Could China Beat The USA In A War?

[playtime]

Illegals aren't joining any branch of the military. Any recruit would be duty bound to report them.

In theory, I believe China would & could kick our ass- not only by its weaponry... I have no doubt they wouldn't think twice about releasing a nuke - But by sheer numbers of foot soldiers alone.

Wrong on all counts.

Show me a legit news source stating that it has become law... not just that it's being considered from 2014. I can't find anything up to date that says they are.

 

[jasonnfree]

Could China beat the US in a war?

If we have leaders like Obama & Hillary, absolutely.

Of course, they could be hardliners like dubya, who did absolutely nothing when red china shot down that plane of ours, kept the crew hostage for weeks, and kept the plane. bush finally got even by attacking Iraq, a much weaker country, on a false pretext as it turned out. Right, such great leaders those repiglicans.

 

[amrchaos]

If anything, Taiwan is going to be absorbed by China. Time is on their side, and we all know how impatient we Americans are!

By the way, I did not know that Russia and China are buddies. I hear there are more disputes between them than with us. There is more of a possibility of war between Russia and China or China and India than with us, and that includes if NK attacks SK!

The problems we consider serious or fundamental China probably view as insignificant or silly. We consider 3,000 people dying in one day a tragedy. Only 3,000 people dying in an incident is considered a natural disaster, like the annual flooding of the Yangtze.

If anything, we will most likely attack China out of feelings of ineptitude as exemplified by feelings of lost national pride, lack of blood in our diplomacy, lack of thought of what our big picture should be, which, by construct is not to act as the world moral authority.

 

[rightwinger]

If anything, Taiwan is going to be absorbed by China. Time is on their side, and we all know how impatient we Americans are!

By the way, I did not know that Russia and China are buddies. I hear there are more disputes between them than with us. There is more of a possibility of war between Russia and China or China and India than with us, and that includes if NK attacks SK!

The problems we consider serious or fundamental China probably view as insignificant or silly. We consider 3,000 people dying in one day a tragedy. Only 3,000 people dying in an incident is considered a natural disaster, like the annual flooding of the Yangtze.

If anything, we will most likely attack China out of feelings of ineptitude as exemplified by feelings of lost national pride, lack of blood in our diplomacy, lack of thought of what our big picture should be, which, by construct is not to act as the world moral authority.

Any war we had with China would be a cyber war

 

[M14 Shooter]

If anything, Taiwan is going to be absorbed by China. Time is on their side, and we all know how impatient we Americans are!

This will only happen if they take Taiwan by force, as Taiwan will never voluntarily go back.
The US is unlikely to let that happen.

 

[nuhuh]

I should have included this from the Stratfor prediction:

China will face one huge problem.

China may have a rough decade ahead as economic growth slows, leading to widespread discontent toward the ruling Communist Party. But the party will not liberalize, which means its only viable option for controlling the gathering chaos while remaining in power will be to increase internal oppression.

Beijing also faces another, perhaps even bigger problem: China's growth hasn't been geographically distributed very evenly. Coastal cities are thriving, but China's interior has less access to international markets and is comparatively much poorer. That problem will only get worse as China continues to urbanize.

"The expectation that the interior — beyond parts of the more urbanized Yangtze River Delta — will grow as rapidly as the coast is being dashed," the report says. And the growing rift between China's coast and its interior could presage even deeper, more ominous splits.

As the report notes, regional fissures have been a persistent driver of political chaos throughout China's history, and there is an unlikely but "still conceivable outcome in which political interests along the coast rebel against Beijing's policy of transferring wealth to the interior to contain political unrest."

There will be 16 mini-Chinas.

China's economy will slow down, and growth in its production capacity will flatline. That's actually good news for a handful of countries. The entry-level manufacturing jobs that China used to gobble up will migrate to 16 emerging economies with a combined population of 1.15 billion.

