Could China Beat The USA In A War?

[frigidweirdo]

The US owes a large amount of money to China and it seems that we can't live our daily lives without borrowing money from them. The population of China allows the country an almost unlimited source of soldiers and resources. Moreover, Chinese are extremely patriotic. The American soldiers are mostly illegal immigrants who have join the army to obtain their legal documents. So...how about my question?

China has a population of 1.3 billion. The US 300 million. The US's troops are better trained, however China is trying to catch up.

A lot of China's military is kids wearing their own trainers and running around like headless chickens. All university students do "military training" for like 2 weeks at the beginning of their course. It's a joke.

However their military spending at this rate will be the same as the US's in 20 years time. They have an aircraft carrier and using it to train and learn how to build their own. They'll soon be producing top of the range military hardware, they'll have special forces getting up to scratch, and some military units that are more professional than most others.

At the moment they can't afford war. War might come in 20 years.

The nationalistic rhetoric is going through the roof. September 3rd is anti-Japanese Day for the 2nd year. People claim to hate the Japanese, however they actually love EVERYTHING Japanese.

At the moment Xi is still gaining power and if he manages to stay beyond 2022 then there might be problems. I'm not sure what he's up to right now.

 

[rightwinger]

We would kick their ass

The Chinese Army, Navy and Airforce would be treated as targets

You are mistaken. That is what you may believe but you are wrong. We are not going to be able to stand against a Russian led invasion with Communist nations assisting them. They have their own people (including Arab cells) inside the USA right now waiting. The Chinese have their military equipment on bases (which have already been identified by google maps and eyewitnesses in Mexico) waiting to be used. Again the question to you would be - Do you know Jesus Christ and is He the Lord over your life (all of your life)? Yes or no? That is going to determine how you fare in the future because God is going to allow this to happen at an appointed time. You are either His or you are not His. You need to make up your mind about it now.

The US has the most modern and best trained military in the history of the world

The primary focus of the Chinese Army is to keep 1.5 billion Chinese under control

The Russian Army uses obsolete equipment, is poorly trained and has low morale

WTF?

Russia has obsolete equipment?

God damn the joke post of the day...

Not just obsolete, but poorly maintained and operated by poorly trained soldiers with a horrific command and control structure

Yes, they have small quantities of modern equipment that they bring out on May day. But the overwhelming amount of their equipmet is leftovers from the Soviet Union

RW the New T 50 is a copy off our F22

Don't sell Russia short....

We have seen their "copies" of our equipment in the past......not the same

Yes, Russia can field some modern equipment but it is a house of cards. The bulk of their equipment is 30-40 years old. It is not well maintained and not very reliable





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[Care4all]

Maybe we should not be cutting off our nose to spite our face right now, (Mr Trump) with Mexico....even with manufacturing being brought back to the USA, we'll still need Mexico to manufacture for us as well.....we buy a lot of stuff.....?

 

[Camp]

The US owes a large amount of money to China and it seems that we can't live our daily lives without borrowing money from them. The population of China allows the country an almost unlimited source of soldiers and resources. Moreover, Chinese are extremely patriotic. The American soldiers are mostly illegal immigrants who have join the army to obtain their legal documents. So...how about my question?

Define "win". What are China's goals in a war? Taking over the Spratly Islands? Invading Taiwan? Invading Hawaii?

Invasion of Taiwan - the Chinese have very long memories.

The Taiwanese would have something to say about that, they do keep a modern army and navy active.

People look at Taiwan as an easy target. Launching an invasion over 90 miles of open sea is not easy. Look at the thousands of ships we needed at Normandy. Taiwan is prepared to attack those ships with modern missiles and aircraft. It would be a bloodbath for China

The only real threat is China flooding the cities of Taiwan with conventional Surface to Surface missiles, which is an outcome that could be the result of a air/sea battle that becomes a stalemate.

Needless to say its a small chance, but still a real one.

The US owes a large amount of money to China and it seems that we can't live our daily lives without borrowing money from them. The population of China allows the country an almost unlimited source of soldiers and resources. Moreover, Chinese are extremely patriotic. The American soldiers are mostly illegal immigrants who have join the army to obtain their legal documents. So...how about my question?

Define "win". What are China's goals in a war? Taking over the Spratly Islands? Invading Taiwan? Invading Hawaii?

Invasion of Taiwan - the Chinese have very long memories.

The Taiwanese would have something to say about that, they do keep a modern army and navy active.

People look at Taiwan as an easy target. Launching an invasion over 90 miles of open sea is not easy. Look at the thousands of ships we needed at Normandy. Taiwan is prepared to attack those ships with modern missiles and aircraft. It would be a bloodbath for China

The only real threat is China flooding the cities of Taiwan with conventional Surface to Surface missiles, which is an outcome that could be the result of a air/sea battle that becomes a stalemate.

