Conservatives

[mash107]

Many liberals look up to Stalin economic policies for guidance, and believe in Marxism. They also want to raise taxes like King George did on the colonials-- remember the whole "no taxation without representation" thing?

Can we just agree that there are statists/fascists/socialists/whatever you call them in both parties? There are those that like to use government to force their agenda. Those that think that government can actually solve problems, while FEMA should have been conclusive enough proof that it can't. And then there are those that want to see people free and prosperous.

Rather than having a choice between an statist and a non-statist, we have a choice between Democrat statists and Republican statists, both equally as devastating.

>>> You make some sense between your senselessness...LOL

I'm a Liberal, but in almost 60 years I've never met another Liberal that looks at Stalin as anything but an oppressive totalitatian.

The Boston Tea Party was as much a rebellion against corporations as against government

But your FEMA argument is the most senseless...the only thing it PROVES is Bush was incompetent...

There's always a valid argument for less government and improved efficiency...but there is no valid argument for incompetent government...

IMO...Bush took Reagan's "government is the problem" to mean government needs to be castrated, sabotaged and undermined...

President Obama hit the nail right on the head in his Inaugural Address:
"The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works - whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified. Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward. Where the answer is no, programs will end. And those of us who manage the public's dollars will be held to account - to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day - because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government."

...But your FEMA argument is the most senseless...the only thing it PROVES is Bush was incompetent...

There's always a valid argument for less government and improved efficiency...but there is no valid argument for incompetent government...

Exactly. There was nothing incompetent about FEMA under James Lee Witt. The problems with FEMA during and after Katrina can be laid squarely on Bush's having appointed a person with zero emergency management experience as its head.

And the election of 2008 wasn't a referendum on "big government" versus "small government." It was a repudiation of government that didn't work.

FEMA is characteristic of how the entire government operates. It's the norm, not the exception, hence why I brought it up.

Lew Rockwell: Katrina and Socialist Central Planning

Moreover, 2008 was absolutely not a repudiation of government. Instead it was the opposite. A total embrace of the power and size and scope of government-- the same government that brought on this crisis. Government can never work, no matter which political party is in power. By nature, it is incapable of solving crisis or making lives better.

 

[Agnapostate]

FEMA is characteristic of how the entire government operates. It's the norm, not the exception, hence why I brought it up.

Lew Rockwell: Katrina and Socialist Central Planning

Moreover, 2008 was absolutely not a repudiation of government. Instead it was the opposite. A total embrace of the power and size and scope of government-- the same government that brought on this crisis. Government can never work, no matter which political party is in power. By nature, it is incapable of solving crisis or making lives better.

"Socialist"? Obscenely inaccurate, even for the Mises Institute.

 

[Bfgrn]

For the conservative "victims" that keep whining, HERE is the study...
http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2006/03/block.pdf

BTW, it's not liberals fault that academia is dominated by liberals...America's the land of opportunity...I'm sure there's a place for conservatives professors...like teaching students how to drill holes in wood; of course, after being taught themselves by a liberal...LOL

 

[KittenKoder]

Notice how the empirical validity of the study continues to be ignored, with opponents instead choosing to engage in attacks that border on ad hominem logical fallacies.

You mean the responses to those who have addressed engaging the "facts" of the study continue to be ignored. Its not our fault if the libs on this board would rather attack conservatives then address serious flaws with the study.

Don't lump me up with those morons who can't see the study is biased.

 

[Xenophon]

BTW, it's not liberals fault that academia is dominated by liberals...America's the land of opportunity...I'm sure there's a place for conservatives professors...like teaching students how to drill holes in wood; of course, after being taught themselves by a liberal...LOL

Who teaches the liberal, since the world knows Liberals are clueless.

 

[Avatar4321]

Notice how the empirical validity of the study continues to be ignored, with opponents instead choosing to engage in attacks that border on ad hominem logical fallacies.

You mean the responses to those who have addressed engaging the "facts" of the study continue to be ignored. Its not our fault if the libs on this board would rather attack conservatives then address serious flaws with the study.

Don't lump me up with those morons who can't see the study is biased.

Kitten, I would never lump you in with these people.

 

[mash107]

For the conservative "victims" that keep whining, HERE is the study...
http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2006/03/block.pdf

BTW, it's not liberals fault that academia is dominated by liberals...America's the land of opportunity...I'm sure there's a place for conservatives professors...like teaching students how to drill holes in wood; of course, after being taught themselves by a liberal...LOL

Well, it tends to be... money buys loyalty.

