Criticism of Israel is NOT Anti-Semitism

[Challenger]

The way you spout the propaganda shows you were well trained by your handlers, but the facts are the facts. The source documentation clearly shows that Jordan had nothing to do with Palestine territorially, a separate section in the Reports of The Mandatory was established for Trans-Jordan. To wit:

X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year.

When Palestine west of the Jordan was occupied by the British Army and placed under a British military administration, over Trans-Jordania and a large part of Syria there was established an Arab administration, with its capital at Damascus. The ruler was His Highness the Emir Feisal, the third son of H.M. King Hussein, the King of the Hejaz. When Damascus was occupied by French troops in July, 1920, and the Emir Feisal withdrew, it was necessary to adopt fresh measures in Trans-Jordania. I proceeded to the central town of Salt on August 20th, and, at an assembly of notables and sheikhs of the district, announced that His Majesty's Government favoured the establishment of a system of local self- government, assisted by a small number of British officers as advisers.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921




Your reading comprehension is limited, but even you can understand what the British intended:

"They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine "

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

You forget that the original mandate included what is Jordan as part of the Jewish National Home, and it was the ANSTI SEMITIC British that had the LoN change the mandate to give that land to the arab muslims. The proviso was that the arab muslims in Jewish Palestine were to be relocated in Jordan by force if necessary. The intention was for A RESURECTED JEWISH NATIONAL HOME IN PALESTINE based on the words of the Balfour declaration and the terms of the Mandate.

Complete and utter drivel. I like the way he calls the British "Anti-Semitic" in one breath then gives us credit for "resurrecting the Jewish national home in Palestine"...

 

[montelatici]

The old guy is senile. He has an engrained hate for non-Jews the British included.

 

[Roudy]

The way you spout the propaganda shows you were well trained by your handlers, but the facts are the facts. The source documentation clearly shows that Jordan had nothing to do with Palestine territorially, a separate section in the Reports of The Mandatory was established for Trans-Jordan. To wit:

X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year.

When Palestine west of the Jordan was occupied by the British Army and placed under a British military administration, over Trans-Jordania and a large part of Syria there was established an Arab administration, with its capital at Damascus. The ruler was His Highness the Emir Feisal, the third son of H.M. King Hussein, the King of the Hejaz. When Damascus was occupied by French troops in July, 1920, and the Emir Feisal withdrew, it was necessary to adopt fresh measures in Trans-Jordania. I proceeded to the central town of Salt on August 20th, and, at an assembly of notables and sheikhs of the district, announced that His Majesty's Government favoured the establishment of a system of local self- government, assisted by a small number of British officers as advisers.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921




Your reading comprehension is limited, but even you can understand what the British intended:

"They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine "

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

You forget that the original mandate included what is Jordan as part of the Jewish National Home, and it was the ANSTI SEMITIC British that had the LoN change the mandate to give that land to the arab muslims. The proviso was that the arab muslims in Jewish Palestine were to be relocated in Jordan by force if necessary. The intention was for A RESURECTED JEWISH NATIONAL HOME IN PALESTINE based on the words of the Balfour declaration and the terms of the Mandate.

Complete and utter drivel. I like the way he calls the British "Anti-Semitic" in one breath then gives us credit for "resurrecting the Jewish national home in Palestine"...

Yes, there were anti Semetic elements in the British, especially the Irish, who sided with the Nazis. So there were Nazi sympathizers at the time, and there still is.

Palestine which included Jordan was supposed to be the Jewish national home, but after much whining from the Arabs, Jordan was cut off and given as a "reward" to ruler who wasn't even Jordanian. But even that wasn't enough for the greedy Arabs. Apparently turning 99% of conquered Ottoman Empire land into "Arab Muslim national homes" wasn't enough, they just couldn't accept ANY Jewish controlled territory. Arabs turned to violence and started killing Jews and a civil war erupted, which was won by the Jews. The end.

"In 1921, Colonial Secretary Winston Churchill severed nearly four-fifths of Palestine—some 35,000 square miles—to create a brand new Arab entity, Transjordan. As a consolation prize for the Hejaz and Arabia (which are both now Saudi Arabia) going to the Saud family, Churchill rewarded Sherif Hussein’s son Abdullah for his contribution to the war against Turkey by installing him as Transjordan’s emir."

 

[Roudy]

The old guy is senile. He has an engrained hate for non-Jews the British included.

All we see is the ingrained Jew hate coming from mentally ill morons like you.

