Democrats War on God.

[Auld Phart]

OP is backwards. The republicans are trying to push god into schools, Democrats are defending our tradition of separating church and state.

Democrats are defending our tradition of separating church and state.

Is that a Constitutional right?

Generally considered to be part of the first amendment though not written out in that form:. "Separation of church and state" is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson and used by others in expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States which reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Separation of church and state in the United States - Wikipedia

It's not that hard dude.

Separation of church and state" is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson

In a private letter to the Danbury Baptists.

It was not an edict,
it was not an Executive Order,
it was not a Proclamation.

and NOT Constitutional

 

[Wry Catcher]

Actually, it's the right wing Christians and Evangelicals who are waging a war on God and Jesus.

Their spiritual and moral leader, Trump, is against everything God and Jesus stand for. Even they know it. But they don't care. The question is why? Is it all based on race?

It's the courts. They're being filled with young conservatives who will be interpreting the laws for decades. Change is probably coming.

Theocracy + Plutocracy = Totalitarianism. In the past, it = Monarch & Feudalism: How did that work out for the Kings, nobles & vassals?

 

[Pogo]

OP is backwards. The republicans are trying to push god into schools, Democrats are defending our tradition of separating church and state.

Democrats are defending our tradition of separating church and state.

Is that a Constitutional right?

Generally considered to be part of the first amendment though not written out in that form:. "Separation of church and state" is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson and used by others in expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States which reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Separation of church and state in the United States - Wikipedia

It's not that hard dude.

Separation of church and state" is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson

In a private letter to the Danbury Baptists.

It was not an edict,
it was not an Executive Order,
it was not a Proclamation.

and NOT Constitutional

It's "not Constitutional" in that it's not excerpted from the Constitution's text.
It IS "Constitutional" in that it's based directly on the principles therein.

 

[Lysistrata]

This bill should never have been introduced. It was only written to incite more squabbling over religion. Whenever the word "God" is mentioned, the different religions and sects start in.

There is no "war on God" or "war on people of faith." "People of faith" can be followers of any religion on the planet.

We need to maintain religious neutrality in our public places, including schools. It's the parents' responsibility to teach their children about the particular religion, if any, that the family practices.

 

[Auld Phart]

OP is backwards. The republicans are trying to push god into schools, Democrats are defending our tradition of separating church and state.

Democrats are defending our tradition of separating church and state.

Is that a Constitutional right?

Generally considered to be part of the first amendment though not written out in that form:. "Separation of church and state" is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson and used by others in expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States which reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Separation of church and state in the United States - Wikipedia

It's not that hard dude.

Separation of church and state" is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson

In a private letter to the Danbury Baptists.

It was not an edict,
it was not an Executive Order,
it was not a Proclamation.

and NOT Constitutional

It's "not Constitutional" in that it's not excerpted from the Constitution's text.
It IS "Constitutional" in that it's based directly on the principles therein.

It IS "Constitutional" in that it's based directly on the principles therein.

Odd interpretation.

The First is about Congress not making any laws concerning religion

not states, not cities, not villages

Congress.

 

[Pogo]

Let's face facts, religion is a for-profit organization that plays on peoples fear, anxiety and desperation....They should be outlawed...or licensed just like a shrink has to dood...

And the observer's first question should be why that party is interested in infusing religious ideas into a setting where it has no function. What that party's motivations are, what its end game is. Where is it GOING.

In the same way an observer's first question upon seeing a national anthem infused into a sporting event where it too has no function. It's ultimately the same thing for the same end game purpose -- an instrument to control the masses to make them docile and obedient --- presenting an Authority Figure to the masses so that they will take orders.

You'd also think the Second Amendment champions would be averse to being programmed to take orders.
You'd think.

The whole action is one of propaganda wins hearts and dimes...They think God is not in the schools so that is why humans are killing other humans in schools. Yet when I was growing up in the 1960's and 1970's kids were killing each other in and out of schools then also with God in the hallowed hallways to the sports arena with the cult-like group prayers and hymnals..B-l-a-h...

I spent the first half my schooling in a religious school and the second half in a secular one. They pulled me out of the former because it was so fucked up and destructive of the human spirit. After that all of my siblings followed.