Needless to say its a small chance, but still a real one.

Taiwan caused great concern and anger when it suggested that if attacked by the mainland it would respond by attacking targets such as the Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze river. The Three Gorges Dam is a major national security concern for China. The largest dam in the world could quickly become a catastrophe for China, flooding and destroying it's major industrial regions and major cities and making recovery after an attack a decades long project of hope with vague chances of success.
The Three Gorges Dam is China's Achilles Heel.

 

[Camp]

Maybe we should not be cutting off our nose to spite our face right now, (Mr Trump) with Mexico....even with manufacturing being brought back to the USA, we'll still need Mexico to manufacture for us as well.....we buy a lot of stuff.....?

They have to pay for that wall Trump wants to build. Hopefully the ladder factories they will build after the wall is built will help them pay off their loans for building the wall.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The US owes a large amount of money to China and it seems that we can't live our daily lives without borrowing money from them. The population of China allows the country an almost unlimited source of soldiers and resources. Moreover, Chinese are extremely patriotic. The American soldiers are mostly illegal immigrants who have join the army to obtain their legal documents. So...how about my question?

The US can project overwhelming conventional military force against China; the reverse is not true.
Thus, the US can destroy China's ability to make war against the US; the reverse is not true.
And so no, China cannot defeat the US in a war.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Could China beat the US in a war?

If we have leaders like Obama & Hillary, absolutely.

 

[Care4all]

Time to bring manufacturing HOME, and leave China...

Who can support that???

Let's starve the Beast.

 

[g5000]

The US owes a large amount of money to China and it seems that we can't live our daily lives without borrowing money from them. The population of China allows the country an almost unlimited source of soldiers and resources. Moreover, Chinese are extremely patriotic. The American soldiers are mostly illegal immigrants who have join the army to obtain their legal documents. So...how about my question?

Where the hell did you get the idea the US Army is mostly illegal immigrants? Have you been watching too much Fox News?

 

[Care4all]

Could China beat the US in a war?

If we have leaders like Obama & Hillary, absolutely.

 

[g5000]

The only advantage China has is numbers.

An interesting side effect of China's one child policy is that parent prefers boys over girls and have used selective abortion to ensure they get a boy. The result is that there are now 30 million more boys than girls who will all be reaching adulthood in about five or six years.

Chinese girls are becoming more and more materialistic since there are so many boys competing for their attention. So that's a good thing from our perspective. Down with communism, up with cars and jewelry and pop music!

But...30 million boys of military age and no girlfriends. Hmmmm, what should we do to keep all these poor guys occupied so they don't all turn gay? Ah-tiiiiiiiin hut!

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Could China beat the US in a war?

If we have leaders like Obama & Hillary, absolutely.

 

[Care4all]

We are FUNDING China's military, with our manufacturing....

Is that in our best interest? Maybe? Maybe not?

 

[nuhuh]

Some of you appear lost, the prepper forum is down the hall....

Here is what the experts say about Russia and China in the next ten years.

Russia will collapse ...

"There will not be an uprising against Moscow, but Moscow's withering ability to support and control the Russian Federation will leave a vacuum," Stratfor warns. "What will exist in this vacuum will be the individual fragments of the Russian Federation."

Sanctions, declining oil prices, a plunging ruble, rising military expenses, and increasing internal discord will weaken the hold of Russia's central government over the world's largest country. Russia will not officially split into multiple countries, but Moscow's power may loosen to the point that Russia will effectively become a string of semi-autonomous regions that might not even get along with one another.

"We expect Moscow's authority to weaken substantially, leading to the formal and informal fragmentation of Russia" the report states, adding, "It is unlikely that the Russian Federation will survive in its current form."


... and the US will have to use its military to secure the country's nukes.

A deactivated Soviet-era SS-4 medium-range nuclear-capable ballistic missile.

Russia's nuclear-weapons infrastructure is spread across a vast geographic area. If the political disintegration Stratfor predicts ever happens, it means that weapons, uranium stocks, and delivery systems could end up exposed in what will suddenly become the world's most dangerous power vacuum.

The breakout of Russia's nuclear weapons stockpile will be "the greatest crisis of the next decade," according to Stratfor.

And the US will have to figure out what to do about it, even if it means dispatching ground troops to secure loose weapons, materials, and delivery systems.

"Washington is the only power able to address the issue, but it will not be able to seize control of the vast numbers of sites militarily and guarantee that no missile is fired in the process," the Decade Forecast states. "The United States will either have to invent a military solution that is difficult to conceive of now, accept the threat of rogue launches, or try to create a stable and economically viable government in the regions involved to neutralize the missiles over time."

China will face one huge problem.

China may have a rough decade ahead as economic growth slows, leading to widespread discontent toward the ruling Communist Party. But the party will not liberalize, which means its only viable option for controlling the gathering chaos while remaining in power will be to increase internal oppression.

