Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize winner and Holocaust survivor, dies at 87

[Roudy]

"Night" should be required reading for everyone.

Why should people be forced to read a book of science fiction? ......

You are mentally ill. Living in the Jewish community, I am not only the child of survivors, but I have heard many survivors speak in person. One such man had been in 6 death camps. He said that he saw Gypsies being slaughtered too. Why would he make that up? You might think you're funny, but your "cute" remarks are a slap in the face to survivors. I'll leave you with an incredible story that I saw in a Holocaust documentary recently. A Jewish family was removed from their house in Hungary. They were first told to go on a long march. The 80-year-old grandmother said, "I can't go. I'll be crushed in the march. Goodbye my children. I'll sit here and whatever happens, happens." So she sat on the stoop, all alone. A Nazi sped by on his motorcycle, and asked why she didn't go on the march with everyone else in their village. "I can't walk because I'm too old. Whatever my fate is, I'll accept it". Hungary was one of the last countries to be occupied by the Germans, in 1944. The Nazi spared the old woman, who was reunited with her grandson after the war. The grandson, now an old man himself, told this story in the documentary. So, Sunni Man, can't you at least be like that Nazi? By the way, the $100 that my dad got from the German gov't monthly, did not make up for losing his whole family.

Keep in mind you're asking someone who openly supported ISIS on these boards to be logical, intellectually honest, and compassionate.

 

[Roudy]

Another Jewish obituary:

"Elie Wiesel is dead. The Holocaust world I cut my teeth on is coming to an end.

Is the world that cut its teeth on the Holocaust also coming to an end?

In their life and death, iconic figure like Elie Wiesel move us in different ways. The day after Wiesel’s death, it is time to take stock. In which direction are we heading?

I have been reading and writing about Wiesel for more than forty years. Though I have my arguments with Wiesel and other theologians and philosophers of the Holocaust, I never dismissed them as fakes or fools as some have. I will not do so today.

Those who explored the depths of the Holocaust were a great and deeply flawed generation. With reference to their hawkish stands on Israel, Wiesel and other Holocaust commentators simply did not understand what they had become involved in. If and when they understood, it was too late.

In the end, Wiesel was deeply corrupted by his use of the Holocaust he suffered so deeply from. Once an insurgent in Jewish life by insisting on the overriding importance of the Holocaust, in his later years, Wiesel became a cheerleader for an apartheid Israel and American military sanctions and intervention in the Middle East, all revolving around his support for Israel.

Wiesel became a caricature of himself. He trivialized the Holocaust he wrote so movingly about.

Through his invocations of the Holocaust, Wiesel achieved great wealth and garnered many honors; both compromised his witness. Politicians used him as the tributes accorded him in the coming days will no doubt show. But Wiesel and the Jewish establishment also used politicians to further entrench and extend their power and influence. So it goes, it seems.

We Jews live after the Holocaust and after Israel. By after Israel, I mean what Israel has done and is doing to the Palestinian people. Those of us who live in the shadow of the Holocaust – and Israel – must ask ourselves the same questions we ask of Wiesel. What is our witness in the world? Has our standing in the world and what we represent corrupted us?

Elie Wiesel was hardly alone in becoming so stuck in Holocaust suffering that he failed to realize or care about what Jewish power was and is doing to the Palestinian people. We, the Jewish people, averted our eyes. We, the Jewish people, became corrupted through our use of unjust power against others.

Through Wiesel, Christians became heavily involved in the meaning of Holocaust suffering and support for the state of Israel without regard for the plight of Palestinians. Christians averted their eyes. Christians became corrupted through support of Jewish power against others.

So Elie Wiesel’s death must become our challenge. After the Holocaust and Israel, what are we to do? Do we really understand who we have become?

Once understood, we must stand for justice, at a personal and, if need be, at a collective cost. Lest we become other than whom we are called to be.

Here lies the unintended aspect of Elie Wiesel’s flawed witness. In the beginning Wiesel and others who reflected on the Holocaust invoked solidarity with the suffering as the key lesson of the Holocaust. True, again from the beginning, Jews were a priority. Yet, this solidarity also extended to those suffering after the Holocaust. Missing, of course, were Palestinians.

With the ascendancy of the Holocaust and Israel as the epitome of the Jewish and Christian witness, Wiesel helped ignite Jewish and Christian resistance to the oppression of the Palestinian people. By making the Holocaust and Israel central to the destiny of the Jewish people, Jewish and Christian resistance to Israel’s abuse of power was destined to take hold.

Today this resistance is exploding. Among others, Jewish Voice for Peace and the Christian struggle for divestment in a variety of denominational settings are deeply indebted to the flawed witness of Elie Wiesel.

As Elie Wiesel is honored and buried in the coming days, we would do well to reflect on other iconic figures of our day and those who use them for their own ends. Unlike iconic figures, injustice cannot be buried.

Resistance is always waiting in the shadows of unjust power. Thus our challenge as Elie Wiesel – and his generation – is laid to rest.

Marc H. Ellis is retired Director and Professor of Jewish Studies at Baylor University and author of The Heartbeat of the Prophetic - See more at: Elie Wiesel is Dead

A couple of leftist liberal hacks in academia who wrote hit pieces on Wiesel, wow, how unusual. Wiesel has been honored by the entire world at the highest levels. His legacy will stand despite your lame meaningless attempts.

 

[Sunni Man]

Learn the Truth in 5 minutes. .....

 

[Roudy]

^^^^^
Now the ISIS cheerleader Holocaust Denier convert to Islam is quoting a famous nutjob antisemite like himself. What a suprise!