 

[Challenger]

The way you spout the propaganda shows you were well trained by your handlers, but the facts are the facts. The source documentation clearly shows that Jordan had nothing to do with Palestine territorially, a separate section in the Reports of The Mandatory was established for Trans-Jordan. To wit:

X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year.

When Palestine west of the Jordan was occupied by the British Army and placed under a British military administration, over Trans-Jordania and a large part of Syria there was established an Arab administration, with its capital at Damascus. The ruler was His Highness the Emir Feisal, the third son of H.M. King Hussein, the King of the Hejaz. When Damascus was occupied by French troops in July, 1920, and the Emir Feisal withdrew, it was necessary to adopt fresh measures in Trans-Jordania. I proceeded to the central town of Salt on August 20th, and, at an assembly of notables and sheikhs of the district, announced that His Majesty's Government favoured the establishment of a system of local self- government, assisted by a small number of British officers as advisers.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921




Your reading comprehension is limited, but even you can understand what the British intended:

"They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine "

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

You forget that the original mandate included what is Jordan as part of the Jewish National Home, and it was the ANSTI SEMITIC British that had the LoN change the mandate to give that land to the arab muslims. The proviso was that the arab muslims in Jewish Palestine were to be relocated in Jordan by force if necessary. The intention was for A RESURECTED JEWISH NATIONAL HOME IN PALESTINE based on the words of the Balfour declaration and the terms of the Mandate.

Complete and utter drivel. I like the way he calls the British "Anti-Semitic" in one breath then gives us credit for "resurrecting the Jewish national home in Palestine"...

Yes, there were anti Semetic elements in the British, especially the Irish, who sided with the Nazis. So there were Nazi sympathizers at the time, and there still is.

Palestine which included Jordan was supposed to be the Jewish national home, but after much whining from the Arabs, Jordan was cut off and given as a "reward" to ruler who wasn't even Jordanian. But even that wasn't enough for the greedy Arabs. Apparently turning 99% of conquered Ottoman Empire land into "Arab Muslim national homes" wasn't enough, they just couldn't accept ANY Jewish controlled territory. Arabs turned to violence and started killing Jews and a civil war erupted, which was won by the Jews. The end.

"In 1921, Colonial Secretary Winston Churchill severed nearly four-fifths of Palestine—some 35,000 square miles—to create a brand new Arab entity, Transjordan. As a consolation prize for the Hejaz and Arabia (which are both now Saudi Arabia) going to the Saud family, Churchill rewarded Sherif Hussein’s son Abdullah for his contribution to the war against Turkey by installing him as Transjordan’s emir."

Thing about the Myths and Facts website is that far too often they get the "Zionist myths" confused with the "facts".

 

[abu afak]

Thing about the Myths and Facts website is that far too often they get the "Zionist myths" confused with the "facts".

Hows it Going for the Longest Running Evasion on USMB?

You STILL Have NOT defined 'Zionist', just DISHONESTLY said you have.
Giving us riddles and Lies instead.

Anytime you're ready.

Perhaps your thanker, Mod-Coyote can point to your Definition for us?
Nope.
Because Coyote posts are as DISHONEST as yours.
Coyote's posts are a DISGRACE to this message board too.
`

 

[Phoenall]

Just shows the legal immigrants that should have only ever been Jews, the booklet refuses to give numbers for ILLEGAL ARAB MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS because they were so high. And Winston Churchill disagreed with these findings in the House of Commons calling the authors LIARS. He should know being a Minister in His Majesties Government at the time.

A work of thousands of pages in three volumes is not a "booklet".

The Survey does, in fact, make a clear statement on the sources of population growth for the three religious groups. It is on page 140 of Volume 1, which clearly states that Muslim and Christian increases were from natural growth and the Jewish increase was due to immigration.

View attachment 36769

As usual you can go to the Berman Jewish Policy Archives at NYU/Wagner universities to confirm this fact. Remember page 140, volume 1. You see, Phoney, unlike you I have the facts behind everyone of my assertions. All you do is bullshit, constantly bullshit.
A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Meh...the illegal Arab invasion of the land was observed and noted by British officials in the Mandate as well as Arab rulers. There simply was no infrastructure in place to record the vast numbers of Arabs flocking into the region, nor was there any interest in the investment in setting it up. After all, the land was conquered after a grueling war with the Germans and Ottomans, and it was designated as the future Jewish state, so it didn't really matter, the British were on their way out.

Nope, the report is clear it concludes that there was substantial Jew immigration and insignificant non-Jewish immigration to Palestine. And, the report was American as well as British and was published by the United States Department of State.

Sorry that the facts don't jive with your propaganda. In fact, the report addresses this propaganda directly. Amazing isn't it. The Anglo-American committee understood how the Zionists, like Ruddy, would try to twist the facts.

