Empirical Falsification Of the CAGW meme.

Radiation is created, must be created, by a physical process related to internal conditions and the available energy that can be converted to radiation. Energy is shed by the radiation produced and the object cools.

No ian....radiation is not created...radiation is energy and we all know...or should know that energy can neither be created nor destroyed..

If you are starting with the assumption that some energy is created, then everything that follows is as wrong as the initial assumption.
 
Apparently that doesn't matter to him. He just handwaves that away like he does with so many criticisms and contradictions that arise from his bizarre theories.
Has he ever said why he does not believe radiation exchange between objects? It is hard to pin him down because he always digresses, or buries it in cursing, or says that science doesn't understand QM, etc.

Of course I have said why...I have stated it over and over and over...you guys are so blatantly dishonest...fabricating things that I have said and then arguing against your fantasy...

My position is that energy movement is a one way, gross movement, because that is what the 2nd law of thermodynamics says....it states quite clearly that energy can only move spontaneously from a state of more order to a state of less order...two way energy movement would have energy moving spontaneously from a state of less order to a state of more order..

Now argue against what I have actually said rather than the straw man you erected.
 
Has he ever said why he does not believe radiation exchange between objects?

Because the S-B equation. And the 2nd Law.

It was the inevitable outgrowth of his claim that there is no back radiation.

I understand that, but I was referring to deeper concepts. Has he said why sunlight can get past the hotter corona? or why atomic vibrations do not emit EM waves toward a hotter object? His explanation on the CMB was a totally trollish fantasy.

He goes bonkers when you mention smart photons, but has no deeper concept. Then he also seemingly says the opposite and tacitly acknowledges dual emission but says that the photons cancel, which as we know is not possible.


Science does not know what work is moving energy from the surface to the corona..but they know that it isn't a spontaneous movement of energy from the cooler surface to the corona...and as to CMB...it isn' my fault that you can't grasp the difference between IR which is what CMB is and a resonant radio frequency which correlates to, but is neither CMB, nor IR.
 
You don't seem to grasp that observed, and measured phenomena is science. Belief in the unseen and unknowable is faith.

Science is now about mathematical modeling of the observed phenomena. Mathematical models have predicted things that were unknown and lead to new observations and measurements for verification.

Funny, when you look up the word science..even in the science dictionary, it is still defined as observation, measurement, and experiment....your belief that models are reality is something....but not science. refer to the word that describes belief in a thing without proof.
 
So QM is now a mystery...it gets more religious all the time...
It is for you.

It is for science as well...it is 100 years on since Copenhagen and there is still not an agreement on what the Copenhagen interpretation even means...that is, by definition, a mystery.
Everyone knows that QM evades intuition. Everyone knows that the real importance of QM is that it can mathematically produce results that model all experiments of electromagnitism.
 
Can't bring yourself to admit to reality...the answer is no...you can not show any actual measured evidence of two way energy flow...is that so difficult?
One way energy flow seriously violates several laws of physics and QM. But you are ignorant of QM so my argument is moot to you.
 
And you believe that you do?
I understand the mathematics of QM. That's all that's necessary to understand thermodynamics. The Copenhagen school nor any other intuitive picture does not enlighten thermodynamics. You are running yourself in circles confusing the philosophy with math.

“If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics." Dr Richard Feynman

My own conclusion is that today there is no interpretation of quantum mechanics that does not have serious flaws. This view is not universally shared. Indeed, many physicists are satisfied with their own interpretation of quantum mechanics. But different physicists are satisfied with different interpretations. In my view, we ought to take seriously the possibility of finding some more satisfactory other theory, to which quantum mechanics is only a good approximation. Steven Weinberg,
They are talking about the intuitive picture. I already told you that. Weinburg supports what I said:
My own conclusion is that today there is no interpretation of quantum mechanics that does not have serious flaws. This view is not universally shared. Indeed, many physicists are satisfied with their own interpretation of quantum mechanics.