 

[Sunni Man]

Keep in mind you're asking someone who openly supported ISIS on these boards to be logical, intellectually honest, and compassionate.

Quit lying.

Just because you can't understand the difference between sarcasm and support isn't my problem. .......

 

[Roudy]

Keep in mind you're asking someone who openly supported ISIS on these boards to be logical, intellectually honest, and compassionate.

Quit lying.

Just because you can't understand the difference between sarcasm and support isn't my problem. .......

You quit lying. You clearly cheered and supported ISIS for a while in your posts on this board. It's very easy to search and repost them for all to see. Would you like me to do it for all to see?

 

[Sunni Man]

You quit lying. You clearly cheered and supported ISIS for a while in your posts on this board. It's very easy to search and repost them for all to see. Would you like me to do it for all to see?

Been done before......but feel free to waste your time.

It was sarcasm plain and simple. ......

 

[Roudy]

You quit lying. You clearly cheered and supported ISIS for a while in your posts on this board. It's very easy to search and repost them for all to see. Would you like me to do it for all to see?

Been done before......but feel free to waste your time.

It was sarcasm plain and simple. ......

Oh so now you changed your song and dance. Previously, you said you supported ISIS before you realized it was an Israeli Mossad operation. Ha ha ha.

Your words:

ISIS declares creation of new Islamic state

ISIS declares creation of new Islamic state

ISIS declares creation of new Islamic state

ISIS declares creation of new Islamic state

ISIS declares creation of new Islamic state

 

[Sunni Man]

Oh so now you changed your song and dance. Before you said you supported ISIS before you realized it was an Israeli Mossad operation. Ha ha ha.

Once again you failed to understand sarcasm. ......

 

[Roudy]

Oh so now you changed your song and dance. Before you said you supported ISIS before you realized it was an Israeli Mossad operation. Ha ha ha.

Once again you failed to understand sarcasm. ......

Any objective person would not see that as "sarcasm". You're just squirming now.

But, you can tell that to the judge, Achmed.

 

[Roudy]

Does this sound like sarcasm to you?

Sunni man: "Can it shit for brains......the Ottomans let in the zionist savages into the land......a mistake the ISIS Caliphate won't let happen after they destroy Israel. .. "

Sunni man: "Early in the last century the European powers destroyed the Islamic Caliphate and divided the land between themselves by drawing up artificial borders.
The muslim people have had a longing for the restoration of the Caliphate for a hundred years.
Now the dream is being revived right in the heart of the Middle East. ... "

Sunni man: "good idea, they should clean out the Holohoax museum and use it for the ISIS Caliphate embassy. ... "

 

[Sunni Man]

Does this sound like sarcasm to you?

Sunni man: "Can it shit for brains......the Ottomans let in the zionist savages into the land......a mistake the ISIS Caliphate won't let happen after they destroy Israel. .. "

Sunni man: "Early in the last century the European powers destroyed the Islamic Caliphate and divided the land between themselves by drawing up artificial borders.
The muslim people have had a longing for the restoration of the Caliphate for a hundred years.
Now the dream is being revived right in the heart of the Middle East. ... "

Sunni man: "good idea, they should clean out the Holohoax museum and use it for the ISIS Caliphate embassy. ... "

Yes.....

 

[Roudy]

Does this sound like sarcasm to you?

Sunni man: "Can it shit for brains......the Ottomans let in the zionist savages into the land......a mistake the ISIS Caliphate won't let happen after they destroy Israel. .. "

Sunni man: "Early in the last century the European powers destroyed the Islamic Caliphate and divided the land between themselves by drawing up artificial borders.
The muslim people have had a longing for the restoration of the Caliphate for a hundred years.
Now the dream is being revived right in the heart of the Middle East. ... "

Sunni man: "good idea, they should clean out the Holohoax museum and use it for the ISIS Caliphate embassy. ... "

Yes.....

....said the ISIS supporting holocaust denying convert to Islam.

 

[Sunni Man]

Back on topic. ...

 

[Roudy]

Back on topic:

Sunni man: "good idea, they should clean out the Holohoax museum and use it for the ISIS Caliphate embassy. ... "

 

[Sunni Man]

Back on topic:

Sunni man: "good idea, they should clean out the Holohoax museum and use it for the ISIS Caliphate embassy. ... "

Actually, that is one of my best attempts at internet comedic humor.

Don't you agree? ......

 

[Roudy]

Back on topic:

Sunni man: "good idea, they should clean out the Holohoax museum and use it for the ISIS Caliphate embassy. ... "

Actually, that is one of my best attempts at internet comedic humor.

Don't you agree? ......

No you supported ISIS wholeheartedly and you believed they would eventually destroy Israel (and the Holocaust museum). And you still hold that view:

Sunni man: "Early in the last century the European powers destroyed the Islamic Caliphate and divided the land between themselves by drawing up artificial borders.
The muslim people have had a longing for the restoration of the Caliphate for a hundred years.
Now the dream is being revived right in the heart of the Middle East. ... "

 

[Sunni Man]

No you supported ISIS wholeheartedly and you believed they would eventually destroy Israel. And you still hold that view.

ISIS never attacked Israel.....and Israel never fought against ISIS.

It was like they were friends or something. .....

 

[Roudy]

No you supported ISIS wholeheartedly and you believed they would eventually destroy Israel. And you still hold that view.

ISIS never attacked Israel.....and Israel never fought against ISIS.

It was like they were friends or something. .....

There goes the Islamic nutjob again...

 

[Sunni Man]

Anyway, the thread is about (He)Lie Weasel

So I'm not gong to respond to anymore of your derailing off topic posts. .....