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and

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A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Pages 211 and 212 of volume 1.

Report? People can't keep track of illegals today, with all the modern technology and advanced techniques. You want the British with a temporary govt. Established in territory they conquered after a grueling war with the Germans and Ottomans to have had such a system in place? Ha ha ha. Get over it.

Besides, the land was designated to become The future Jewish state. You can quote all the bogus numbers and propoganda you want. It really doesn't matter, the Arab invaders had no say. Just like they had no say when the Ottomans conquered the region and controlled it for 700 years. Period, end of story.

It was actually a lot easier then as there was not so much in the way of the transport infrastructure we have now, even in a "modern" society you could go through a whole day without seeing a car or truck in the 1920's and 30's. Illegal immigrants had limited means of entry and these were usually under military, police or customs surveillance. There was undoubtedly some bribery and corruption to allow Illegal immigrants in, especially when it came to over quota European Jewish immigrants, but it is generally accepted that the British censuses of 1922 and 1931 provide the most reliable figures.

No. "...the establishment IN Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

A national home (tellingly, not THE national home) for the Jewish people was to be facilitated IN Palestine. At no point did the British promise the whole, or any part for that matter, of Palestine as a Jewish "state". This is just Zionist fantasy.

Zionist historiography likes to portray a mass Arab migration into Palestine but this is largely a myth. In the 7th century CE when the Arabs conquered Byzantine Palestine and Syria and Sassanian Mesopotamia, the Arab "elites" expelled the Byzantine "elites" from Palestine and took over their houses and estates. The "common" people were left alone and what Arab migration there was, was channelled towards southern Mesopotamia (Iraq) and Persia (Iran). The local Christian population, in Palestine became “Arabised” over the succeeding centuries, when Arabic replaced Greek as the official language, even Judaism was abandoned and almost died out until Nahmanides turned up and sparked a rebirth of the religion in the area. Two books well worth the read on the subject:

Empire and Elites after the Muslim Conquest The Transformation of Northern Mesopotamia Cambridge Studies in Islamic Civilization Amazon.co.uk Chase F. Robinson 9780521028738 Books

The Great Arab Conquests How The Spread Of Islam Changed The World We Live In Amazon.co.uk Hugh Kennedy 9780753823897 Books

For those that want an objective view from academic sources.

The way you spout the propaganda shows you were well trained by your handlers, but the facts are the facts. The source documentation clearly shows that Jordan had nothing to do with Palestine territorially, a separate section in the Reports of The Mandatory was established for Trans-Jordan. To wit:

X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year.

When Palestine west of the Jordan was occupied by the British Army and placed under a British military administration, over Trans-Jordania and a large part of Syria there was established an Arab administration, with its capital at Damascus. The ruler was His Highness the Emir Feisal, the third son of H.M. King Hussein, the King of the Hejaz. When Damascus was occupied by French troops in July, 1920, and the Emir Feisal withdrew, it was necessary to adopt fresh measures in Trans-Jordania. I proceeded to the central town of Salt on August 20th, and, at an assembly of notables and sheikhs of the district, announced that His Majesty's Government favoured the establishment of a system of local self- government, assisted by a small number of British officers as advisers.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921




Your reading comprehension is limited, but even you can understand what the British intended:

"They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine "

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

You forget that the original mandate included what is Jordan as part of the Jewish National Home, and it was the ANSTI SEMITIC British that had the LoN change the mandate to give that land to the arab muslims. The proviso was that the arab muslims in Jewish Palestine were to be relocated in Jordan by force if necessary. The intention was for A RESURECTED JEWISH NATIONAL HOME IN PALESTINE based on the words of the Balfour declaration and the terms of the Mandate.

Complete and utter drivel. I like the way he calls the British "Anti-Semitic" in one breath then gives us credit for "resurrecting the Jewish national home in Palestine"...

Get it the right way round the British were instrumental in setting up the National Home for the Jews. After WW1 the British authorities became more and more Anti Semitic and reneged on every promise they made to the Jews. After WW2 they even turned Jews away from Palestine against the Mandate and put them into death camps. A very sad day for Britain and the Jews.

 

[Phoenall]

The old guy is senile. He has an engrained hate for non-Jews the British included.

Not as senile as you it seems that cant see the LIES in your own link's. The only people I have a hatred for are the muslims that follow the Koran and worship allah.

 

[Roudy]

A work of thousands of pages in three volumes is not a "booklet".