Weinberg and Feynman do not confuse the intuitive picture with the mathematical model like you do.
 
Science does not know what work is moving energy from the surface to the corona..but they know that it isn't a spontaneous movement of energy from the cooler surface to the corona...and as to CMB...it isn' my fault that you can't grasp the difference between IR which is what CMB is and a resonant radio frequency which correlates to, but is neither CMB, nor IR.
Displaying your ignorance again.
 
Funny, when you look up the word science..even in the science dictionary, it is still defined as observation, measurement, and experiment....your belief that models are reality is something....but not science. refer to the word that describes belief in a thing without proof.
The observations, measurements, and experiments, have lead to mathematical models. Physics has two major disciplines: Theoretical and experimental. All you have done is focus on the experimental aspect but with disdain the theoretical aspect. Believe me both are equally important in order to have developed the computer you are now playing with.
 
Radiation is created, must be created, by a physical process related to internal conditions and the available energy that can be converted to radiation. Energy is shed by the radiation produced and the object cools.

No ian....radiation is not created...radiation is energy and we all know...or should know that energy can neither be created nor destroyed..

If you are starting with the assumption that some energy is created, then everything that follows is as wrong as the initial assumption.

Now you are just being retarded. Of course radiation is created. A particle takes internal/local energy and converts it into photons which carry the energy away. That is how things cool. The opposite is also happening, photons from different sources are absorbed and annihilated, adding energy. That is how things warm.

Radiation is created by certain specific movements of charged particles. Everytime one of those movements happen a photon must be created. Must be created.

That is why your crackpot idea that internally produced radiation is controlled by external conditions is simply wrong. The only way to stop radiation is to stop movement of charged particles. The only way to stop movement is to cool the particles to absolute zero.

All things radiate according to their temperature and emmisivity, all the time. Just like the S-B law states.

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Funny, when you look up the word science..even in the science dictionary, it is still defined as observation, measurement, and experiment....your belief that models are reality is something....but not science. refer to the word that describes belief in a thing without proof.
The observations, measurements, and experiments, have lead to mathematical models. Physics has two major disciplines: Theoretical and experimental. All you have done is focus on the experimental aspect but with disdain the theoretical aspect. Believe me both are equally important in order to have developed the computer you are now playing with.

Actually SSDD is adamant that the first, naive and immature, theories from 150 years ago are the only correct ones. Even though it was already known at the time that they were insufficient to explain the experimental data.
 
My own conclusion is that today there is no interpretation of quantum mechanics that does not have serious flaws. This view is not universally shared. Indeed, many physicists are satisfied with their own interpretation of quantum mechanics. But different physicists are satisfied with different interpretations. In my view, we ought to take seriously the possibility of finding some more satisfactory other theory, to which quantum mechanics is only a good approximation. Steven Weinberg,

Exactly.

Classical thermodynamics was flawed. QM was discovered, and answered more questions.

Will QM be replaced? Maybe. But QM is better than classical thermodynamics. Anything that replaces QM will also be better and answer more questions.
 
My position is that energy movement is a one way, gross movement, because that is what the 2nd law of thermodynamics says....it states quite clearly that energy can only move spontaneously from a state of more order to a state of less order...two way energy movement would have energy moving spontaneously from a state of less order to a state of more order..

The SLoT is a statistical description of systems containing large numbers of particles.

According to your interpretation even such mundane things like evaporation could not happen. How does a water molecule attain the threshold energy to break free of the liquid if adding additional energy to an already fast moving molecule is prohibited? The escaping water molecule has more energy than the molecules left behind. How does it get the extra energy?

Radiation has different properties because it is not matter. Once created it exists until it is absorbed by another bit of matter. There is no 'cancelling out'. A warmer object produces more radiation than a cooler one, but they both radiate fully. The net difference between absorbed and emitted radiation is what causes change.
 
