're dead. Forget the stupid fantasy stories religions give you.

Living people need these donors, dead people don't need their organs.

Time to live in REALITY.
The reality being that the government owns your body and can do whatever it wants to with it's own possessions.
The reality being that it patently doesnt.
 
I was looking around the Europe for News and found that England has new laws that take away your right to NOT donate your organs.
The UK government are planning to make all citizens organ donors by default, without seeking their explicit permission.

Theresa May’s cabinet will introduce reformations to organ ‘donation’ laws which they say will increase the availability or organs for transplant by 700 per year, according to the BBC.


They will do this by effectively stripping UK citizens’ right to decide the fate of their own organs after they die, unless they specifically opt-out of the controversial new scheme.

Breitbart.com reports: The legislation is expected to be brought before the House of Commons when MPs return from recess in Autumn, and if Parliament approves the organ donation law, it will come into effect in England by Spring 2020.

Currently, Wales already operates such a system, Scotland is looking to introduce a similar scheme, and Northern Ireland is also considering it.

The law will mean that unless a person has expressed a wish to not donate their organs, doctors will presume the dead person is a donor.

There will be exceptions — children under 18, those with diminished mental capabilities, and foreigners who have been in the country less than 12 months — and relatives can still override the ‘presumed consent’, if the ‘donor’ has relatives in the first place to object.


Those who do want to opt out will be able to do so by using a National Health Service (NHS) app to be launched at the end of the year.

However, medical ethicist Dr Piers Benn raised several issues arising from the Government legally changing all Britons to presumed organ ‘donors’, saying that it may leave some people feeling “cheated” and “uncomfortable” with what has hitherto been treated as a “gift”.

Dr Benn said the current system respected that “you know what you’re doing and you’re doing it because you want to save someone’s life”, he told Sky News on Sunday.

“The problem with opt-outs is that — while it does save lives — people may not be aware that that is the default assumption. so people will be ‘donating’ their organs without knowing they are doing that.”

Asked by the news anchor whether it would give doctors licence to take your organs, the medical ethicist said: “Sometimes if there is no known wish a doctor can approach relatives and some relatives decide not to donate.

“But the issue really is how do we weigh up the number of lives saved with the need to respect fully the consent of the person who has just died to what happens to their organs.”

Recognising that the 700 additional organs would be available every year under the new system by virtue of being taken by the deceased who may not have expressed a wish to donate when alive, Dr Benn observed that “There is something lost [in this system].

“I don’t say this solves the issue completely as it removes that you know what you’re doing and you’re giving.

“After all, no one has an obligation to save strangers’ lives.”

Asked whether it would make people feel that the government is presuming ownership over there body, the medical ethicist reiterated that you can opt out — but that it was down to a person reading the “small print”.

“You can opt out but you have to be pretty savvy to do so. Of course, the reason why the government have shifted from the opt-in to the opt-out position is to increase donations — which is a good thing, but done in a way which is at risk of being done by slight of hand.”

I wonder if these laws are active in Canada.?

Good.

Society is supposed to look after society. Once you're dead, you're dead. Forget the stupid fantasy stories religions give you.

Living people need these donors, dead people don't need their organs.

Time to live in REALITY.
The reality being that the government owns your body and can do whatever it wants to with it's own possessions.

Again --- once you're breathed your last you're going to do exactly WHAT with that corpse? Go zombie?

If you put a fortune away you get to dictate where it will go. That money has a use for somebody else. The body, other than recycling an organ you definitely have no further use for, not so much. If you were eating a big meal and consumed all you could eat and there was a hungry person next to you --- do you just toss that leftover food in the trash?

Well you prolly do but that's because you're a fucking sociopath. Normal people don't.
 
Makes you wonder just how hard the hospitals will try and save you when they are salivating over some of those rare blood type organs you're sporting.
Depending on who needs those organs there might be a sharp increase in deaths. Evaluate medical information and a rash of accidents suddenly happen.
 
Makes you wonder just how hard the hospitals will try and save you when they are salivating over some of those rare blood type organs you're sporting.
Depending on who needs those organs there might be a sharp increase in deaths. Evaluate medical information and a rash of accidents suddenly happen.
I have A- blood which is quite rare (3rd rarest I believe), and nurse told me several years ago not to put myself on the donor list because of the rarity.
She told me just to have my wife offer them up if I was to die. I never forgot those words.
 
Makes you wonder just how hard the hospitals will try and save you when they are salivating over some of those rare blood type organs you're sporting.
It isnt America. The NHS has no profit in taking your organs. The surgeon who takes them wont even know the lucky recipient.
 

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