My parents figured out that they (indirectly) and their children (directly) were being manipulated and abused.

Love the pun "wins hearts and dimes" btw. True dat.

 

[OldLady]

Actually, it's the right wing Christians and Evangelicals who are waging a war on God and Jesus.

Their spiritual and moral leader, Trump, is against everything God and Jesus stand for. Even they know it. But they don't care. The question is why? Is it all based on race?

It's the courts. They're being filled with young conservatives who will be interpreting the laws for decades. Change is probably coming.

Theocracy + Plutocracy = Totalitarianism. In the past, it = Monarch & Feudalism: How did that work out for the Kings, nobles & vassals?

Our only hope is that these newly appointed judges will interpret the laws fairly, leaving their politics aside, as the Supreme Court justices have.

 

[Pogo]

OP is backwards. The republicans are trying to push god into schools, Democrats are defending our tradition of separating church and state.

Democrats are defending our tradition of separating church and state.

Is that a Constitutional right?

Generally considered to be part of the first amendment though not written out in that form:. "Separation of church and state" is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson and used by others in expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States which reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Separation of church and state in the United States - Wikipedia

It's not that hard dude.

Separation of church and state" is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson

In a private letter to the Danbury Baptists.

It was not an edict,
it was not an Executive Order,
it was not a Proclamation.

and NOT Constitutional

It's "not Constitutional" in that it's not excerpted from the Constitution's text.
It IS "Constitutional" in that it's based directly on the principles therein.

It IS "Constitutional" in that it's based directly on the principles therein.

Odd interpretation.

The First is about Congress not making any laws concerning religion

not states, not cities, not villages

Congress.

---- and?

This sub-discussion above is about the Constitution and the concept of "separation" between church and state --- not about "state, cities or villages".

And the reason that sub-discussion is here is because some wag tried to pervert the meaning of the First Amendment in order to use it as a basis for his god-control campaign in schools.

Whelp --- we just destroyed that basis. Which means he'll have to go find some other basis.
Won't he.

 

[Auld Phart]

Is that a Constitutional right?

Generally considered to be part of the first amendment though not written out in that form:. "Separation of church and state" is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson and used by others in expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States which reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Separation of church and state in the United States - Wikipedia

It's not that hard dude.

Separation of church and state" is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson

In a private letter to the Danbury Baptists.

It was not an edict,
it was not an Executive Order,
it was not a Proclamation.

and NOT Constitutional

It's "not Constitutional" in that it's not excerpted from the Constitution's text.
It IS "Constitutional" in that it's based directly on the principles therein.

It IS "Constitutional" in that it's based directly on the principles therein.

Odd interpretation.

The First is about Congress not making any laws concerning religion

not states, not cities, not villages

Congress.

---- and?

This sub-discussion above is about the Constitution and the concept of "separation" between church and state --- not about "state, cities or villages".

And the reason that sub-discussion is here is because some wag tried to pervert the meaning of the First Amendment in order to use it as a basis for his god-control campaign in schools.

Whelp --- we just destroyed that basis. Which means he'll have to go find some other basis.
Won't he.

This sub-discussion above is about the Constitution and the concept of "separation" between church and state --- not about "state, cities or villages".

Doesn't exist at the Constitutional level.

First is about Congress not establishing a religion.

Separation of Church and State is about one line in a letter to the Danbury Baptists.

And the reason that sub-discussion is here is because some wag tried to pervert the meaning of the First Amendment in order to use it as a basis for his god-control campaign in schools.

as opposed to decades of removing any link to religion, at all, from government sites, based on one line in a letter to the Danbury Baptists.?

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Generally considered to be part of the first amendment though not written out in that form:. "Separation of church and state" is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson and used by others in expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States which reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Separation of church and state in the United States - Wikipedia

It's not that hard dude.

Separation of church and state" is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson

In a private letter to the Danbury Baptists.

It was not an edict,
it was not an Executive Order,
it was not a Proclamation.

and NOT Constitutional

It's "not Constitutional" in that it's not excerpted from the Constitution's text.
It IS "Constitutional" in that it's based directly on the principles therein.

