Donald Trump is Going to Get a Journalist Killed

[Reasonable]

When blood on the newsroom floor comes, DT will have blood on his hands.

This is not going to end well.

 

[bripat9643]

Donald Trump is Going to Get a Journalist Killed

A chance we will just have to take. I mean, with Obumma, we had such good examples of respect for the press!

Reporter James Rosen Says Nothing Trump Did Comes Close to What Obama Did to Press

Is Obama Criminalizing National Security Reporting?

Dana Milbank: In AP, Rosen investigations, government makes criminals of reporters

No president has ever savaged and belittled our free press like your fraud in chief.
It’s now a national crisis. Newspapers all over the country stood together to damn the pussygrabber and champion their cause.

The good admiral ripped the fat fuck a new asshole in his comments. Along with so many other distinguished heads of the intelligence community.
This has never happened before in American history.
We’ve never had such a lying renegade, drunk on power, president before either.

The press deserves to be savaged and belittled. The press is little more than the propaganda organ of the DNC. Trump doesn't go nearly far enough in describing how utterly corrupt the press is. They have earned their reputation. What Trump says about them sticks because the average person knows it's all true.

 

[bripat9643]

When blood on the newsroom floor comes, DT will have blood on his hands.

This is not going to end well.

Hmmmm, no he won't. The press is responsible for thousands of bodies. Trump is simply telling the truth about them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

When blood on the newsroom floor comes, DT will have blood on his hands.

This is not going to end well.

Yes, but if it's the blood of a politician, the MSM wouldn't have blood on their hands?

The MSM promotes hate. The reporting on Trump in spite of this record setting economy is 90% negative, and it was like that before Trump called ass on them.

If you patron a bar, and you found out another person in that bar was spewing nothing but hate and lies about you, wouldn't you do something about it? At the very least, call him out?

If Hil-liar was President today with half of Trump's accomplishments, there would be parades in the street. The left would be calling for the elimination of two terms for President. There would not be one negative story about her. So we all know this is political if not personal.

The MSM has always been the bully that always got their way. Now somebody is standing up to the bully, and the left doesn't like it one bit, because the left seldom got bullied, only Republican leaders do.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No president has ever savaged and belittled our free press like your fraud in chief.
It’s now a national crisis.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Getting Trump was never a goal of the investigation, although both sides will make that claim.

Of course it wasn't. That's why nearly everybody he hired is a Democrat supporter or an anti-trumper.

If Mueller doesn't charge Trump, he will claim he has been exonerated and will surely claim Mueller is a great investigator and has done a wonderful job.

Don't you believe it. If anything, he will remind Americans of the millions of dollars spent on this witch hunt and call Mueller a complete failure.

And yet, Mueller is a republican and hired a republican who works for a republican president. Surely, if they felt Mueller would not conduct a fair investigation, they would not have hired him. Also, the team is composed of a majority of Democrats but also contains independents, and Republicans.

Because a person registered as a democrat 20+ years ago does not mean they can not conduct a fair investigation today.

What, there is like one Republican on his team? The rest are renown Democrats or Independents that are known to lean left. Regardless, there are all anti-trumpers no matter what party they do or don't belong to and Mueller knew this.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Getting Trump was never a goal of the investigation, although both sides will make that claim.

Of course it wasn't. That's why nearly everybody he hired is a Democrat supporter or an anti-trumper.

If Mueller doesn't charge Trump, he will claim he has been exonerated and will surely claim Mueller is a great investigator and has done a wonderful job.

Don't you believe it. If anything, he will remind Americans of the millions of dollars spent on this witch hunt and call Mueller a complete failure.

If Mueller does not get sufficient evidence to indict Trump that does not make the investigation a failure. Success or failure will be determined by what is reveled about Russian interference.

No, it's determined if there is any relation between Russian interference and Trump which there is not. The entire concept is flawed. WTF would Russia want Trump as President when they likely have everything on Hillary's server that they could use for blackmail? According to reports, a high school geek could have hacked that thing it was so unsecured.

 

[toobfreak]

Donald Trump is Going to Get a Journalist Killed

A chance we will just have to take. I mean, with Obumma, we had such good examples of respect for the press!

Reporter James Rosen Says Nothing Trump Did Comes Close to What Obama Did to Press

Is Obama Criminalizing National Security Reporting?

Dana Milbank: In AP, Rosen investigations, government makes criminals of reporters

It’s now a national crisis.This has never happened before in American history.

 

[Flopper]

Trump and his surrogates continued,to contact Russia as a candidate and as a nominee.