So while China's growth will stall, leading to unforeseeable political and economic consequences, Mexico, Nicaragua, the Dominican Republic, Peru, Ethiopia, Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, the Philippines, and Indonesia could see improving economic fortunes over the next decade as more manufacturing jobs arrive.

 

[amrchaos]

If anything, Taiwan is going to be absorbed by China. Time is on their side, and we all know how impatient we Americans are!

This will only happen if they take Taiwan by force, as Taiwan will never voluntarily go back.
The US is unlikely to let that happen.

They will go back without force. It may take 1 or 2 hundred years at most, but they are losing real ways to distinguish themselves from the mainland.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

.....is not a conspiracy. It's reality that is going to hit you so hard your head will spin when it happens. ...

....says every conspiracy nut who ever lived.

.......every conspiracy nut who ever lived has said It's reality that is going to hit you so hard your head will spin when it happens? (figuratively let's hope) I had no idea that conspiracy theorists could be so consistent! Who knew?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

If anything, Taiwan is going to be absorbed by China. Time is on their side, and we all know how impatient we Americans are!

This will only happen if they take Taiwan by force, as Taiwan will never voluntarily go back.
The US is unlikely to let that happen.

They will go back without force. It may take 1 or 2 hundred years at most, but they are losing real ways to distinguish themselves from the mainland.

No, they won't go back without force which is what this thread is all about, Amrchaos. You see M14Shooter is right, it will only happen if they invade Taiwan as Taiwan would never voluntarily go back and the US is unlikely to let it happen because the US will go to war over it first. Which is precisely what China and Russia are fully aware of and making provocative moves for.

I do not believe it is too far off now.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Define "win". What are China's goals in a war? Taking over the Spratly Islands? Invading Taiwan? Invading Hawaii?

Invasion of Taiwan - the Chinese have very long memories.

The Taiwanese would have something to say about that, they do keep a modern army and navy active.

People look at Taiwan as an easy target. Launching an invasion over 90 miles of open sea is not easy. Look at the thousands of ships we needed at Normandy. Taiwan is prepared to attack those ships with modern missiles and aircraft. It would be a bloodbath for China

The only real threat is China flooding the cities of Taiwan with conventional Surface to Surface missiles, which is an outcome that could be the result of a air/sea battle that becomes a stalemate.

Needless to say its a small chance, but still a real one.

Define "win". What are China's goals in a war? Taking over the Spratly Islands? Invading Taiwan? Invading Hawaii?

Invasion of Taiwan - the Chinese have very long memories.

The Taiwanese would have something to say about that, they do keep a modern army and navy active.

People look at Taiwan as an easy target. Launching an invasion over 90 miles of open sea is not easy. Look at the thousands of ships we needed at Normandy. Taiwan is prepared to attack those ships with modern missiles and aircraft. It would be a bloodbath for China

The only real threat is China flooding the cities of Taiwan with conventional Surface to Surface missiles, which is an outcome that could be the result of a air/sea battle that becomes a stalemate.

Needless to say its a small chance, but still a real one.

Taiwan caused great concern and anger when it suggested that if attacked by the mainland it would respond by attacking targets such as the Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze river. The Three Gorges Dam is a major national security concern for China. The largest dam in the world could quickly become a catastrophe for China, flooding and destroying it's major industrial regions and major cities and making recovery after an attack a decades long project of hope with vague chances of success.
The Three Gorges Dam is China's Achilles Heel.

Right well Taiwan is letting it be known how serious they are about protecting themselves from a Chinese invasion. Still with Russia having China's back and willing to attack America when America responds - it's not going to play out like some of you are expecting. America is not able to stop a nuclear attack by the Russians nor an invasion by them and their allies - communist nations waiting in the wings. We are not prepared for that.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

If anything, Taiwan is going to be absorbed by China. Time is on their side, and we all know how impatient we Americans are!

By the way, I did not know that Russia and China are buddies. I hear there are more disputes between them than with us. There is more of a possibility of war between Russia and China or China and India than with us, and that includes if NK attacks SK!