It IS "Constitutional" in that it's based directly on the principles therein.

Odd interpretation.

The First is about Congress not making any laws concerning religion

not states, not cities, not villages

Congress.

---- and?

This sub-discussion above is about the Constitution and the concept of "separation" between church and state --- not about "state, cities or villages".

And the reason that sub-discussion is here is because some wag tried to pervert the meaning of the First Amendment in order to use it as a basis for his god-control campaign in schools.

Whelp --- we just destroyed that basis. Which means he'll have to go find some other basis.
Won't he.

This sub-discussion above is about the Constitution and the concept of "separation" between church and state --- not about "state, cities or villages".

Doesn't exist at the Constitutional level.

First is about Congress not establishing a religion.

Separation of Church and State is about one line in a letter to the Danbury Baptists.

And the reason that sub-discussion is here is because some wag tried to pervert the meaning of the First Amendment in order to use it as a basis for his god-control campaign in schools.

as opposed to decades of removing any link to religion, at all, from government sites, based on one line in a letter to the Danbury Baptists.?

For those that actually wish to examine the issue further:
Separation of Church and State in the United States - Oxford Research Encyclopedia of American History

Brief quote:

"Separation of church and state has been part of the nation’s legal and cultural nomenclature since the early 1800s. Judges, politicians, educators, and even religious leaders have embraced church-state separation as central to church-state relations and a cornerstone of American democracy. The Supreme Court first employed the term “separation of church and state” in 1879 as shorthand for the meaning of the First Amendment’s religion clauses, stating “it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment.” To this day, most Americans support the principle of church-state separation as one of the hallmarks of American government. Although the phrase is not found in the Constitution, no organizing theory has had a greater impact on the way Americans conceptualize the intersection of religion, culture, and politics than the principle of church-state separation.4


Despite its inclusion in the pantheon of democratic virtues, separation of church and state did not become constitutional canon until the mid-twentieth century with incorporation of the Bill of Right to the states through the Fourteenth Amendment. In the modern Court’s first Establishment Clause holding, Everson v. Board of Education (1947), Justice Hugo Black wrote:

The “establishment of religion” clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another […] No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion […] In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect “a wall of separation between Church and State.”5


For approximately fifty years, separation of church and state was the touchstone for church-state jurisprudence, endorsed by liberal and conservative justices alike. Particularly in the earlier years, justices opined that the separation must be “absolute,” “uncompromising,” “high and impregnable,” and “complete and permanent,” although the rhetoric was usually more absolute than the ultimate holdings. (In fact, in Everson, the Court upheld the state reimbursement of transportation expenses for children to attend parochial schools.) While some judges and lawyers may have disagreed with the Court’s rhetoric, few contested the underlying principle.6"

 

[antifa]

this thread is the epitome of republicans having no grasp of reality

I think the Russians put up that sign.

there's a big difference between Russians and the Russian government. republicans sold their soul for a political win simply so they can bring about the apocalypse in our lifetime

 

[BS Filter]

This topic obviously disturbs the moderator on duty. Too bad. Grow up.

 

[BS Filter]

It's no wonder democrats are accused of being communists.
Minnesota Democrats wage war on God, faith and American history

Care to essplain to the class how defending the spirit of the United States Constitution wages a "war on God"? Or on "American history"?

What the fuck does "God" have to do with schooling anyway? That is, assuming one does not live in a theocracy?

Or DO we live in a theocracy? Maybe I slept through an Amendment process....

All your currency that says " In God we trust" can be donated to me if it offends you. Thanks.

 

[OldLady]

this thread is the epitome of republicans having no grasp of reality

I think the Russians put up that sign.

there's a big difference between Russians and the Russian government. republicans sold their soul for a political win simply so they can bring about the apocalypse in our lifetime

My point was that the sign was highly divisive and seemed to have no purpose but to inflame. That's the mission of the Russian trolls who have been infecting social media, yes? You know what I meant.