I'm setting out the dots. It's up to you to connect them. If your Trump blinders keep you from doing just that, the Mueller report will do it for all Americans.

And I can hardly wait for it.

Trump's son met with some Russian broad as a setup stating she had dirt on Hillary. Nothing wrong with that. The others dealt with Russia unassociated with the Trump campaign or organization.

The only actual Russian collusion with evidence was the DNC and Hillary Clinton. They are the ones who got information from Russia about some phony BS on Trump which led to the surveillance warrant. It was a lie because they never told the court where the information came from or who funded it.

You don't know what happened in that meeting and you don't know what Trump's involvement is, if any. There is only speculation, leaks, and opinion. Only when the investigation is done will information be release. Of course, if Trump shuts the investigation down, he can seal all the findings which could happen if the investigation came upon evidence against Trump of a really serious legal infraction.

Trump will never shut the investigation down, he may give it a deadline. You, I, and Trump know what this is about, and that is drag this out long enough for the midterms. Keep it looming overhead enough for the Democrat party extension (the MSM) to repeat over and over again about Russian collusion with Trump.

After the midterms, the case will be dropped like a rock, especially if the Democrats take a real beating.

I think Mueller will keep the investigation going as long as he has leads to follow. There has been 17 independent and special council investigations. If Mueller ends this one before the midterms, excluding Watergate it would be the shortest investigation. The Iran-Contra investigation lasted over 6 and half years and the Clinton Whitewater investigation lasted over 8 years. If this investigation is average it will end about the same time as the republican and democratic conventions.

Mueller's investigation into Trump started one year ago — here's how long special prosecutor investigations usually last

They all had underlying acts. Mueller is still looking for a crime.

It sounds like he has found quite a few by Manafort. If you look back at major federal and state investigations and trials, you often find defendants not being found guilty of the major crimes that invoked the investigation. Al Capone was not found guilty of the dozens of murders he ordered, kidnappings, extortion, bank fraud, bribing federal officials, etc but rather tax evasion and prohibition.

 

[Flopper]

You don't know what happened in that meeting and you don't know what Trump's involvement is, if any. There is only speculation, leaks, and opinion. Only when the investigation is done will information be release. Of course, if Trump shuts the investigation down, he can seal all the findings which could happen if the investigation came upon evidence against Trump of a really serious legal infraction.

Trump will never shut the investigation down, he may give it a deadline. You, I, and Trump know what this is about, and that is drag this out long enough for the midterms. Keep it looming overhead enough for the Democrat party extension (the MSM) to repeat over and over again about Russian collusion with Trump.

After the midterms, the case will be dropped like a rock, especially if the Democrats take a real beating.

I think Mueller will keep the investigation going as long as he has leads to follow. There has been 17 independent and special council investigations. If Mueller ends this one before the midterms, excluding Watergate it would be the shortest investigation. The Iran-Contra investigation lasted over 6 and half years and the Clinton Whitewater investigation lasted over 8 years. If this investigation is average it will end about the same time as the republican and democratic conventions.

Mueller's investigation into Trump started one year ago — here's how long special prosecutor investigations usually last

I think the difference is that this investigation is leading absolutely nowhere, plus it was started under false pretenses and the players in this were doing borderline illegal things such as getting a surveillance warrant without notifying the judge that the information they were presenting indirectly came from Russia and was paid for by the opposing party of the candidate in question.

You are assuming the investigation is going nowhere or maybe just hoping it's going nowhere. With 17 indictments and 5 guilty pleas in just over a year makes this investigation one of the most productive.

Mueller is doing exactly what the Justice department assigned him to do, investigate Russian interference in our elections and to pursue any criminal activity discovered in the course of the investigation and no amount of interference, threats, or retribution from Trump is going stop it.

None of the indictments or pleas have anything to do with Trump at all. Even what he's got is starting to crumble. Both Papadapolous and Flynn are considering withdrawing their pleas. The Manafort case is shaking. Mueller's reputation for botching cases might be proved correct.

In big federal investigations most of the prosecutions will be for crimes incidental to the investigation. Mueller is charged with pursuing all evidence of criminal activity incidental to the the investigation which is exactly what he is doing. If pretending otherwise rings your bell go for it.

If Trump is charged, it will be at end of the investigation. And if he is charged it will be for activity incidental to the investigation, obstruction, tax invasion, money laundering, election law violations, etc. This is what Trump is worry about. Proving that Trump was somehow engage in asking the Russians to do something illegal would be very difficult to prove without whistle blowers.