The problems we consider serious or fundamental China probably view as insignificant or silly. We consider 3,000 people dying in one day a tragedy. Only 3,000 people dying in an incident is considered a natural disaster, like the annual flooding of the Yangtze.

If anything, we will most likely attack China out of feelings of ineptitude as exemplified by feelings of lost national pride, lack of blood in our diplomacy, lack of thought of what our big picture should be, which, by construct is not to act as the world moral authority.

Any war we had with China would be a cyber war

Wrong.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

We make allies out to be enemies, (Mexico)

And make enemies out to be allies, (China)

Mamon (money) rules.

Maybe it is the end times Jerry??

ya think?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Some of you appear lost, the prepper forum is down the hall....

Here is what the experts say about Russia and China in the next ten years.

Russia will collapse ...

"There will not be an uprising against Moscow, but Moscow's withering ability to support and control the Russian Federation will leave a vacuum," Stratfor warns. "What will exist in this vacuum will be the individual fragments of the Russian Federation."

Sanctions, declining oil prices, a plunging ruble, rising military expenses, and increasing internal discord will weaken the hold of Russia's central government over the world's largest country. Russia will not officially split into multiple countries, but Moscow's power may loosen to the point that Russia will effectively become a string of semi-autonomous regions that might not even get along with one another.

"We expect Moscow's authority to weaken substantially, leading to the formal and informal fragmentation of Russia" the report states, adding, "It is unlikely that the Russian Federation will survive in its current form."


... and the US will have to use its military to secure the country's nukes.

A deactivated Soviet-era SS-4 medium-range nuclear-capable ballistic missile.

Russia's nuclear-weapons infrastructure is spread across a vast geographic area. If the political disintegration Stratfor predicts ever happens, it means that weapons, uranium stocks, and delivery systems could end up exposed in what will suddenly become the world's most dangerous power vacuum.

The breakout of Russia's nuclear weapons stockpile will be "the greatest crisis of the next decade," according to Stratfor.

And the US will have to figure out what to do about it, even if it means dispatching ground troops to secure loose weapons, materials, and delivery systems.

"Washington is the only power able to address the issue, but it will not be able to seize control of the vast numbers of sites militarily and guarantee that no missile is fired in the process," the Decade Forecast states. "The United States will either have to invent a military solution that is difficult to conceive of now, accept the threat of rogue launches, or try to create a stable and economically viable government in the regions involved to neutralize the missiles over time."

China will face one huge problem.

China may have a rough decade ahead as economic growth slows, leading to widespread discontent toward the ruling Communist Party. But the party will not liberalize, which means its only viable option for controlling the gathering chaos while remaining in power will be to increase internal oppression.

Beijing also faces another, perhaps even bigger problem: China's growth hasn't been geographically distributed very evenly. Coastal cities are thriving, but China's interior has less access to international markets and is comparatively much poorer. That problem will only get worse as China continues to urbanize.

"The expectation that the interior — beyond parts of the more urbanized Yangtze River Delta — will grow as rapidly as the coast is being dashed," the report says. And the growing rift between China's coast and its interior could presage even deeper, more ominous splits.

As the report notes, regional fissures have been a persistent driver of political chaos throughout China's history, and there is an unlikely but "still conceivable outcome in which political interests along the coast rebel against Beijing's policy of transferring wealth to the interior to contain political unrest."

Finally

The South China Sea islands won't start a war — but there's a catch.

The regional powers will decide that South China Sea island disputes aren't worth a major military escalation, but they will still be a symptom of a hazardous power dynamic.

"Fighting over the minor islands producing low-cost and unprofitable energy will not be the primary issue in the region," the report predicts. "Rather, an old three-player game will emerge. Russia, the declining power, will increasingly lose the ability to protect its maritime interests. The Chinese and the Japanese will both be interested in acquiring these and in preventing each other from having them."

Dangerous great-power dynamics are returning to East Asia, even if it may not result in armed conflict in the South China and East China seas.

Stratfor

You can now return to your regularly programmed shows.

