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So you CAN'T back up the other poster AND you can't refute my post. Got it Bubs
Republicans want to crush the Middle Class and worship billionaires.
Maybe just exploitive, not immoral.I did not ever imply the self-centered bastards learned their lessons; Obama did get re-elected, and they clamor for Hillary next despite all her crookedness and lies.You're close, but not quite there. The middle class fed and clothed itself with bread and circuses to the masses on borrowed money without being sufficiently taxed. They took their fatty share, bought a few houses, and have since been retiring and living off rents, telling the next generation that they're good for nothing lazy idiots who need to learn how to work harder if they can't afford to live 5 in a house. All while calling for the same programs that provided them bread and circuses to be cut, so that they can continue to be insufficiently taxed.
Not much changed.
I have a house I culd rent out, but, I refuse to because I consider it immoral.
I will sell it or leave it empty, but never rent it.
Hmmm, I guess that's your choice, though I don't understand it. Not sure what's immoral about it. But your house, your decision.
My point was simply to highlight the fact that much of what you describe takes place along generational divides, and tends to be based on world views developed in the vacuumous ego-centrism of disparate comparisons across the timeline.
I hate paying interest too, and when I loan money to friends or family, I never charge interest.
I think it's only exploitative if you charge exorbitant rent, are a slum lord, etc. In the past few years especially, as people have tried to cope with the collapse of the housing bubble and pass the buck on their own foolish house purchases for which they overpaid, there has been an influx of people who are viciously trying to make a quick buck off their house with any scheme they can. It's becoming very common for people to rent out houses piecemeal, renting (or trying to, at least) individual rooms in a three or four bedroom house for just barely less than an apartment. A few years back I was looking for a new place and came across a guy who was renting rooms out of a house for $600 a piece (in that area, a single bedroom would run for $600-$900) who wanted me to rent out the dining room of the house with a blanket pinned up as a door as if it were a bedroom. The place already had 5 bedrooms to it. I rejected it, but a few months later I found out someone who worked where I did ended up renting one of the rooms, and told me that even though the house was less than 10 years old, it was poorly maintained, and the owner was now was cramming a couple of the rooms with two people at $400 a head. The place was also infested with roaches and the landlord refused to exterminate because he said he couldn't afford it. It got me to doing some research and I found out that the owner had bought it in 2007 brand new, and could not have been realistically paying more than $1300 a month mortgage. Here he is pulling in $3k a month in rent off the place and can't be bothered to exterminate, and kept the thermostat padlocked and remote operated for 65* in the winter and 85* in the summer. My poor coworker had a hard time looking for other options because he just barely couldn't afford an apartment on his own and living in a small town made it hard to find someone who was looking for a roommate, in a place that was in his budget. That kind of shit is exploitative.
But if you're offering a fair product at a fair price and are reasonably living up to your landlord responsibilities, then there's nothing exploitative about that. There's someone out there who needs a fair rental home at a fair rental price. You could be the guy who ends up helping them out. If there were more people in the rental market offering fair homes at fair prices, it would suck the wind out of the price gougers who are flooding the place nowadays.
We are entitled to our own beliefs and opinions.
I'd do a lease purchase, I would never rent out a spare house.
Does that bother you?
So you CAN'T back up the other poster AND you can't refute my post. Got it Bubs
Why in the hell would I attempt to refute what you believe isn't the case ... When what you posted had nothing to do with what I posted?
Damn ... You are a confused little fella ... And the whole idea you had about the market self-regulation is what you mentioned ... Not me.
I also don't know what other poster I would want to necessarily back-up with a comment that wasn't directed at them or in context to anything they posted.
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Income Inequality Worse Under Obama Than George W. Bush
I can post pages and pages of this stuff. Obama is a serial liar. Harry Reid is a serial liar, nancy Pelosi is a serial liar. And the extreme liberal posters on USMB are serial liars. You all know who you are. The facts support that Obama has done more damage to the middle class than any president before him.
No modern Presidency has been worse for average American incomes than Mr. Obama’s, and his new tax proposals are more of the same, says a wsj report. So your constant braying how heartless and only for the rich are repubs is refuted in spades when compared to Obama.
We will never address the root causes or the root solutions to re empowering the middle class as long democratic demagogues keep fabricating falsehoods. Let's tell the real truth. Democrats do not want a strong and vibrant middle class.
Republicans want to crush the Middle Class and worship billionaires.
A strong Middle Class correlates to a strong Capitalist Economy. History has proven that. Plus, name another economy in the World that has a stronger Middle Class than US and why?
Maybe just exploitive, not immoral.I did not ever imply the self-centered bastards learned their lessons; Obama did get re-elected, and they clamor for Hillary next despite all her crookedness and lies.
Not much changed.
I have a house I culd rent out, but, I refuse to because I consider it immoral.
I will sell it or leave it empty, but never rent it.
Hmmm, I guess that's your choice, though I don't understand it. Not sure what's immoral about it. But your house, your decision.
My point was simply to highlight the fact that much of what you describe takes place along generational divides, and tends to be based on world views developed in the vacuumous ego-centrism of disparate comparisons across the timeline.