Beijing also faces another, perhaps even bigger problem: China's growth hasn't been geographically distributed very evenly. Coastal cities are thriving, but China's interior has less access to international markets and is comparatively much poorer. That problem will only get worse as China continues to urbanize.

"The expectation that the interior — beyond parts of the more urbanized Yangtze River Delta — will grow as rapidly as the coast is being dashed," the report says. And the growing rift between China's coast and its interior could presage even deeper, more ominous splits.

As the report notes, regional fissures have been a persistent driver of political chaos throughout China's history, and there is an unlikely but "still conceivable outcome in which political interests along the coast rebel against Beijing's policy of transferring wealth to the interior to contain political unrest."

Finally

The South China Sea islands won't start a war — but there's a catch.

The regional powers will decide that South China Sea island disputes aren't worth a major military escalation, but they will still be a symptom of a hazardous power dynamic.

"Fighting over the minor islands producing low-cost and unprofitable energy will not be the primary issue in the region," the report predicts. "Rather, an old three-player game will emerge. Russia, the declining power, will increasingly lose the ability to protect its maritime interests. The Chinese and the Japanese will both be interested in acquiring these and in preventing each other from having them."

Dangerous great-power dynamics are returning to East Asia, even if it may not result in armed conflict in the South China and East China seas.

Stratfor

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[Mr Natural]

This is like "who can beat up who" school yards discussions.

 

[Care4all]

We make allies out to be enemies, (Mexico)

And make enemies out to be allies, (China)

Mamon (money) rules.

Maybe it is the end times Jerry??

 

[Unkotare]

.....is not a conspiracy. It's reality that is going to hit you so hard your head will spin when it happens. ...

....says every conspiracy nut who ever lived.

 

[Unkotare]

Illegals aren't joining any branch of the military. Any recruit would be duty bound to report them.

In theory, I believe China would & could kick our ass- not only by its weaponry... I have no doubt they wouldn't think twice about releasing a nuke - But by sheer numbers of foot soldiers alone.

Wrong on all counts.

 

[rightwinger]

Some of you appear lost, the prepper forum is down the hall....

Here is what the experts say about Russia and China in the next ten years.

Russia will collapse ...

"There will not be an uprising against Moscow, but Moscow's withering ability to support and control the Russian Federation will leave a vacuum," Stratfor warns. "What will exist in this vacuum will be the individual fragments of the Russian Federation."

Sanctions, declining oil prices, a plunging ruble, rising military expenses, and increasing internal discord will weaken the hold of Russia's central government over the world's largest country. Russia will not officially split into multiple countries, but Moscow's power may loosen to the point that Russia will effectively become a string of semi-autonomous regions that might not even get along with one another.

"We expect Moscow's authority to weaken substantially, leading to the formal and informal fragmentation of Russia" the report states, adding, "It is unlikely that the Russian Federation will survive in its current form."


... and the US will have to use its military to secure the country's nukes.

A deactivated Soviet-era SS-4 medium-range nuclear-capable ballistic missile.

Russia's nuclear-weapons infrastructure is spread across a vast geographic area. If the political disintegration Stratfor predicts ever happens, it means that weapons, uranium stocks, and delivery systems could end up exposed in what will suddenly become the world's most dangerous power vacuum.

The breakout of Russia's nuclear weapons stockpile will be "the greatest crisis of the next decade," according to Stratfor.

And the US will have to figure out what to do about it, even if it means dispatching ground troops to secure loose weapons, materials, and delivery systems.

"Washington is the only power able to address the issue, but it will not be able to seize control of the vast numbers of sites militarily and guarantee that no missile is fired in the process," the Decade Forecast states. "The United States will either have to invent a military solution that is difficult to conceive of now, accept the threat of rogue launches, or try to create a stable and economically viable government in the regions involved to neutralize the missiles over time."

China will face one huge problem.

China may have a rough decade ahead as economic growth slows, leading to widespread discontent toward the ruling Communist Party. But the party will not liberalize, which means its only viable option for controlling the gathering chaos while remaining in power will be to increase internal oppression.

Beijing also faces another, perhaps even bigger problem: China's growth hasn't been geographically distributed very evenly. Coastal cities are thriving, but China's interior has less access to international markets and is comparatively much poorer. That problem will only get worse as China continues to urbanize.

"The expectation that the interior — beyond parts of the more urbanized Yangtze River Delta — will grow as rapidly as the coast is being dashed," the report says. And the growing rift between China's coast and its interior could presage even deeper, more ominous splits.

As the report notes, regional fissures have been a persistent driver of political chaos throughout China's history, and there is an unlikely but "still conceivable outcome in which political interests along the coast rebel against Beijing's policy of transferring wealth to the interior to contain political unrest."