The Survey does, in fact, make a clear statement on the sources of population growth for the three religious groups. It is on page 140 of Volume 1, which clearly states that Muslim and Christian increases were from natural growth and the Jewish increase was due to immigration.

View attachment 36769

As usual you can go to the Berman Jewish Policy Archives at NYU/Wagner universities to confirm this fact. Remember page 140, volume 1. You see, Phoney, unlike you I have the facts behind everyone of my assertions. All you do is bullshit, constantly bullshit.
A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Meh...the illegal Arab invasion of the land was observed and noted by British officials in the Mandate as well as Arab rulers. There simply was no infrastructure in place to record the vast numbers of Arabs flocking into the region, nor was there any interest in the investment in setting it up. After all, the land was conquered after a grueling war with the Germans and Ottomans, and it was designated as the future Jewish state, so it didn't really matter, the British were on their way out.

Nope, the report is clear it concludes that there was substantial Jew immigration and insignificant non-Jewish immigration to Palestine. And, the report was American as well as British and was published by the United States Department of State.

Sorry that the facts don't jive with your propaganda. In fact, the report addresses this propaganda directly. Amazing isn't it. The Anglo-American committee understood how the Zionists, like Ruddy, would try to twist the facts.

View attachment 36781

and

View attachment 36782

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Pages 211 and 212 of volume 1.

Report? People can't keep track of illegals today, with all the modern technology and advanced techniques. You want the British with a temporary govt. Established in territory they conquered after a grueling war with the Germans and Ottomans to have had such a system in place? Ha ha ha. Get over it.

Besides, the land was designated to become The future Jewish state. You can quote all the bogus numbers and propoganda you want. It really doesn't matter, the Arab invaders had no say. Just like they had no say when the Ottomans conquered the region and controlled it for 700 years. Period, end of story.

It was actually a lot easier then as there was not so much in the way of the transport infrastructure we have now, even in a "modern" society you could go through a whole day without seeing a car or truck in the 1920's and 30's. Illegal immigrants had limited means of entry and these were usually under military, police or customs surveillance. There was undoubtedly some bribery and corruption to allow Illegal immigrants in, especially when it came to over quota European Jewish immigrants, but it is generally accepted that the British censuses of 1922 and 1931 provide the most reliable figures.

No. "...the establishment IN Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

A national home (tellingly, not THE national home) for the Jewish people was to be facilitated IN Palestine. At no point did the British promise the whole, or any part for that matter, of Palestine as a Jewish "state". This is just Zionist fantasy.

Zionist historiography likes to portray a mass Arab migration into Palestine but this is largely a myth. In the 7th century CE when the Arabs conquered Byzantine Palestine and Syria and Sassanian Mesopotamia, the Arab "elites" expelled the Byzantine "elites" from Palestine and took over their houses and estates. The "common" people were left alone and what Arab migration there was, was channelled towards southern Mesopotamia (Iraq) and Persia (Iran). The local Christian population, in Palestine became “Arabised” over the succeeding centuries, when Arabic replaced Greek as the official language, even Judaism was abandoned and almost died out until Nahmanides turned up and sparked a rebirth of the religion in the area. Two books well worth the read on the subject:

Empire and Elites after the Muslim Conquest The Transformation of Northern Mesopotamia Cambridge Studies in Islamic Civilization Amazon.co.uk Chase F. Robinson 9780521028738 Books

The Great Arab Conquests How The Spread Of Islam Changed The World We Live In Amazon.co.uk Hugh Kennedy 9780753823897 Books

For those that want an objective view from academic sources.

The way you spout the propaganda shows you were well trained by your handlers, but the facts are the facts. The source documentation clearly shows that Jordan had nothing to do with Palestine territorially, a separate section in the Reports of The Mandatory was established for Trans-Jordan. To wit:

X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year.

When Palestine west of the Jordan was occupied by the British Army and placed under a British military administration, over Trans-Jordania and a large part of Syria there was established an Arab administration, with its capital at Damascus. The ruler was His Highness the Emir Feisal, the third son of H.M. King Hussein, the King of the Hejaz. When Damascus was occupied by French troops in July, 1920, and the Emir Feisal withdrew, it was necessary to adopt fresh measures in Trans-Jordania. I proceeded to the central town of Salt on August 20th, and, at an assembly of notables and sheikhs of the district, announced that His Majesty's Government favoured the establishment of a system of local self- government, assisted by a small number of British officers as advisers.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921




Your reading comprehension is limited, but even you can understand what the British intended:

"They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine "

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

You forget that the original mandate included what is Jordan as part of the Jewish National Home, and it was the ANSTI SEMITIC British that had the LoN change the mandate to give that land to the arab muslims. The proviso was that the arab muslims in Jewish Palestine were to be relocated in Jordan by force if necessary. The intention was for A RESURECTED JEWISH NATIONAL HOME IN PALESTINE based on the words of the Balfour declaration and the terms of the Mandate.

