Democracy or Capitalism

[The T]

Everybody knows our founders were far left Nanny Staters who envisioned a society built upon 90% tax rates and institutionalized welfare with 50% of the population contributing $0.

You'd think that from some of the answers here. They show their ignorence and indoctrination

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

What was the main event or series of events that triggered the Revolutionary War?

American Enlightenment.

Staying true to your Moniker I see.

He probably thinks the colonists were mad because their welfare checks were late.

 

[The T]

Wow


I may just be a stupid dirty coal miner but even I learned what our system of government was in school.

I really hope that Obama paid attention in school and realizes we are a Constitutional Republic and not a democracy.

He's a supposed Constitutional Scholar...didn't you get the memo?

/Sarcasm

 

[Contumacious]

Is capitalism (or ANY economic system) mentioned in the US Constitution?

How free is a people who are not free to trade and work as they choose?

The US Constitution is a framework for governing; it's not a framework for an economic system.

Exactly.

The federal government was given specific authority to loot, plunder, confiscate in order to finance the welfare/warfare state.

Why can't those buffoons understand that.

As always, Heil Hitler.
.

 

[DontBeStupid]

What was the main event or series of events that triggered the Revolutionary War?

American Enlightenment.

Staying true to your Moniker I see.

Does that mean you disagree? Why can't you just be man enough to say you disagree?

Ok, so what do you think it was then?

 

[The T]

How free is a people who are not free to trade and work as they choose?

The US Constitution is a framework for governing; it's not a framework for an economic system.

Exactly.

The federal government was given specific authority to loot, plunder, confiscate in order to finance the welfare/warfare state.

Why can't those buffoons understand that.

As always, Heil Hitler.
.

You forgot stealing liberty of the living, and stealing the livlihoods of those yet to be born (into slavery) to pay for it.

 

[The T]

American Enlightenment.

Staying true to your Moniker I see.

Does that mean you disagree? Why can't you just be man enough to say you disagree?

Ok, so what do you think it was then?

Ah can
t help it if you caint read. Anuther victum uv gubmint skools ah sea...

 

[DontBeStupid]

Staying true to your Moniker I see.

Does that mean you disagree? Why can't you just be man enough to say you disagree?

Ok, so what do you think it was then?

Ah cant help it if you caint read. Anuther victum uv gubmint skools ah sea...

It is rather hard to read an answer you never wrote. But hey, if you're too cowardly to respond, that's cool. Good luck with that.

 

[Bfgrn]

democracy

capitalism



Which one did our founder feel was needed in this country to make it function better than all other governments of the time?

Neither. They chose a Republic because it was the best form of government to ensure we had freedom in our life, including freedom in economics, aka Capitalism.

The real question is do you want freedom or do you want the government controlling everything?

You've clearly chosen the latter.

How do you explain that our founding fathers heavily regulated corporations?

A word that appears nowhere in the Constitution is "corporation," for the writers had no interest in using for-profit corporations to run their new government.

Corporations could not own stock in other corporations, and they were prohibited from any part of the political process. Individual stockholders were held personally liable for any harms done in the name of the corporation. In order to receive the profit-making privileges the shareholders sought, their corporations had to represent a clear benefit for the public good. And when corporations violated any of these terms, their charters were frequently revoked.

 

[Avatar4321]

democracy

capitalism



Which one did our founder feel was needed in this country to make it function better than all other governments of the time?

Neither. They chose a Republic because it was the best form of government to ensure we had freedom in our life, including freedom in economics, aka Capitalism.

The real question is do you want freedom or do you want the government controlling everything?

You've clearly chosen the latter.

How do you explain that our founding fathers heavily regulated corporations?

A word that appears nowhere in the Constitution is "corporation," for the writers had no interest in using for-profit corporations to run their new government.

Corporations could not own stock in other corporations, and they were prohibited from any part of the political process. Individual stockholders were held personally liable for any harms done in the name of the corporation. In order to receive the profit-making privileges the shareholders sought, their corporations had to represent a clear benefit for the public good. And when corporations violated any of these terms, their charters were frequently revoked.

Your obsession with corporations is disturbing.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Neither. They chose a Republic because it was the best form of government to ensure we had freedom in our life, including freedom in economics, aka Capitalism.

The real question is do you want freedom or do you want the government controlling everything?

You've clearly chosen the latter.

How do you explain that our founding fathers heavily regulated corporations?