Those that serve and love government pays the salaries of those that teach about why it's good to love government.

 

[Bfgrn]

Understanding the Contemporary Republican Party: Authoritarians Have Taken Control
Part One in a Three-Part Series
By JOHN W. DEAN
Wednesday, Sep. 05, 2007

This is the first in a three- part series of columns in which FindLaw columnist John Dean discusses his most recent book, Conservatives Without Conscience. - Ed.

This is hysterical! Would that the "authoritarian" conservative types COULD take control of the Republican party. What we currently have, instead, is a Republican party intent on seeming more like the Democrat party; intent on adopting absurd Democrat ideas (such as global warming) as if they are valid; intent on being "liked" by everyone, but finding that there is nothing a non-liberal can do to be liked by liberals other than to simply give in and join them. I keep hoping that some good, strong, pure conservatives will once again hold sway in that party. At that point, I might be able to vote Republican again because I actually believe in what the party stands for, rather than because I feel it is just barely the lesser of two evils.

YEA!!! What the Republican Party needs is someone that KNOWS what America needs, not some pandering wimp that asks what people want...someone that shows AUTHORITY!

 

[edthecynic]

BTW, it's not liberals fault that academia is dominated by liberals...America's the land of opportunity...I'm sure there's a place for conservatives professors...like teaching students how to drill holes in wood; of course, after being taught themselves by a liberal...LOL

Who teaches the liberal, since the world knows Liberals are clueless.

The Cynics.

 

[Avatar4321]

For the conservative "victims" that keep whining, HERE is the study...
http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2006/03/block.pdf

BTW, it's not liberals fault that academia is dominated by liberals...America's the land of opportunity...I'm sure there's a place for conservatives professors...like teaching students how to drill holes in wood; of course, after being taught themselves by a liberal...LOL

I didnt see anyone whining. Ive seen people laughing at you. I, for one, thinks its funny because you are claiming the conservatives are acting like "victims" when its the left that has created the victim culture in our modern society. I think its hilarious that the people you call resilent and self reliant are the ones who think none of their problems can be solved without government interference.

As for drilling holes in wood, is there something wrong with a good hardworking man? Is he somehow less intelligent because he enjoys building things with his hands and showing others how to? What exactly is of more value for society, someone who knows how to build and construct sturdy furniture, buildings, tools, etc or someone who has a masters degree in race studies or gender studies?

Id rather spend time with someone who knows practical skills then a lot of what's in current academia. But then Im also one who likes to learn from whatever the source. Ive had two excellent teachers one is very conservative and one is very liberal. Idealogy doesnt matter when you are looking at knowledge.

 

[Annie]

Understanding the Contemporary Republican Party: Authoritarians Have Taken Control
Part One in a Three-Part Series
By JOHN W. DEAN
Wednesday, Sep. 05, 2007

This is the first in a three- part series of columns in which FindLaw columnist John Dean discusses his most recent book, Conservatives Without Conscience. - Ed.

This is hysterical! Would that the "authoritarian" conservative types COULD take control of the Republican party. What we currently have, instead, is a Republican party intent on seeming more like the Democrat party; intent on adopting absurd Democrat ideas (such as global warming) as if they are valid; intent on being "liked" by everyone, but finding that there is nothing a non-liberal can do to be liked by liberals other than to simply give in and join them. I keep hoping that some good, strong, pure conservatives will once again hold sway in that party. At that point, I might be able to vote Republican again because I actually believe in what the party stands for, rather than because I feel it is just barely the lesser of two evils.

YEA!!! What the Republican Party needs is someone that KNOWS what America needs, not some pandering wimp that asks what people want...someone that shows AUTHORITY!

Right. Someone like Obama, currently trying and succeeding thus far at taking over 2 industries, controlling the internet...

 

[KittenKoder]

Understanding the Contemporary Republican Party: Authoritarians Have Taken Control
Part One in a Three-Part Series
By JOHN W. DEAN
Wednesday, Sep. 05, 2007

This is the first in a three- part series of columns in which FindLaw columnist John Dean discusses his most recent book, Conservatives Without Conscience. - Ed.

This is hysterical! Would that the "authoritarian" conservative types COULD take control of the Republican party. What we currently have, instead, is a Republican party intent on seeming more like the Democrat party; intent on adopting absurd Democrat ideas (such as global warming) as if they are valid; intent on being "liked" by everyone, but finding that there is nothing a non-liberal can do to be liked by liberals other than to simply give in and join them. I keep hoping that some good, strong, pure conservatives will once again hold sway in that party. At that point, I might be able to vote Republican again because I actually believe in what the party stands for, rather than because I feel it is just barely the lesser of two evils.