I hate paying interest too, and when I loan money to friends or family, I never charge interest.
I think it's only exploitative if you charge exorbitant rent, are a slum lord, etc. In the past few years especially, as people have tried to cope with the collapse of the housing bubble and pass the buck on their own foolish house purchases for which they overpaid, there has been an influx of people who are viciously trying to make a quick buck off their house with any scheme they can. It's becoming very common for people to rent out houses piecemeal, renting (or trying to, at least) individual rooms in a three or four bedroom house for just barely less than an apartment. A few years back I was looking for a new place and came across a guy who was renting rooms out of a house for $600 a piece (in that area, a single bedroom would run for $600-$900) who wanted me to rent out the dining room of the house with a blanket pinned up as a door as if it were a bedroom. The place already had 5 bedrooms to it. I rejected it, but a few months later I found out someone who worked where I did ended up renting one of the rooms, and told me that even though the house was less than 10 years old, it was poorly maintained, and the owner was now was cramming a couple of the rooms with two people at $400 a head. The place was also infested with roaches and the landlord refused to exterminate because he said he couldn't afford it. It got me to doing some research and I found out that the owner had bought it in 2007 brand new, and could not have been realistically paying more than $1300 a month mortgage. Here he is pulling in $3k a month in rent off the place and can't be bothered to exterminate, and kept the thermostat padlocked and remote operated for 65* in the winter and 85* in the summer. My poor coworker had a hard time looking for other options because he just barely couldn't afford an apartment on his own and living in a small town made it hard to find someone who was looking for a roommate, in a place that was in his budget. That kind of shit is exploitative.
But if you're offering a fair product at a fair price and are reasonably living up to your landlord responsibilities, then there's nothing exploitative about that. There's someone out there who needs a fair rental home at a fair rental price. You could be the guy who ends up helping them out. If there were more people in the rental market offering fair homes at fair prices, it would suck the wind out of the price gougers who are flooding the place nowadays.
We are entitled to our own beliefs and opinions.
I'd do a lease purchase, I would never rent out a spare house.
Does that bother you?
No, it doesn't bother me. I just think it's a shame that people like yourself who want to transact fair deals honestly are sidelined in an unscrupulous 21st century market.
Republicans want to crush the Middle Class and worship billionaires.
A strong Middle Class correlates to a strong Capitalist Economy. History has proven that. Plus, name another economy in the World that has a stronger Middle Class than US and why?
REALLY? REALLY? Capitalism creates something that isn't normal to begin with? lol
Sorry, the middle class is a creation through Gov't policy, capitalism is nothing more than the game monopoly, the type of capitalism the US has used for 40 years is what the problem has become!
How is the Middle Class in Cuba doing?
Whether one is considered middle class is a state of mind.
Republicans want to crush the Middle Class and worship billionaires.
A strong Middle Class correlates to a strong Capitalist Economy. History has proven that. Plus, name another economy in the World that has a stronger Middle Class than US and why?
REALLY? REALLY? Capitalism creates something that isn't normal to begin with? lol
Sorry, the middle class is a creation through Gov't policy, capitalism is nothing more than the game monopoly, the type of capitalism the US has used for 40 years is what the problem has become!
How is the Middle Class in Cuba doing?
"When what you posted had nothing to do with what I posted?"
AGREED BUBBA
No class has a future. No class actually exists. They are artificial constructs done to try to divide politically.
I'm not better than my neighbor because I earn more. I'm not worse than my neigh or for earning less.
Nor is my neighbor better or worse than me for earning more or less.
Every one should strive to be the best they can be. Earning more or less shouldn't cause us to treat them as I'd they are different people
In extreme Socialist and Communist economies, there is no Middle Class. Thought leaders for both Communism and Socialism had disdain for the Middle Class. Their vision involves a true 1 percent and the masses content that everything is "fair". A healthy middle class provides opportunity for upward mobility which is the reason US as always been the top destination among immigrants seeking a better life.
"When what you posted had nothing to do with what I posted?"
AGREED BUBBA
What kind of absolute fool would seriously suggest we turn to a Kennedy for advice on how to run a honest business?
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To label someone or something in a "class" is to create a pigeon hole and make it a target group. I am rich when I have some dough at the end of the week after paying bills, I am poor when I cannot pay my CC bill off in full. Like I said a state of mind.Whether one is considered middle class is a state of mind.
As the bottom 90% of US wages has stagnated and the top 1/10th of 1% % of US has skyrocketed as their tax burden has plummeted
In extreme Socialist and Communist economies, there is no Middle Class. Thought leaders for both Communism and Socialism had disdain for the Middle Class. Their vision involves a true 1 percent and the masses content that everything is "fair". A healthy middle class provides opportunity for upward mobility which is the reason US as always been the top destination among immigrants seeking a better life.
Oh conflating an economic policy with political. Shocking
AGAIN, THE MIDDLE CLASS ISN'T NORMAL, IT'S CREATED THROUGH MOSTLY GOV'T POLICY. Ever look to the capitalists societies in most of Asia or Latin America???
