Democracy or Capitalism

[Truthmatters]

You dont get to redefine words for your political lies.

 

[Spoonman]

Why do you people not know the differenace between pure or direct democracy and Democracy?


Who has been filling your heads with lies?

that's easy. one was spelled with a capitol D, the other with a small d

 

[Truthmatters]

Systems of Democracy




Presidential
Democracy Parliamentary
Democracy
Example: Switzerland Examples: USA, France Examples: UK, Germany, Spain, Italy
Head of State
Any member of government in turn (for one year), no practical importance The President is head of state and leader of the government Head of State
is a differnent function than prime minister, it may be a monarch (queen/king) or an elected person
Government: members with equal rights, elected by the parliament,
representing all major parties (not really unanimous, but extremely stable) President elected by the people nominates the ministers [members of government

 

[Avorysuds]

Why do you people not know the differenace between pure or direct democracy and Democracy?


Who has been filling your heads with lies?

We do, and here in the US we live in a Constitutional Republic.... Do you agree or disagree TM?

In fact, here is a better way to put it... TM, what better describes the system of Government we have in the US?

A: Democracy!

B: Constitutional Republic!

 

[Truthmatters]

They are the same.

A republic is a type of democracy.


You just want to change the definitions for some damned reason.

Why is that?

 

[Truthmatters]

Presidential
Democracy Example: Examples: USA, France


http://www.democracy-building.info/systems-democracy.html

 

[The T]

Why do you people not know the differenace between pure or direct democracy and Democracy?


Who has been filling your heads with lies?

True Democracy=Mob Rule.

Constitutional Republic=Rule Of Law

Better now?

 

[Robert]

We are a democracy.

Its the defintion of the word.

Quit trying to redefine words for your poltical point system

Representative Republic we are not a Democracy.

Granted, the Founders all recognized “the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances,” but they did so from the vantage point of a republican form of government rather than a democratic one. In fact, the fear of “democracy” was foremost in the minds of many of our Founders as this nation was birthed.

One of the reasons our Founders opposed democracy was because of its short life expectancy. Said John Adams, the second president of the United States: “Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” And because they feared the violence (think Wisconsin’s teachers’ unions) that usually accompanies a democracy’s suicide, Benjamin Rush warned: “A simple democracy is one of the greatest of evils.”

Predominantly, the Founders viewed democracy as “mob rule.” A form of government in which a mere a minority of the population could manipulate a majority of voters into supporting their cause, therefore giving the few control over the purses, the land, and the lives of the many. (Case in point: the 10% of the employees in this country who are unionized and who, through the partnership unions share with the Democrat Party, have been able to live off the monies confiscated from taxes on the 90% of non-unionized employees.)

On the other hand, our Founders adhered to a republican form of government because of its stability over the long haul. It wasn’t given to “change,” thus even the most charismatic of leaders, or politicians, would always be constrained by the limitations placed upon him (or her) by the Constitution and the laws of nature.

In this we are reminded of another reason our Founders preferred a republican form of government: namely, because it is rational rather than emotional.

It is democracy that provides an emotional base sufficient to allow a union boss to take to the airwaves (or the streets of Wisconsin) and defend the belief that their members ought to receive healthcare and pension benefits at the expense of someone else. Moreover, the emotionalism of a perceived democracy not only allows them to do this, but apparently also keeps them from feeling shame for having done it.

Clearly, one of the greatest lessons from Wisconsin is a reminder of why our Founding Fathers despised democracy.

» Lessons From Wisconsin: No Wonder the Founding Fathers Equated Democracy with Mob Rule - Big Government

Perhaps TDM can show us in the Founding Documents where the word appears? And why The Constitution was pushed rather than stay with the Articles Of Confederation?

I'll not hold my breath.