Complete and utter drivel. I like the way he calls the British "Anti-Semitic" in one breath then gives us credit for "resurrecting the Jewish national home in Palestine"...

Get it the right way round the British were instrumental in setting up the National Home for the Jews. After WW1 the British authorities became more and more Anti Semitic and reneged on every promise they made to the Jews. After WW2 they even turned Jews away from Palestine against the Mandate and put them into death camps. A very sad day for Britain and the Jews.

We should be thanking Montelatici and challenger for proving our point, that anti Zionism is indeed anti semetism. They exhibit their anti semetism almost every time they post. Ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

The way you spout the propaganda shows you were well trained by your handlers, but the facts are the facts. The source documentation clearly shows that Jordan had nothing to do with Palestine territorially, a separate section in the Reports of The Mandatory was established for Trans-Jordan. To wit:

X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year.

When Palestine west of the Jordan was occupied by the British Army and placed under a British military administration, over Trans-Jordania and a large part of Syria there was established an Arab administration, with its capital at Damascus. The ruler was His Highness the Emir Feisal, the third son of H.M. King Hussein, the King of the Hejaz. When Damascus was occupied by French troops in July, 1920, and the Emir Feisal withdrew, it was necessary to adopt fresh measures in Trans-Jordania. I proceeded to the central town of Salt on August 20th, and, at an assembly of notables and sheikhs of the district, announced that His Majesty's Government favoured the establishment of a system of local self- government, assisted by a small number of British officers as advisers.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921




Your reading comprehension is limited, but even you can understand what the British intended:

"They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine "

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

You forget that the original mandate included what is Jordan as part of the Jewish National Home, and it was the ANSTI SEMITIC British that had the LoN change the mandate to give that land to the arab muslims. The proviso was that the arab muslims in Jewish Palestine were to be relocated in Jordan by force if necessary. The intention was for A RESURECTED JEWISH NATIONAL HOME IN PALESTINE based on the words of the Balfour declaration and the terms of the Mandate.

Complete and utter drivel. I like the way he calls the British "Anti-Semitic" in one breath then gives us credit for "resurrecting the Jewish national home in Palestine"...

Yes, there were anti Semetic elements in the British, especially the Irish, who sided with the Nazis. So there were Nazi sympathizers at the time, and there still is.

Palestine which included Jordan was supposed to be the Jewish national home, but after much whining from the Arabs, Jordan was cut off and given as a "reward" to ruler who wasn't even Jordanian. But even that wasn't enough for the greedy Arabs. Apparently turning 99% of conquered Ottoman Empire land into "Arab Muslim national homes" wasn't enough, they just couldn't accept ANY Jewish controlled territory. Arabs turned to violence and started killing Jews and a civil war erupted, which was won by the Jews. The end.

"In 1921, Colonial Secretary Winston Churchill severed nearly four-fifths of Palestine—some 35,000 square miles—to create a brand new Arab entity, Transjordan. As a consolation prize for the Hejaz and Arabia (which are both now Saudi Arabia) going to the Saud family, Churchill rewarded Sherif Hussein’s son Abdullah for his contribution to the war against Turkey by installing him as Transjordan’s emir."

Thing about the Myths and Facts website is that far too often they get the "Zionist myths" confused with the "facts".

That's not from the myths and facts website, idiot. Which by the way is pretty factual.

 

[montelatici]

The way you spout the propaganda shows you were well trained by your handlers, but the facts are the facts. The source documentation clearly shows that Jordan had nothing to do with Palestine territorially, a separate section in the Reports of The Mandatory was established for Trans-Jordan. To wit:

X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year.

When Palestine west of the Jordan was occupied by the British Army and placed under a British military administration, over Trans-Jordania and a large part of Syria there was established an Arab administration, with its capital at Damascus. The ruler was His Highness the Emir Feisal, the third son of H.M. King Hussein, the King of the Hejaz. When Damascus was occupied by French troops in July, 1920, and the Emir Feisal withdrew, it was necessary to adopt fresh measures in Trans-Jordania. I proceeded to the central town of Salt on August 20th, and, at an assembly of notables and sheikhs of the district, announced that His Majesty's Government favoured the establishment of a system of local self- government, assisted by a small number of British officers as advisers.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921




Your reading comprehension is limited, but even you can understand what the British intended:

"They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine "

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

You forget that the original mandate included what is Jordan as part of the Jewish National Home, and it was the ANSTI SEMITIC British that had the LoN change the mandate to give that land to the arab muslims. The proviso was that the arab muslims in Jewish Palestine were to be relocated in Jordan by force if necessary. The intention was for A RESURECTED JEWISH NATIONAL HOME IN PALESTINE based on the words of the Balfour declaration and the terms of the Mandate.