Interesting post

With oil hovering about $38 a barrel, Russia has lost its economic swagger. If the economy were to collapse, Putin would have to return to his despotic ways creating a civil war within the alliance

What happens to the nukes? How would they be secured? Would we go in to seize the nukes?

Russia has 8,000 nukes spread out over a huge geographical area. The United States couldn't handle that big a job so I'm inclined to think they would utilize low yield EMP to render the devices inoperable and then coordinate internationally to physically secure them. Of course it would help if we could get Russia to reduce the number of weapons before something does go haywire.

The Russians and Iranians did a test launch for a weapon called a Super EMP. This was some time ago and NK was also present for the launch tests. Every heard of a super EMP weapon? If launched - the US would be incapable of a response. (any response)

 

[nuhuh]

Some of you appear lost, the prepper forum is down the hall....

Here is what the experts say about Russia and China in the next ten years.

Russia will collapse ...

"There will not be an uprising against Moscow, but Moscow's withering ability to support and control the Russian Federation will leave a vacuum," Stratfor warns. "What will exist in this vacuum will be the individual fragments of the Russian Federation."

Sanctions, declining oil prices, a plunging ruble, rising military expenses, and increasing internal discord will weaken the hold of Russia's central government over the world's largest country. Russia will not officially split into multiple countries, but Moscow's power may loosen to the point that Russia will effectively become a string of semi-autonomous regions that might not even get along with one another.

"We expect Moscow's authority to weaken substantially, leading to the formal and informal fragmentation of Russia" the report states, adding, "It is unlikely that the Russian Federation will survive in its current form."


... and the US will have to use its military to secure the country's nukes.

A deactivated Soviet-era SS-4 medium-range nuclear-capable ballistic missile.

Russia's nuclear-weapons infrastructure is spread across a vast geographic area. If the political disintegration Stratfor predicts ever happens, it means that weapons, uranium stocks, and delivery systems could end up exposed in what will suddenly become the world's most dangerous power vacuum.

The breakout of Russia's nuclear weapons stockpile will be "the greatest crisis of the next decade," according to Stratfor.

And the US will have to figure out what to do about it, even if it means dispatching ground troops to secure loose weapons, materials, and delivery systems.

"Washington is the only power able to address the issue, but it will not be able to seize control of the vast numbers of sites militarily and guarantee that no missile is fired in the process," the Decade Forecast states. "The United States will either have to invent a military solution that is difficult to conceive of now, accept the threat of rogue launches, or try to create a stable and economically viable government in the regions involved to neutralize the missiles over time."

China will face one huge problem.

China may have a rough decade ahead as economic growth slows, leading to widespread discontent toward the ruling Communist Party. But the party will not liberalize, which means its only viable option for controlling the gathering chaos while remaining in power will be to increase internal oppression.

Beijing also faces another, perhaps even bigger problem: China's growth hasn't been geographically distributed very evenly. Coastal cities are thriving, but China's interior has less access to international markets and is comparatively much poorer. That problem will only get worse as China continues to urbanize.

"The expectation that the interior — beyond parts of the more urbanized Yangtze River Delta — will grow as rapidly as the coast is being dashed," the report says. And the growing rift between China's coast and its interior could presage even deeper, more ominous splits.

As the report notes, regional fissures have been a persistent driver of political chaos throughout China's history, and there is an unlikely but "still conceivable outcome in which political interests along the coast rebel against Beijing's policy of transferring wealth to the interior to contain political unrest."

Finally

The South China Sea islands won't start a war — but there's a catch.

The regional powers will decide that South China Sea island disputes aren't worth a major military escalation, but they will still be a symptom of a hazardous power dynamic.

"Fighting over the minor islands producing low-cost and unprofitable energy will not be the primary issue in the region," the report predicts. "Rather, an old three-player game will emerge. Russia, the declining power, will increasingly lose the ability to protect its maritime interests. The Chinese and the Japanese will both be interested in acquiring these and in preventing each other from having them."