 

[antifa]

This topic obviously disturbs the moderator on duty. Too bad. Grow up.

why ignore what is being said to you? your OP is complete bullshit and a mod called you on it

 

[manifold]

It goes back to the former KKK member who was appointed to the Supreme Court by FDR. Justice Black was raised with an abiding hatred of Papists and his majority opinion in 1948 inventing the "separation of church and state" that did not exist in the Constitution was intended to curb the proliferation of Catholic schools that were springing up around the Country. A succession of hypocrite democrat administrations expanded the concept to Christmas trees on public property, Bibles in schools and even a silent prayer. Now we are faced with another idiotic democrat party assault on the 1st Amendment.

Holy shit. The Stupid is as thick as the Doublethink.

News flash Gomer --- the First Amendment is exactly where the Church *IS* separated from the State. Divorcing the source of legislative power AWAY FROM the Church, and the Aristocracy, was the whole POINT of this Great Experiment that wrote the entire Constitution.

That's why it's the first named entity in the first point of the Bill of Rights, to wit: "Congress shall make no Law respecting an establishment of Religion..." That is a direct rejection of what were up to that time the overbearing influences on state rulers --- the Clergy and the Aristocracy, a/k/a the First and Second Estates. The first was dismissed right there in the first point of the Bill of Rights, immediately and in no uncertain terms. The second was shut out in the rest of the document that spells out how the government is set up precisely at the pleasure of the goverrned. and pointedly NOT by some royal dynasty. That's the entire POINT of the Constitution.

Ignorance is Strength, right Winston?

SMFH

But maybe schools are being interpreted as "government" when they are actually microcosms of their community? As much as I see this incident as nothing but poking the bear, should a school be considered as "government?"

Anything funded by involuntary taxation is by definition “government”.

 

[BS Filter]

this thread is the epitome of republicans having no grasp of reality

I think the Russians put up that sign.

there's a big difference between Russians and the Russian government. republicans sold their soul for a political win simply so they can bring about the apocalypse in our lifetime

Oh, for sure. The Republicans and Putin are in cahoots, huh.

 

[antifa]

It goes back to the former KKK member who was appointed to the Supreme Court by FDR. Justice Black was raised with an abiding hatred of Papists and his majority opinion in 1948 inventing the "separation of church and state" that did not exist in the Constitution was intended to curb the proliferation of Catholic schools that were springing up around the Country. A succession of hypocrite democrat administrations expanded the concept to Christmas trees on public property, Bibles in schools and even a silent prayer. Now we are faced with another idiotic democrat party assault on the 1st Amendment.

Holy shit. The Stupid is as thick as the Doublethink.

News flash Gomer --- the First Amendment is exactly where the Church *IS* separated from the State. Divorcing the source of legislative power AWAY FROM the Church, and the Aristocracy, was the whole POINT of this Great Experiment that wrote the entire Constitution.

That's why it's the first named entity in the first point of the Bill of Rights, to wit: "Congress shall make no Law respecting an establishment of Religion..." That is a direct rejection of what were up to that time the overbearing influences on state rulers --- the Clergy and the Aristocracy, a/k/a the First and Second Estates. The first was dismissed right there in the first point of the Bill of Rights, immediately and in no uncertain terms. The second was shut out in the rest of the document that spells out how the government is set up precisely at the pleasure of the goverrned. and pointedly NOT by some royal dynasty. That's the entire POINT of the Constitution.

Ignorance is Strength, right Winston?

SMFH

But maybe schools are being interpreted as "government" when they are actually microcosms of their community? As much as I see this incident as nothing but poking the bear, should a school be considered as "government?"

Anything funded by involuntary taxation is by definition “government”.

look at Mani being an intellect in the fz

 

[BrokeLoser]

OP is backwards. The republicans are trying to push god into schools, Democrats are defending our tradition of separating church and state.

Yeah, we wouldn’t dare want these fucked up and twisted LefTard kids to be touched or influenced by a little biblical morality would we?

 

[OldLady]

OP is backwards. The republicans are trying to push god into schools, Democrats are defending our tradition of separating church and state.

Yeah, we wouldn’t dare want these fucked up and twisted LefTard kids to be touched or influenced by a little biblical morality would we?

No, we certainly wouldn't. If that is what I want for my kids, I will take them to Sunday School. Thank you very much.