A word that appears nowhere in the Constitution is "corporation," for the writers had no interest in using for-profit corporations to run their new government.

Corporations could not own stock in other corporations, and they were prohibited from any part of the political process. Individual stockholders were held personally liable for any harms done in the name of the corporation. In order to receive the profit-making privileges the shareholders sought, their corporations had to represent a clear benefit for the public good. And when corporations violated any of these terms, their charters were frequently revoked.

Your obsession with corporations is disturbing.

Your willful ignorance is very disturbing. Why not read the link and comment on it?

 

[DontBeStupid]

Your obsession with corporations is disturbing.

Conservatives obsession with giving rights to entities that aren't people, that's disturbing.

 

[Avatar4321]

Your obsession with corporations is disturbing.

Conservatives obsession with giving rights to entities that aren't people, that's disturbing.

Groups of people have always had rights.

I dont know why you seem to think you can regulate someone's speech simply because they decided to incorporate.

 

[Avatar4321]

i dont really care, capitalism wasnt the main goal

So they didn't want economic freedom at all.

 

[DontBeStupid]

I dont know why you seem to think you can regulate someone's speech simply because they decided to incorporate.

A corporation is not a person. Saying that GE can't spend unlimited sums of money on lying propaganda would in no way hinder your free speech or the free speech of anyone working for GE or holding shares of stock for GE.

Do you honestly believe that corps were endowed by their creator with the same inalienable rights that you have?

 

[oreo]

I think this is the fastest I have ever seen TM owned in one of her spam threads. This is also why I can't put TM on ignore, you can't pay people to be this stupid, and it's funny as hell to see.

Do they teach civics and American history in secondary school anymore? Something in the pledge of alligance--that states--"For the REPUBLIC for which it stands" comes to mind.

 

[Antiderivative]

In the historical sense, I am a liberal. I am minimal statist and believe in free markets.

However, we don't have free markets in this country. We have corporatism, in which modern day liberals confuse as free markets.

Free and open markets would erode the state, Wall St, corproratists, and the MIC powers. However, our rulers depend heavily on the state granted monopolies and political favoristism.

IOW, you created a false dichotomy.

 

[Bfgrn]

Neither. They chose a Republic because it was the best form of government to ensure we had freedom in our life, including freedom in economics, aka Capitalism.

The real question is do you want freedom or do you want the government controlling everything?

You've clearly chosen the latter.

How do you explain that our founding fathers heavily regulated corporations?

A word that appears nowhere in the Constitution is "corporation," for the writers had no interest in using for-profit corporations to run their new government.

Corporations could not own stock in other corporations, and they were prohibited from any part of the political process. Individual stockholders were held personally liable for any harms done in the name of the corporation. In order to receive the profit-making privileges the shareholders sought, their corporations had to represent a clear benefit for the public good. And when corporations violated any of these terms, their charters were frequently revoked.

Your obsession with corporations is disturbing.

Yea, my obsession with corporations is just like our founding fathers obsession with corporations and the obsession with corporations of numerous leaders throughout our history like Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln and Dwight Eisenhower.

In colonial times, corporations were tools of the king's oppression, chartered for the purpose of exploiting the so-called "New World" and shoveling wealth back into Europe. The rich formed joint-stock corporations to distribute the enormous risk of colonizing the Americas and gave them names like the Hudson Bay Company, the British East India Company, and the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Because they were so far from their sovereign - the king - the agents for these corporations had a lot of autonomy to do their work; they could pass laws, levy taxes, and even raise armies to manage and control property and commerce. They were not popular with the colonists.

The Boston Tea Party was a protest over corporate tax cuts that would give the British East India Company a monopoly on tea, and put local shopkeepers out of business.

The colonists were not interested in cheaper tea, they were interested in protecting their community based economies.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

What the founders designed was not caplitalism was it.

Captialism already exsisted and produced Kings and Queens.

The founder saw that this capitalism needed some tempering by the people.


I think they were right.

government is not the economy truthmatters. Dont you get that, the govt is NOT the economy.

And we dont have a democracy.

Why do you try to get all smart like this without studying the subject your trying to be a master of?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Its kind of interesting how blown their minds are by this simple question most school children would have no problem with.

Translation: "These fools fell for another one of my bait threads..."

About sum it up TDM?

but if you read the first 4 pages she basically had this blow up in her face. I hope now she has a better grasp of our government.