Unless the investigation leads to impeachment, the most important information likely to come from the investigation is exactly how the Russians have interfered with the election process.

 

[Flopper]

Getting Trump was never a goal of the investigation, although both sides will make that claim.

Of course it wasn't. That's why nearly everybody he hired is a Democrat supporter or an anti-trumper.

If Mueller doesn't charge Trump, he will claim he has been exonerated and will surely claim Mueller is a great investigator and has done a wonderful job.

Don't you believe it. If anything, he will remind Americans of the millions of dollars spent on this witch hunt and call Mueller a complete failure.

And yet, Mueller is a republican and hired a republican who works for a republican president. Surely, if they felt Mueller would not conduct a fair investigation, they would not have hired him. Also, the team is composed of a majority of Democrats but also contains independents, and Republicans.

Because a person registered as a democrat 20+ years ago does not mean they can not conduct a fair investigation today.

What, there is like one Republican on his team? The rest are renown Democrats or Independents that are known to lean left. Regardless, there are all anti-trumpers no matter what party they do or don't belong to and Mueller knew this.

I don't believe there is any evidence that the investigating team is anti-Trump. Even it they hated Trump, they are not going to botch the most important investigation of their careers and end up being disbarred for fired. To get away with such a conspiracy, Mueller as well as other team members would have to be on board as well other Justice Dept. people such as Rob Rubenstein. The final report is going to be reviewed by Justice department people, probably members of Congress and God know how many other people. In addition the legal teams for those that are charged are going to be tearing apart ever shred of evidence.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't believe there is any evidence that the investigating team is anti-Trump. Even it they hated Trump, they are not going to botch the most important investigation of their careers and end up being disbarred for fired.

You mean like the FBI lovebirds?

To get away with such a conspiracy, Mueller as well as other team members would have to be on board as well other Justice Dept. people such as Rob Rubenstein. The final report is going to be reviewed by Justice department people, probably members of Congress and God know how many other people. In addition the legal teams for those that are charged are going to be tearing apart ever shred of evidence.

No, they don't have to be on board with anything nor told anything by Mueller. They already know why they were chosen.

 

[Flopper]

I don't believe there is any evidence that the investigating team is anti-Trump. Even it they hated Trump, they are not going to botch the most important investigation of their careers and end up being disbarred for fired.

You mean like the FBI lovebirds?

To get away with such a conspiracy, Mueller as well as other team members would have to be on board as well other Justice Dept. people such as Rob Rubenstein. The final report is going to be reviewed by Justice department people, probably members of Congress and God know how many other people. In addition the legal teams for those that are charged are going to be tearing apart ever shred of evidence.

No, they don't have to be on board with anything nor told anything by Mueller. They already know why they were chosen.

A republican conservative, Mueller picked by Rob Rosenstein, a republican appointed by both Bush and Trump would want to pick Anti-Trump investigators. Now that is nuts.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't believe there is any evidence that the investigating team is anti-Trump. Even it they hated Trump, they are not going to botch the most important investigation of their careers and end up being disbarred for fired.

You mean like the FBI lovebirds?

To get away with such a conspiracy, Mueller as well as other team members would have to be on board as well other Justice Dept. people such as Rob Rubenstein. The final report is going to be reviewed by Justice department people, probably members of Congress and God know how many other people. In addition the legal teams for those that are charged are going to be tearing apart ever shred of evidence.

No, they don't have to be on board with anything nor told anything by Mueller. They already know why they were chosen.

A republican conservative, Mueller picked by Rob Rosenstein, a republican appointed by both Bush and Trump would want to pick Anti-Trump investigators. Now that is nuts.

So what you're saying is that there are no anti-trumpers in the Republican party? There are no anti-trumper conservatives? Good to know.

 

[Flopper]

I don't believe there is any evidence that the investigating team is anti-Trump. Even it they hated Trump, they are not going to botch the most important investigation of their careers and end up being disbarred for fired.

You mean like the FBI lovebirds?

To get away with such a conspiracy, Mueller as well as other team members would have to be on board as well other Justice Dept. people such as Rob Rubenstein. The final report is going to be reviewed by Justice department people, probably members of Congress and God know how many other people. In addition the legal teams for those that are charged are going to be tearing apart ever shred of evidence.

No, they don't have to be on board with anything nor told anything by Mueller. They already know why they were chosen.

A republican conservative, Mueller picked by Rob Rosenstein, a republican appointed by both Bush and Trump would want to pick Anti-Trump investigators. Now that is nuts.