Finally

The South China Sea islands won't start a war — but there's a catch.

The regional powers will decide that South China Sea island disputes aren't worth a major military escalation, but they will still be a symptom of a hazardous power dynamic.

"Fighting over the minor islands producing low-cost and unprofitable energy will not be the primary issue in the region," the report predicts. "Rather, an old three-player game will emerge. Russia, the declining power, will increasingly lose the ability to protect its maritime interests. The Chinese and the Japanese will both be interested in acquiring these and in preventing each other from having them."

Dangerous great-power dynamics are returning to East Asia, even if it may not result in armed conflict in the South China and East China seas.

Stratfor

You can now return to your regularly programmed shows.

Interesting post

With oil hovering about $38 a barrel, Russia has lost its economic swagger. If the economy were to collapse, Putin would have to return to his despotic ways creating a civil war within the alliance

What happens to the nukes? How would they be secured? Would we go in to seize the nukes?

 

[nuhuh]

Some of you appear lost, the prepper forum is down the hall....

Here is what the experts say about Russia and China in the next ten years.

Russia will collapse ...

"There will not be an uprising against Moscow, but Moscow's withering ability to support and control the Russian Federation will leave a vacuum," Stratfor warns. "What will exist in this vacuum will be the individual fragments of the Russian Federation."

Sanctions, declining oil prices, a plunging ruble, rising military expenses, and increasing internal discord will weaken the hold of Russia's central government over the world's largest country. Russia will not officially split into multiple countries, but Moscow's power may loosen to the point that Russia will effectively become a string of semi-autonomous regions that might not even get along with one another.

"We expect Moscow's authority to weaken substantially, leading to the formal and informal fragmentation of Russia" the report states, adding, "It is unlikely that the Russian Federation will survive in its current form."


... and the US will have to use its military to secure the country's nukes.

A deactivated Soviet-era SS-4 medium-range nuclear-capable ballistic missile.

Russia's nuclear-weapons infrastructure is spread across a vast geographic area. If the political disintegration Stratfor predicts ever happens, it means that weapons, uranium stocks, and delivery systems could end up exposed in what will suddenly become the world's most dangerous power vacuum.

The breakout of Russia's nuclear weapons stockpile will be "the greatest crisis of the next decade," according to Stratfor.

And the US will have to figure out what to do about it, even if it means dispatching ground troops to secure loose weapons, materials, and delivery systems.

"Washington is the only power able to address the issue, but it will not be able to seize control of the vast numbers of sites militarily and guarantee that no missile is fired in the process," the Decade Forecast states. "The United States will either have to invent a military solution that is difficult to conceive of now, accept the threat of rogue launches, or try to create a stable and economically viable government in the regions involved to neutralize the missiles over time."

China will face one huge problem.

China may have a rough decade ahead as economic growth slows, leading to widespread discontent toward the ruling Communist Party. But the party will not liberalize, which means its only viable option for controlling the gathering chaos while remaining in power will be to increase internal oppression.

Beijing also faces another, perhaps even bigger problem: China's growth hasn't been geographically distributed very evenly. Coastal cities are thriving, but China's interior has less access to international markets and is comparatively much poorer. That problem will only get worse as China continues to urbanize.

"The expectation that the interior — beyond parts of the more urbanized Yangtze River Delta — will grow as rapidly as the coast is being dashed," the report says. And the growing rift between China's coast and its interior could presage even deeper, more ominous splits.

As the report notes, regional fissures have been a persistent driver of political chaos throughout China's history, and there is an unlikely but "still conceivable outcome in which political interests along the coast rebel against Beijing's policy of transferring wealth to the interior to contain political unrest."

Finally

The South China Sea islands won't start a war — but there's a catch.

The regional powers will decide that South China Sea island disputes aren't worth a major military escalation, but they will still be a symptom of a hazardous power dynamic.

"Fighting over the minor islands producing low-cost and unprofitable energy will not be the primary issue in the region," the report predicts. "Rather, an old three-player game will emerge. Russia, the declining power, will increasingly lose the ability to protect its maritime interests. The Chinese and the Japanese will both be interested in acquiring these and in preventing each other from having them."

Dangerous great-power dynamics are returning to East Asia, even if it may not result in armed conflict in the South China and East China seas.

Stratfor

You can now return to your regularly programmed shows.

Interesting post

With oil hovering about $38 a barrel, Russia has lost its economic swagger. If the economy were to collapse, Putin would have to return to his despotic ways creating a civil war within the alliance

What happens to the nukes? How would they be secured? Would we go in to seize the nukes?

Russia has 8,000 nukes spread out over a huge geographical area. The United States couldn't handle that big a job so I'm inclined to think they would utilize low yield EMP to render the devices inoperable and then coordinate internationally to physically secure them. Of course it would help if we could get Russia to reduce the number of weapons before something does go haywire.