Complete and utter drivel. I like the way he calls the British "Anti-Semitic" in one breath then gives us credit for "resurrecting the Jewish national home in Palestine"...

Yes, there were anti Semetic elements in the British, especially the Irish, who sided with the Nazis. So there were Nazi sympathizers at the time, and there still is.

Palestine which included Jordan was supposed to be the Jewish national home, but after much whining from the Arabs, Jordan was cut off and given as a "reward" to ruler who wasn't even Jordanian. But even that wasn't enough for the greedy Arabs. Apparently turning 99% of conquered Ottoman Empire land into "Arab Muslim national homes" wasn't enough, they just couldn't accept ANY Jewish controlled territory. Arabs turned to violence and started killing Jews and a civil war erupted, which was won by the Jews. The end.

"In 1921, Colonial Secretary Winston Churchill severed nearly four-fifths of Palestine—some 35,000 square miles—to create a brand new Arab entity, Transjordan. As a consolation prize for the Hejaz and Arabia (which are both now Saudi Arabia) going to the Saud family, Churchill rewarded Sherif Hussein’s son Abdullah for his contribution to the war against Turkey by installing him as Transjordan’s emir."

While included in the Mandate, Palestine did not include Jordan. It was a separate territory, As the source documents confirm. Cut the propaganda.

"

"Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year.

When Palestine west of the Jordan was occupied by the British Army and placed under a British military administration, over Trans-Jordania and a large part of Syria there was established an Arab administration, with its capital at Damascus. The ruler was His Highness the Emir Feisal, the third son of H.M. King Hussein, the King of the Hejaz. When Damascus was occupied by French troops in July, 1920, and the Emir Feisal withdrew, it was necessary to adopt fresh measures in Trans-Jordania. I proceeded to the central town of Salt on August 20th, and, at an assembly of notables and sheikhs of the district, announced that His Majesty's Government favoured the establishment of a system of local self- government, assisted by a small number of British officers as advisers.
- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

 

[montelatici]

And, just to insure that the propaganda you clowns constantly post is proven as such, here is the source documentation delineating the legal definition of Palestine geographically: So please stop with the propaganda.

"Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.

The boundaries are described as follows:--

• • 
    South.--From a point west of Rafa on the Mediterranean to a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba.
    
    East.--From a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba up the centre of the Wadi Araba, the Dead Sea, and the River Jordan, to the junction of the latter with the River Yarmuk, thence up the centre of the River Yarmuk to the Syrian frontier.
    
    North.--The northern boundary was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Stated briefly, the boundary runs from Ras el Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to Metulla and across the upper Jordan valley to Banias, thence to Jisr Banat Yaqub, thence along the Jordan to the Lake of Tiberias on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line.
    
    West.--The Mediterranean Sea.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations 31 December 1933

 

[Roudy]

^^^^^^
Nope nope nope. Transjordan was part of the Palestine mandate and was supposed to be included in the future Jewish state. However, after much whining and back room wheeling and dealing, the British severed Transjordan and imposed a non Jordanian Saudi ruler upon the people of the region. So again, like I said, the Arabs had no say as to how the British divided territory conquered from the Ottomans.

The Hashemite emir Abdullah, elder son of Britain's wartime Arab ally Hussein bin Ali was placed on the throne of Transjordan. The applicable parts of the Mandatory Palestine were recited in a decision of 16 September 1922, which provided for the separate administration of Transjordan. The government of the territory was, subject to the mandate, formed by Abdullah, brother of king Faisal I of Iraq, who had been at Amman since February 1921. Britain recognized Transjordan as an independent government on 15 May 1923, and gradually relinquished control, limiting its oversight to financial, military and foreign policy matters. This had an impact on the goals of Revisionist Zionism, which sought a state on both banks of the Jordan. The movement claimed that it effectively severed Transjordan from Palestine, and so reduced the area on which a future Jewish state in the region could be established.

Independence and establishment of Hashemite kingdom[edit]
In March 1946, under the Treaty of London, Transjordan became a kingdom. On 25 May 1946, the parliament of Transjordan proclaimed the emir king and formally changed the name of the country from the "Emirate of Transjordan" to the "Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan". In April 1949 the country's official name became the "Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan".