YEA!!! What the Republican Party needs is someone that KNOWS what America needs, not some pandering wimp that asks what people want...someone that shows AUTHORITY!

Wait ... what? You lost me there completely ... that was one of Jrs biggest flaws, even I thought so, he ignored the majority and just did what he wanted (when he was allowed by Congress) ... and now Obama is being praised for listening to us more (though I have yet to see it) ... so ... um ... yeah ... I'll leave it at that.

 

[Bfgrn]

For the conservative "victims" that keep whining, HERE is the study...
http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2006/03/block.pdf

BTW, it's not liberals fault that academia is dominated by liberals...America's the land of opportunity...I'm sure there's a place for conservatives professors...like teaching students how to drill holes in wood; of course, after being taught themselves by a liberal...LOL

I didnt see anyone whining. Ive seen people laughing at you. I, for one, thinks its funny because you are claiming the conservatives are acting like "victims" when its the left that has created the victim culture in our modern society. I think its hilarious that the people you call resilent and self reliant are the ones who think none of their problems can be solved without government interference.

As for drilling holes in wood, is there something wrong with a good hardworking man? Is he somehow less intelligent because he enjoys building things with his hands and showing others how to? What exactly is of more value for society, someone who knows how to build and construct sturdy furniture, buildings, tools, etc or someone who has a masters degree in race studies or gender studies?

Id rather spend time with someone who knows practical skills then a lot of what's in current academia. But then Im also one who likes to learn from whatever the source. Ive had two excellent teachers one is very conservative and one is very liberal. Idealogy doesnt matter when you are looking at knowledge.

Well Av, if I subscribed to the right wing definition of "liberal", I'd agree with you...herein lies the problem...none of the liberals I know are "victims"...or believe in a victim culture

IF you don't agree with overbearing government interference, then I assume you're dead set against the Patriot Act, FISA and you fully support the ACLU's efforts to recind those acts... but I shouldn't assume

BTW, I was being tongue & cheek; I agree there's nothing wrong with working with your hands... but tell me; why is that Republicans have declared war on unions... trades are taught and learned through union apprenticeship programs...

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Total BS.

You're saying that people who are born black "made bad life choices"?[/QUOTE]

THAT is total BS. If anything the playing field has tilted in the black's favor. Oh woe is me I was born a poor black child? Crap, take advantage of what's offered, man up and make something of yourself already. Many deserving people have been passed over due to affirmative action.

 

[AnnECUCherry]

>>> You make some sense between your senselessness...LOL

I'm a Liberal, but in almost 60 years I've never met another Liberal that looks at Stalin as anything but an oppressive totalitatian.

The Boston Tea Party was as much a rebellion against corporations as against government

But your FEMA argument is the most senseless...the only thing it PROVES is Bush was incompetent...

There's always a valid argument for less government and improved efficiency...but there is no valid argument for incompetent government...

IMO...Bush took Reagan's "government is the problem" to mean government needs to be castrated, sabotaged and undermined...

President Obama hit the nail right on the head in his Inaugural Address:
"The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works - whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified. Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward. Where the answer is no, programs will end. And those of us who manage the public's dollars will be held to account - to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day - because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government."

...But your FEMA argument is the most senseless...the only thing it PROVES is Bush was incompetent...

There's always a valid argument for less government and improved efficiency...but there is no valid argument for incompetent government...

Exactly. There was nothing incompetent about FEMA under James Lee Witt. The problems with FEMA during and after Katrina can be laid squarely on Bush's having appointed a person with zero emergency management experience as its head.

And the election of 2008 wasn't a referendum on "big government" versus "small government." It was a repudiation of government that didn't work.

FEMA is characteristic of how the entire government operates. It's the norm, not the exception, hence why I brought it up.

Lew Rockwell: Katrina and Socialist Central Planning

Moreover, 2008 was absolutely not a repudiation of government. Instead it was the opposite. A total embrace of the power and size and scope of government-- the same government that brought on this crisis. Government can never work, no matter which political party is in power. By nature, it is incapable of solving crisis or making lives better.

I didn't say that 2008 was a repudiation of government. I said it was a repudiation of government that didn't work.

And, of course, government can work. Government is not authority. Government is organization.