Actually SSDD is adamant that the first, naive and immature, theories from 150 years ago are the only correct ones. Even though it was already known at the time that they were insufficient to explain the experimental data.
Yes, another thing he is naive about is to focus only on laws. Laws are generally direct mathematical codification of experiments. Theory generally focuses on deeper relationships between the laws and creates a sort of symbiosis of a deeper theory with the laws. For example many of the laws of thermodynamics were discovered before the fact that matter was proved to be composed of particles, such as atoms, nuclei or photons. SSDD's idea of physics predates all that.
 
Has he ever said why he does not believe radiation exchange between objects?

Because the S-B equation. And the 2nd Law.

It was the inevitable outgrowth of his claim that there is no back radiation.

I understand that, but I was referring to deeper concepts. Has he said why sunlight can get past the hotter corona? or why atomic vibrations do not emit EM waves toward a hotter object? His explanation on the CMB was a totally trollish fantasy.

He goes bonkers when you mention smart photons, but has no deeper concept. Then he also seemingly says the opposite and tacitly acknowledges dual emission but says that the photons cancel, which as we know is not possible.


Science does not know what work is moving energy from the surface to the corona..but they know that it isn't a spontaneous movement of energy from the cooler surface to the corona...and as to CMB...it isn' my fault that you can't grasp the difference between IR which is what CMB is and a resonant radio frequency which correlates to, but is neither CMB, nor IR.

Science does not know what work is moving energy from the surface to the corona.

Science doesn't know where work occurs on the Sun? Hmmm.......

you can't grasp the difference between IR which is what CMB is and a resonant radio frequency which correlates to,

Your resonant invention is silly.
 
you can't grasp the difference between IR which is what CMB is and a resonant radio frequency which correlates to,

Your resonant invention is silly.
Those words in that silly phrase say nothing. If I understand his bizarre thinking, we can't measure heat with a thermistor, because that is just a change in resistance, it's not heat. We can't measure light levels with a photo detector because it just gives a voltage, and a voltage is not light.... etc.
 
you can't grasp the difference between IR which is what CMB is and a resonant radio frequency which correlates to,

Your resonant invention is silly.
Those words in that silly phrase say nothing. If I understand his bizarre thinking, we can't measure heat with a thermistor, because that is just a change in resistance, it's not heat. We can't measure light levels with a photo detector because it just gives a voltage, and a voltage is not light.... etc.

Those words in that silly phrase say nothing.

I agree.
It's like the radio wave flew past the planet and winked at the telescope, without hitting the receiver.
Presto, CMB is magically detected, without violating any previous epicycle.
 
Can't bring yourself to admit to reality...the answer is no...you can not show any actual measured evidence of two way energy flow...is that so difficult?
One way energy flow seriously violates several laws of physics and QM. But you are ignorant of QM so my argument is moot to you.

Do tell...which laws of physics does the 2nd law of thermodynamics violate?
 
Science does not know what work is moving energy from the surface to the corona..but they know that it isn't a spontaneous movement of energy from the cooler surface to the corona...and as to CMB...it isn' my fault that you can't grasp the difference between IR which is what CMB is and a resonant radio frequency which correlates to, but is neither CMB, nor IR.
Displaying your ignorance again.


Really? What work is being performed to move the energy from the cooler surface to the warmer corona? You seem to know something that science does not....I am all ears...lets hear it? What work?

Or are you just talking out your ass again?
 
Funny, when you look up the word science..even in the science dictionary, it is still defined as observation, measurement, and experiment....your belief that models are reality is something....but not science. refer to the word that describes belief in a thing without proof.
The observations, measurements, and experiments, have lead to mathematical models. Physics has two major disciplines: Theoretical and experimental. All you have done is focus on the experimental aspect but with disdain the theoretical aspect. Believe me both are equally important in order to have developed the computer you are now playing with.

Look up theory....just an idea till observations bear it out.
 

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