Dangerous great-power dynamics are returning to East Asia, even if it may not result in armed conflict in the South China and East China seas.

Stratfor

You can now return to your regularly programmed shows.

Interesting post

With oil hovering about $38 a barrel, Russia has lost its economic swagger. If the economy were to collapse, Putin would have to return to his despotic ways creating a civil war within the alliance

What happens to the nukes? How would they be secured? Would we go in to seize the nukes?

Russia has 8,000 nukes spread out over a huge geographical area. The United States couldn't handle that big a job so I'm inclined to think they would utilize low yield EMP to render the devices inoperable and then coordinate internationally to physically secure them. Of course it would help if we could get Russia to reduce the number of weapons before something does go haywire.

The Russians and Iranians did a test launch for a weapon called a Super EMP. This was some time ago and NK was also present for the launch tests. Every heard of a super EMP weapon? If launched - the US would be incapable of a response. (any response)

An EMP would definitely hurt mainland U.S. but we have been busy shielding a lot of our more critical infrastructure over the last ten years or so. The U.S. would be capable of a response as many of our fighter jets and submarines have been shielded since the 80's.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Some of you appear lost, the prepper forum is down the hall....

Here is what the experts say about Russia and China in the next ten years.

Russia will collapse ...

"There will not be an uprising against Moscow, but Moscow's withering ability to support and control the Russian Federation will leave a vacuum," Stratfor warns. "What will exist in this vacuum will be the individual fragments of the Russian Federation."

Sanctions, declining oil prices, a plunging ruble, rising military expenses, and increasing internal discord will weaken the hold of Russia's central government over the world's largest country. Russia will not officially split into multiple countries, but Moscow's power may loosen to the point that Russia will effectively become a string of semi-autonomous regions that might not even get along with one another.

"We expect Moscow's authority to weaken substantially, leading to the formal and informal fragmentation of Russia" the report states, adding, "It is unlikely that the Russian Federation will survive in its current form."


... and the US will have to use its military to secure the country's nukes.

A deactivated Soviet-era SS-4 medium-range nuclear-capable ballistic missile.

Russia's nuclear-weapons infrastructure is spread across a vast geographic area. If the political disintegration Stratfor predicts ever happens, it means that weapons, uranium stocks, and delivery systems could end up exposed in what will suddenly become the world's most dangerous power vacuum.

The breakout of Russia's nuclear weapons stockpile will be "the greatest crisis of the next decade," according to Stratfor.

And the US will have to figure out what to do about it, even if it means dispatching ground troops to secure loose weapons, materials, and delivery systems.

"Washington is the only power able to address the issue, but it will not be able to seize control of the vast numbers of sites militarily and guarantee that no missile is fired in the process," the Decade Forecast states. "The United States will either have to invent a military solution that is difficult to conceive of now, accept the threat of rogue launches, or try to create a stable and economically viable government in the regions involved to neutralize the missiles over time."

China will face one huge problem.

China may have a rough decade ahead as economic growth slows, leading to widespread discontent toward the ruling Communist Party. But the party will not liberalize, which means its only viable option for controlling the gathering chaos while remaining in power will be to increase internal oppression.

Beijing also faces another, perhaps even bigger problem: China's growth hasn't been geographically distributed very evenly. Coastal cities are thriving, but China's interior has less access to international markets and is comparatively much poorer. That problem will only get worse as China continues to urbanize.

"The expectation that the interior — beyond parts of the more urbanized Yangtze River Delta — will grow as rapidly as the coast is being dashed," the report says. And the growing rift between China's coast and its interior could presage even deeper, more ominous splits.

As the report notes, regional fissures have been a persistent driver of political chaos throughout China's history, and there is an unlikely but "still conceivable outcome in which political interests along the coast rebel against Beijing's policy of transferring wealth to the interior to contain political unrest."

Finally

The South China Sea islands won't start a war — but there's a catch.

The regional powers will decide that South China Sea island disputes aren't worth a major military escalation, but they will still be a symptom of a hazardous power dynamic.