*****In other words, Jordan became a state around the same time as Israel, both divided regions of the Palestine mandate.

 

[Challenger]

There was never an intent to create a future Jewish state except by the Zionist colonists themselves. As your own source says, "This had an impact on the goals of Revisionist Zionism, which sought a state on both banks of the Jordan."

 

[Challenger]

The way you spout the propaganda shows you were well trained by your handlers, but the facts are the facts. The source documentation clearly shows that Jordan had nothing to do with Palestine territorially, a separate section in the Reports of The Mandatory was established for Trans-Jordan. To wit:

X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year.

When Palestine west of the Jordan was occupied by the British Army and placed under a British military administration, over Trans-Jordania and a large part of Syria there was established an Arab administration, with its capital at Damascus. The ruler was His Highness the Emir Feisal, the third son of H.M. King Hussein, the King of the Hejaz. When Damascus was occupied by French troops in July, 1920, and the Emir Feisal withdrew, it was necessary to adopt fresh measures in Trans-Jordania. I proceeded to the central town of Salt on August 20th, and, at an assembly of notables and sheikhs of the district, announced that His Majesty's Government favoured the establishment of a system of local self- government, assisted by a small number of British officers as advisers.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921




Your reading comprehension is limited, but even you can understand what the British intended:

"They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine "

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

You forget that the original mandate included what is Jordan as part of the Jewish National Home, and it was the ANSTI SEMITIC British that had the LoN change the mandate to give that land to the arab muslims. The proviso was that the arab muslims in Jewish Palestine were to be relocated in Jordan by force if necessary. The intention was for A RESURECTED JEWISH NATIONAL HOME IN PALESTINE based on the words of the Balfour declaration and the terms of the Mandate.

Complete and utter drivel. I like the way he calls the British "Anti-Semitic" in one breath then gives us credit for "resurrecting the Jewish national home in Palestine"...

Yes, there were anti Semetic elements in the British, especially the Irish, who sided with the Nazis. So there were Nazi sympathizers at the time, and there still is.

Palestine which included Jordan was supposed to be the Jewish national home, but after much whining from the Arabs, Jordan was cut off and given as a "reward" to ruler who wasn't even Jordanian. But even that wasn't enough for the greedy Arabs. Apparently turning 99% of conquered Ottoman Empire land into "Arab Muslim national homes" wasn't enough, they just couldn't accept ANY Jewish controlled territory. Arabs turned to violence and started killing Jews and a civil war erupted, which was won by the Jews. The end.

"In 1921, Colonial Secretary Winston Churchill severed nearly four-fifths of Palestine—some 35,000 square miles—to create a brand new Arab entity, Transjordan. As a consolation prize for the Hejaz and Arabia (which are both now Saudi Arabia) going to the Saud family, Churchill rewarded Sherif Hussein’s son Abdullah for his contribution to the war against Turkey by installing him as Transjordan’s emir."

Thing about the Myths and Facts website is that far too often they get the "Zionist myths" confused with the "facts".

That's not from the myths and facts website, idiot. Which by the way is pretty factual.

Pretty factual, but mostly mythical.

 

[Phoenall]

The way you spout the propaganda shows you were well trained by your handlers, but the facts are the facts. The source documentation clearly shows that Jordan had nothing to do with Palestine territorially, a separate section in the Reports of The Mandatory was established for Trans-Jordan. To wit:

X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year.

When Palestine west of the Jordan was occupied by the British Army and placed under a British military administration, over Trans-Jordania and a large part of Syria there was established an Arab administration, with its capital at Damascus. The ruler was His Highness the Emir Feisal, the third son of H.M. King Hussein, the King of the Hejaz. When Damascus was occupied by French troops in July, 1920, and the Emir Feisal withdrew, it was necessary to adopt fresh measures in Trans-Jordania. I proceeded to the central town of Salt on August 20th, and, at an assembly of notables and sheikhs of the district, announced that His Majesty's Government favoured the establishment of a system of local self- government, assisted by a small number of British officers as advisers.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921




Your reading comprehension is limited, but even you can understand what the British intended:

"They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine "

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

You forget that the original mandate included what is Jordan as part of the Jewish National Home, and it was the ANSTI SEMITIC British that had the LoN change the mandate to give that land to the arab muslims. The proviso was that the arab muslims in Jewish Palestine were to be relocated in Jordan by force if necessary. The intention was for A RESURECTED JEWISH NATIONAL HOME IN PALESTINE based on the words of the Balfour declaration and the terms of the Mandate.