 

[Truthmatters]

Types of Democracy and Non-democratic Political Systems (C)





I. Types of Democracy:



A. Direct (Gitelson, p. 16, margin)



A1. Face-to-face

a. Ancient Greece

b. New England town meetings (see #405 below)



A2. Democracy by Petition: used only at state and local levels of government (Ross, p. 328-329)

a. Initiative (including Proposition 13- local government property tax reduction)

b. Referendum (rarely used)

[c. Recall election]



A3. Electronic Democracy (Ross text, p. 389- Ross Perot’s ‘electronic town meetings)



B. Indirect: Representative Democracy [Republic] (Gitelson, p. 16, margin)



B1. Requires protection for rights of minorities

B2. Requires widespread distribution of power so that no person or group of people has all the power

B3. Requires elections giving voters significant choices

B4. Requires widespread participation in decision-making

B5. Requires majority rule for some decisions

 

[Truthmatters]

Why do you people keep refusing the very definitions for words for your poltical purposes?

 

[Spoonman]

is there a point to all this shit?

 

[DontBeStupid]

You just want to change the definitions for some damned reason.

Why is that?

They will do everything they can to NOT admit that we were NOT founded to be some glorious capitalistic society.

 

[Truthmatters]

Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How i wish they would be willing to at least agree with the actual definitions of words and terms.

They seem to recognise NO ONE but their masters defintions.


It has been established what the word democracy meant longer than our country has exsisted.

 

[The T]

You just want to change the definitions for some damned reason.

Why is that?

They will do everything they can to NOT admit that we were NOT founded to be some glorious capitalistic society.

Take a cue from your screen moniker. What was the main event or series of events that triggered the Revolutionary War?

You need to shed your revisionist History you were taught sport.

 

[Truthmatters]

Capitalism unrestrained created the very powers our founders fought against for their freedoms.

Thaat is how the kings were made.

By cornering the markets on all the goods in their areas and consolidating wealth over generations into the same family hands.


The founders chose democracy to control those excesses.


Now the right denys the very motivations fo the founders.

 

[DiamondDave]

They are the same.

A republic is a type of democracy.


You just want to change the definitions for some damned reason.

Why is that?

No.. they are not...

Legal Dictionary

Main Entry: de·moc·ra·cy
Pronunciation: di-'mä-kr&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural -cies
1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority

What our founders wanted to keep away from and protect from was the mob rule of pure majority... hence why we went with the constitutional republic over a democracy

 

[Truthmatters]

No link huh?

 

[DiamondDave]

No link huh?

Democracy | Define Democracy at Dictionary.com

Look under the LEGAL dictionary part... idiot

 

[Truthmatters]

Legal Dictionary

Main Entry: de·moc·ra·cy
Pronunciation: di-'mä-kr&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural -cies
1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2 : a political unit that has a democratic government — dem·o·crat·ic /"de-m&-'kra-tik/ adjective — dem·o·crat·i·cal·ly





Then why did you cut off the part that says EXACTLY what I claimed it said.

You are a horrible liar.

 

[Wry Catcher]

And yet you fully support Obama, the most owned man in the history of the world by big corporations and the rich. The biggest war president in US history and still hold the title of Bush's Evil Policies repealed = zero.

Wait, your cock hungry for Obamabunz… No amount of reality and FACTS will ever sway your blind obedient and servitude to your master. Hell, we live in a Democracy because we all voted on Obamacare and to start a war with Libya and Pakistan... to expand Afghanistan and to still be in Iraq... to expand homeland security and torture people. All voted on in our Democracy.

It's a bit early for you to be drunk so the profane and hatful comments in this post suggest a serious anger issue as well as historical ignorance. I suggest you listen to Mel Gibson's drunken rant and see how others might precieve your vile post.

Yes, others view me as Mel Gibson... Good call.

So, America is a Democracy WCer?

Yep, we are a democracy as in the meaning of "a representative constitutional democracy"

We directly elect our representatives to the Congress; and electors actually elect the president. We do not vote directly on federal laws, but can in states with the Initiative and Referandums.

The initiative process in California is responsible for Proposition 8, which provides a good example of tyranny by the majority.

Simple civics, something any high school graduate ought to know.