"Fighting over the minor islands producing low-cost and unprofitable energy will not be the primary issue in the region," the report predicts. "Rather, an old three-player game will emerge. Russia, the declining power, will increasingly lose the ability to protect its maritime interests. The Chinese and the Japanese will both be interested in acquiring these and in preventing each other from having them."

Dangerous great-power dynamics are returning to East Asia, even if it may not result in armed conflict in the South China and East China seas.

Stratfor

You can now return to your regularly programmed shows.

Interesting post

With oil hovering about $38 a barrel, Russia has lost its economic swagger. If the economy were to collapse, Putin would have to return to his despotic ways creating a civil war within the alliance

What happens to the nukes? How would they be secured? Would we go in to seize the nukes?

Russia has 8,000 nukes spread out over a huge geographical area. The United States couldn't handle that big a job so I'm inclined to think they would utilize low yield EMP to render the devices inoperable and then coordinate internationally to physically secure them. Of course it would help if we could get Russia to reduce the number of weapons before something does go haywire.

The Russians and Iranians did a test launch for a weapon called a Super EMP. This was some time ago and NK was also present for the launch tests. Every heard of a super EMP weapon? If launched - the US would be incapable of a response. (any response)

An EMP would definitely hurt mainland U.S. but we have been busy shielding a lot of our more critical infrastructure over the last ten years or so. The U.S. would be capable of a response as many of our fighter jets and submarines have been shielded since the 80's.

Do you know if they are shielded from the effects of a super EMP and do you know if these same jets and submarines were fitted with Chinese made parts / chips as was the case with the jets that fell from the sky some time back? I'm wondering why would we trust the Chinese to make reliable parts for our fighter jets / subs? Why would we not manufacture these ourselves and eliminate the risk factor of something going wrong?

See articles below, nuhuh.

‘Made in China’: U.S. Military Finding Fake Chinese Electronics in Gear At Alarming Rate

Counterfeit Parts Found on P-8 Posiedons | Defense Tech

U.S. missiles infected with Chinese fakes

China Using Inferior Parts on U.S. Military Planes That Can Backdoor Spy | www.independentsentinel.com

China Counterfeit Parts in U.S. Military Boeing, L3 Aircraft

Chinese made components found in U.S. military aircraft [Archive] - SOCNET: The Special Operations Community Network

Hacked Hardware Could Cause The Next Big Security Breach

And the question on everyone's mind is............. MICROCHIPS GOVERN OUR HOMES, CITIES, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND MILITARY. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY'RE TURNED AGAINST US?

 

[Hancock]

China should ask Japan how that went for them

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[Preacher]

Yes easily.A UNITED PEOPLE can always beat a mish mash multi cult "army" of faggots,transgenders,women and negros

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Yes easily.A UNITED PEOPLE can always beat a mish mash multi cult "army" of faggots,transgenders,women and negros

Our security has been hacked and breached and yes, America is not a united people. It is a nation divided against itself and it cannot stand. Try explaining that to some here and they will accuse you of being a conspiracy theorist. So when people refuse to examine the evidence before condemning it as a wild conspiracy - there is only one outcome. Remaining ignorant to what is going on. Ignorance is not bliss. It's downright deadly.

 

[my2¢]

It depends on who else we're fighting at the time. If we're already involved in combat with conflicts within Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria and Russia at the time when China provokes a war, then I imagine we're sort of screwed.

 

[Syriusly]

The US owes a large amount of money to China and it seems that we can't live our daily lives without borrowing money from them. The population of China allows the country an almost unlimited source of soldiers and resources. Moreover, Chinese are extremely patriotic. The American soldiers are mostly illegal immigrants who have join the army to obtain their legal documents. So...how about my question?

Like most of your questions- it is based on idiocy and continues to be idiocy throughout.


The American soldiers are mostly illegal immigrants who have join the army to obtain their legal documents.

This one statement shows you are a total idiot.