So what you're saying is that there are no anti-trumpers in the Republican party? There are no anti-trumper conservatives? Good to know. View attachment 211607

What I'm saying there is no real evidence that Rosenstein or Mueller was biased against Trump when the investigation started. However, as the investigation continues and the Trump's people are found guilty of felonies, make deals with the prosecution spilling their guts and Trump admits to election law violations, and continues to impede the investigation, it has to be hard to remain objective.

When Trump won the nomination, many people were saying Trump would bring down the Republican party. I didn't believe it then but I certainly do now because the party is stuck with Trump, they can't dump him and they can't support him. They are screwed.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't believe there is any evidence that the investigating team is anti-Trump. Even it they hated Trump, they are not going to botch the most important investigation of their careers and end up being disbarred for fired.

You mean like the FBI lovebirds?

To get away with such a conspiracy, Mueller as well as other team members would have to be on board as well other Justice Dept. people such as Rob Rubenstein. The final report is going to be reviewed by Justice department people, probably members of Congress and God know how many other people. In addition the legal teams for those that are charged are going to be tearing apart ever shred of evidence.

No, they don't have to be on board with anything nor told anything by Mueller. They already know why they were chosen.

A republican conservative, Mueller picked by Rob Rosenstein, a republican appointed by both Bush and Trump would want to pick Anti-Trump investigators. Now that is nuts.

So what you're saying is that there are no anti-trumpers in the Republican party? There are no anti-trumper conservatives? Good to know. View attachment 211607

What I'm saying there is no real evidence that Rosenstein or Mueller was biased against Trump when the investigation started. However, as the investigation continues and the Trump's people are found guilty of felonies, make deals with the prosecution spilling their guts and Trump admits to election law violations, and continues to impede the investigation, it has to be hard to remain objective.

When Trump won the nomination, many people were saying Trump would bring down the Republican party. I didn't believe it then but I certainly do now because the party is stuck with Trump, they can't dump him and they can't support him. They are screwed.

Not biased? In any other special investigation, there was a charge to look for. With this investigation, they gave Mueller a blank check and told him to find anything against Trump. They used the Russian collusion thing as an excuse, but how many of these so-called charges had anything to do with Russian collusion?

So now Mueller is trying to charge these people with anything and everything he can to try to get them to say something or make up something about Trump. It doesn't have to be true mind you, only enough to give the Democrat party extension (the media) something to splatter all over the television and news sites.

 

[Flopper]

I don't believe there is any evidence that the investigating team is anti-Trump. Even it they hated Trump, they are not going to botch the most important investigation of their careers and end up being disbarred for fired.

You mean like the FBI lovebirds?

To get away with such a conspiracy, Mueller as well as other team members would have to be on board as well other Justice Dept. people such as Rob Rubenstein. The final report is going to be reviewed by Justice department people, probably members of Congress and God know how many other people. In addition the legal teams for those that are charged are going to be tearing apart ever shred of evidence.

No, they don't have to be on board with anything nor told anything by Mueller. They already know why they were chosen.

A republican conservative, Mueller picked by Rob Rosenstein, a republican appointed by both Bush and Trump would want to pick Anti-Trump investigators. Now that is nuts.

So what you're saying is that there are no anti-trumpers in the Republican party? There are no anti-trumper conservatives? Good to know. View attachment 211607

What I'm saying there is no real evidence that Rosenstein or Mueller was biased against Trump when the investigation started. However, as the investigation continues and the Trump's people are found guilty of felonies, make deals with the prosecution spilling their guts and Trump admits to election law violations, and continues to impede the investigation, it has to be hard to remain objective.

When Trump won the nomination, many people were saying Trump would bring down the Republican party. I didn't believe it then but I certainly do now because the party is stuck with Trump, they can't dump him and they can't support him. They are screwed.

Not biased? In any other special investigation, there was a charge to look for. With this investigation, they gave Mueller a blank check and told him to find anything against Trump. They used the Russian collusion thing as an excuse, but how many of these so-called charges had anything to do with Russian collusion?

So now Mueller is trying to charge these people with anything and everything he can to try to get them to say something or make up something about Trump. ethi It doesn't have to be true mind you, only enough to give the Democrat party extension (the media) somng to splatter all over the television and news sites.

Not so. Every federal investigation includes matters that arise in the course of the investigation. Ken Star's investigation of 1994, was charged to investigate whether any individuals or entities have committed a violation of federal criminal law, excluding misdemeanors.