 

[Bfgrn]

This is hysterical! Would that the "authoritarian" conservative types COULD take control of the Republican party. What we currently have, instead, is a Republican party intent on seeming more like the Democrat party; intent on adopting absurd Democrat ideas (such as global warming) as if they are valid; intent on being "liked" by everyone, but finding that there is nothing a non-liberal can do to be liked by liberals other than to simply give in and join them. I keep hoping that some good, strong, pure conservatives will once again hold sway in that party. At that point, I might be able to vote Republican again because I actually believe in what the party stands for, rather than because I feel it is just barely the lesser of two evils.

YEA!!! What the Republican Party needs is someone that KNOWS what America needs, not some pandering wimp that asks what people want...someone that shows AUTHORITY!

Wait ... what? You lost me there completely ... that was one of Jrs biggest flaws, even I thought so, he ignored the majority and just did what he wanted (when he was allowed by Congress) ... and now Obama is being praised for listening to us more (though I have yet to see it) ... so ... um ... yeah ... I'll leave it at that.

Sarcasm
1) harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2) a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark

 

[edthecynic]

For the conservative "victims" that keep whining, HERE is the study...
http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2006/03/block.pdf

BTW, it's not liberals fault that academia is dominated by liberals...America's the land of opportunity...I'm sure there's a place for conservatives professors...like teaching students how to drill holes in wood; of course, after being taught themselves by a liberal...LOL

I didnt see anyone whining. Ive seen people laughing at you. I, for one, thinks its funny because you are claiming the conservatives are acting like "victims" when its the left that has created the victim culture in our modern society. I think its hilarious that the people you call resilent and self reliant are the ones who think none of their problems can be solved without government interference.

As for drilling holes in wood, is there something wrong with a good hardworking man? Is he somehow less intelligent because he enjoys building things with his hands and showing others how to? What exactly is of more value for society, someone who knows how to build and construct sturdy furniture, buildings, tools, etc or someone who has a masters degree in race studies or gender studies?

Id rather spend time with someone who knows practical skills then a lot of what's in current academia. But then Im also one who likes to learn from whatever the source. Ive had two excellent teachers one is very conservative and one is very liberal. Idealogy doesnt matter when you are looking at knowledge.

Well Av, if I subscribed to the right wing definition of "liberal", I'd agree with you...herein lies the problem...none of the liberals I know are "victims"...or believe in a victim culture

Whereas every whining crybaby CON$ervative I know habitually claims Perpetual Victimhood. They say CON$ are victimized by the Press, Lib Professors, Lib Judges, Hollywood, their schoolmates, etc, etc, etc. LOL

Seminar Caller: Don't Be Negative
Feb 13, 2009
RUSH: I not only face criticism, I've got ex-presidents saying I should be shut down, Edwin. I have had the Senate majority leader try to have me censored and thrown off of the radio. I am criticized multiple times everyday on the most obscure, wacko, leftist websites you can imagine. How would I like it? Edwin, I am a target, but pioneers take the arrows, my friends.

 

[AnnECUCherry]

Total BS.

You're saying that people who are born black "made bad life choices"?

THAT is total BS. If anything the playing field has tilted in the black's favor. Oh woe is me I was born a poor black child? Crap, take advantage of what's offered, man up and make something of yourself already. Many deserving people have been passed over due to affirmative action.[/QUOTE]

It's incredibly false to state that "the playing field has been tilted in the black's favor."

And this "many deserving people have been passed over due to affirmative action" is just more whining BS from people who don't understand -- or more likely, just don't want to recognize -- why a niche must be created for people who don't enjoy the benefits of the 'old boy network.'

As I posted on another thread, a lot of truth lies in the comment about people being born on third base and thinking they've hit a triple.

Too many advantaged people don't even acknowledge their advantage and try to pretend that their success is due to their "harrrd werrrk," without admitting that it is a result of the situation into which they were born.

 

[gezztoo]

I'll trade Lebron's poverty and homelessness for my aristocratic upbringing in a heartbeat.

 

[KittenKoder]

YEA!!! What the Republican Party needs is someone that KNOWS what America needs, not some pandering wimp that asks what people want...someone that shows AUTHORITY!

Wait ... what? You lost me there completely ... that was one of Jrs biggest flaws, even I thought so, he ignored the majority and just did what he wanted (when he was allowed by Congress) ... and now Obama is being praised for listening to us more (though I have yet to see it) ... so ... um ... yeah ... I'll leave it at that.

Sarcasm
1) harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2) a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark

Oh ... didn't know that's what your point was .. I digress ... sorry, until I get to know your humor I am usually easily confused by sarcasm online.