Complete and utter drivel. I like the way he calls the British "Anti-Semitic" in one breath then gives us credit for "resurrecting the Jewish national home in Palestine"...

Yes, there were anti Semetic elements in the British, especially the Irish, who sided with the Nazis. So there were Nazi sympathizers at the time, and there still is.

Palestine which included Jordan was supposed to be the Jewish national home, but after much whining from the Arabs, Jordan was cut off and given as a "reward" to ruler who wasn't even Jordanian. But even that wasn't enough for the greedy Arabs. Apparently turning 99% of conquered Ottoman Empire land into "Arab Muslim national homes" wasn't enough, they just couldn't accept ANY Jewish controlled territory. Arabs turned to violence and started killing Jews and a civil war erupted, which was won by the Jews. The end.

"In 1921, Colonial Secretary Winston Churchill severed nearly four-fifths of Palestine—some 35,000 square miles—to create a brand new Arab entity, Transjordan. As a consolation prize for the Hejaz and Arabia (which are both now Saudi Arabia) going to the Saud family, Churchill rewarded Sherif Hussein’s son Abdullah for his contribution to the war against Turkey by installing him as Transjordan’s emir."

While included in the Mandate, Palestine did not include Jordan. It was a separate territory, As the source documents confirm. Cut the propaganda.

"

"Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year.

When Palestine west of the Jordan was occupied by the British Army and placed under a British military administration, over Trans-Jordania and a large part of Syria there was established an Arab administration, with its capital at Damascus. The ruler was His Highness the Emir Feisal, the third son of H.M. King Hussein, the King of the Hejaz. When Damascus was occupied by French troops in July, 1920, and the Emir Feisal withdrew, it was necessary to adopt fresh measures in Trans-Jordania. I proceeded to the central town of Salt on August 20th, and, at an assembly of notables and sheikhs of the district, announced that His Majesty's Government favoured the establishment of a system of local self- government, assisted by a small number of British officers as advisers.
- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

Do you even bother to read your own cut and pastes Abdul, the very first words are "Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania"

 

[Phoenall]

And, just to insure that the propaganda you clowns constantly post is proven as such, here is the source documentation delineating the legal definition of Palestine geographically: So please stop with the propaganda.

"Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.

The boundaries are described as follows:--

• • 
    South.--From a point west of Rafa on the Mediterranean to a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba.
    
    East.--From a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba up the centre of the Wadi Araba, the Dead Sea, and the River Jordan, to the junction of the latter with the River Yarmuk, thence up the centre of the River Yarmuk to the Syrian frontier.
    
    North.--The northern boundary was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Stated briefly, the boundary runs from Ras el Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to Metulla and across the upper Jordan valley to Banias, thence to Jisr Banat Yaqub, thence along the Jordan to the Lake of Tiberias on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line.
    
    West.--The Mediterranean Sea.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations 31 December 1933

And what were the boundaries in 1919 when the LoN Mandate for Palestine was first agreed ?

 

[Phoenall]

There was never an intent to create a future Jewish state except by the Zionist colonists themselves. As your own source says, "This had an impact on the goals of Revisionist Zionism, which sought a state on both banks of the Jordan."

Read the Balfour declaration and the LoN Mandate for Palestine again and see that there was the intent to create THE JEWISH NATIONAL HOME as in state or nation.

 

[Phoenall]

Thing about the Myths and Facts website is that far too often they get the "Zionist myths" confused with the "facts".

Hows it Going for the Longest Running Evasion on USMB?

You STILL Have NOT defined 'Zionist', just DISHONESTLY said you have.
Giving us riddles and Lies instead.

Anytime you're ready.

Perhaps your thanker, Mod-Coyote can point to your Definition for us?
Nope.
Because Coyote posts are as DISHONEST as yours.
Coyote's posts are a DISGRACE to this message board too.
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Someone's not been paying attention.

Has anyone else noticed that "abuafak" posts in exactly the same style as "phoenall"?

FANTASY ISLAND ring any bells

 

[Roudy]

There was never an intent to create a future Jewish state except by the Zionist colonists themselves. As your own source says, "This had an impact on the goals of Revisionist Zionism, which sought a state on both banks of the Jordan."

And as my source said, the British gave Transjordan, land that was supposed to be given to the Jews, to a relative of the Saudi King as a bribe. So there doesn't seem to be a problem granting rulership rulers to a family that had aboluteky no ties to the land. As long as they were Arab Muslims, right?

That left the remainder of the mandate for the Jews, period. Arabs did their usual rioting and terrorism, a civil war between Jews and Arabs erupted, and guess what, the Jews won, declared statehood, and the rest is history.