Any law enforcement investigation be it local or federal is obliged to investigate serious crimes within it's jurisdiction and refer those outside it's jurisdiction to the proper authorities. Would a local investigation of breaking and entering ignore a murder or other serious crime? Of course not.

Giving immunity or plea bargains in exchange for evidence is not only legal but is common in all investigation. Without it the DEA would never score large drug busts and major federal investigation would get nowhere.

It's a pretty safe bet that neither Cohen, nor Allen Weisselberg, CFO of the Trump Organization, nor David Pecker, publisher of the Enquirer, asked for Immunity or a plea deal in exchange for evidence without careful consideration of evidence against them. If Mueller had not discovered sufficient evidence, they would not be asking for immunity. Furthermore, it the evidence they offered proved to be false, their immunity would be revoked and the charges they would face would likely be a lot more serve than their other crimes called for.

Rosenstein letter appointing Mueller special counsel
Text of Order Appointing Starr

 

[BlueGin]

Getting Trump was never a goal of the investigation, although both sides will make that claim.

Of course it wasn't. That's why nearly everybody he hired is a Democrat supporter or an anti-trumper.

If Mueller doesn't charge Trump, he will claim he has been exonerated and will surely claim Mueller is a great investigator and has done a wonderful job.

Don't you believe it. If anything, he will remind Americans of the millions of dollars spent on this witch hunt and call Mueller a complete failure.

And yet, Mueller is a republican and hired a republican who works for a republican president. Surely, if they felt Mueller would not conduct a fair investigation, they would not have hired him. Also, the team is composed of a majority of Democrats but also contains independents, and Republicans.

Because a person registered as a democrat 20+ years ago does not mean they can not conduct a fair investigation today.

Actually, it pretty much does, because Dims are all douchebags.

And liars with no integrity. Don't forget that part.

 

[Desperado]

Donald Trump is Going to Get a Journalist Killed
We should have a poll to decide which one it is

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You mean like the FBI lovebirds?

No, they don't have to be on board with anything nor told anything by Mueller. They already know why they were chosen.

A republican conservative, Mueller picked by Rob Rosenstein, a republican appointed by both Bush and Trump would want to pick Anti-Trump investigators. Now that is nuts.

So what you're saying is that there are no anti-trumpers in the Republican party? There are no anti-trumper conservatives? Good to know. View attachment 211607

What I'm saying there is no real evidence that Rosenstein or Mueller was biased against Trump when the investigation started. However, as the investigation continues and the Trump's people are found guilty of felonies, make deals with the prosecution spilling their guts and Trump admits to election law violations, and continues to impede the investigation, it has to be hard to remain objective.

When Trump won the nomination, many people were saying Trump would bring down the Republican party. I didn't believe it then but I certainly do now because the party is stuck with Trump, they can't dump him and they can't support him. They are screwed.

Not biased? In any other special investigation, there was a charge to look for. With this investigation, they gave Mueller a blank check and told him to find anything against Trump. They used the Russian collusion thing as an excuse, but how many of these so-called charges had anything to do with Russian collusion?

So now Mueller is trying to charge these people with anything and everything he can to try to get them to say something or make up something about Trump. ethi It doesn't have to be true mind you, only enough to give the Democrat party extension (the media) somng to splatter all over the television and news sites.

Not so. Every federal investigation includes matters that arise in the course of the investigation. Ken Star's investigation of 1994, was charged to investigate whether any individuals or entities have committed a violation of federal criminal law, excluding misdemeanors.

Any law enforcement investigation be it local or federal is obliged to investigate serious crimes within it's jurisdiction and refer those outside it's jurisdiction to the proper authorities. Would a local investigation of breaking and entering ignore a murder or other serious crime? Of course not.

Giving immunity or plea bargains in exchange for evidence is not only legal but is common in all investigation. Without it the DEA would never score large drug busts and major federal investigation would get nowhere.

It's a pretty safe bet that neither Cohen, nor Allen Weisselberg, CFO of the Trump Organization, nor David Pecker, publisher of the Enquirer, asked for Immunity or a plea deal in exchange for evidence without careful consideration of evidence against them. If Mueller had not discovered sufficient evidence, they would not be asking for immunity. Furthermore, it the evidence they offered proved to be false, their immunity would be revoked and the charges they would face would likely be a lot more serve than their other crimes called for.

Rosenstein letter appointing Mueller special counsel
Text of Order Appointing Starr

Really? So what evidence was there of Russian collusion? There was none, and yet we have this full blown investigation going on. So what other cases were there ever where an investigation was started with no evidence?