Conservatives

[DamnYankee]

"All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats," quipped Groucho Marx, and in fact it turns out that personality differences between liberals and conservatives are evident in early childhood. In 1969, Berkeley professors Jack and Jeanne Block embarked on a study of childhood personality, asking nursery school teachers to rate children's temperaments. They weren't even thinking about political orientation.

Twenty years later, they decided to compare the subjects' childhood personalities with their political preferences as adults. They found arresting patterns. As kids, liberals had developed close relationships with peers and were rated by their teachers as self-reliant, energetic, impulsive, and resilient. People who were conservative at age 23 had been described by their teachers as easily victimized, easily offended, indecisive, fearful, rigid, inhibited, and vulnerable at age 3. The reason for the difference, the Blocks hypothesized, was that insecure kids most needed the reassurance of tradition and authority, and they found it in conservative politics.

Psychology Today Magazine, Jan/Feb 2007

Hmmm.... No link?

What would be their explanation for those who change their "political preferences" during their adult life? Say, after the age of 30?

 

[DamnYankee]

I am a little baffled by the study. I did the usual internet searches and found that this guy and his dead wife are very well respected in their field. I found references to this study.
The thing that confuses me is how come there are only two groups in this study?
I didn't grow up to belong to either group, and I know a lot of folks like me.
Conservative on some issues, liberal on others.
Where in this study are we represented?
One thing is certain, American citizens are being abused by their leaders without regard to political belief.

He can not link his source yet, but wanna bet that you can not see the actual data or criteria? How about numbers as well?

And how exactly does one tell if a 3 year old is all the things supposedly good about Liberals? Or all the bad things supposedly about Republicans?

Yup they sure got lucky and found a group of 3 year olds that all grew up and joined just the two major political parties with no independents at all.

SOP. Some things never change.

 

[DamnYankee]

"All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats," quipped Groucho Marx, and in fact it turns out that personality differences between liberals and conservatives are evident in early childhood. In 1969, Berkeley professors Jack and Jeanne Block embarked on a study of childhood personality, asking nursery school teachers to rate children's temperaments. They weren't even thinking about political orientation.

Twenty years later, they decided to compare the subjects' childhood personalities with their political preferences as adults. They found arresting patterns. As kids, liberals had developed close relationships with peers and were rated by their teachers as self-reliant, energetic, impulsive, and resilient. People who were conservative at age 23 had been described by their teachers as easily victimized, easily offended, indecisive, fearful, rigid, inhibited, and vulnerable at age 3. The reason for the difference, the Blocks hypothesized, was that insecure kids most needed the reassurance of tradition and authority, and they found it in conservative politics.

Psychology Today Magazine, Jan/Feb 2007

Why no link? It's not rocket science.

Psychology Today: The Ideological Animal

We tend to believe our political views have evolved by a process of rational thought, as we consider arguments, weigh evidence, and draw conclusions. But the truth is more complicated. Our political preferences are equally the result of factors we're not aware of—such as how educated we are, how scary the world seems at a given moment, and personality traits that are first apparent in early childhood. Among the most potent motivators, it turns out, is fear. How the United States should confront the threat of terrorism remains a subject of endless political debate. But Americans' response to threats of attack is now more clear-cut than ever. The fear of death alone is surprisingly effective in shaping our political decisions—more powerful, often, than thought itself.


Thanks ever so much for reinforcing my point. The changes during one's adult life have little or no bearing on childhood personality traits.

 

[Bfgrn]

Why no link? It's not rocket science.

Psychology Today: The Ideological Animal

YES, it IS rocket science...the board will not allow me to post a URL until I have posted 15 threads.

NOW that I've reached that threshold, here you go....

Psychology Today: The Ideological Animal

Now, let's discuss your anal retentiveness... LOL!

 

[DamnYankee]

Why no link? It's not rocket science.

Psychology Today: The Ideological Animal

YES, it IS rocket science...the board will not allow me to post a URL until I have posted 15 threads.

NOW that I've reached that threshold, here you go....

Psychology Today: The Ideological Animal

Now, let's discuss your anal retentiveness... LOL!

Why? The obtuseness is so much more interesting.... <chuckle>

 

[Bfgrn]

Why no link? It's not rocket science.

Psychology Today: The Ideological Animal

YES, it IS rocket science...the board will not allow me to post a URL until I have posted 15 threads.

NOW that I've reached that threshold, here you go....

Psychology Today: The Ideological Animal

Now, let's discuss your anal retentiveness... LOL!

Why? The obtuseness is so much more interesting.... <chuckle>

Yes, your obtuseness IS more interesting BIZ...



(This is from the article)
We tend to believe our political views have evolved by a process of rational thought, as we consider arguments, weigh evidence, and draw conclusions. But the truth is more complicated. Our political preferences are equally the result of factors we're not aware of—such as how educated we are, how scary the world seems at a given moment, and personality traits that are first apparent in early childhood. Among the most potent motivators, it turns out, is fear. How the United States should confront the threat of terrorism remains a subject of endless political debate. But Americans' response to threats of attack is now more clear-cut than ever. The fear of death alone is surprisingly effective in shaping our political decisions—more powerful, often, than thought itself.


Thanks ever so much for reinforcing my point. The changes during one's adult life have little or no bearing on childhood personality traits.

I'll apply some edited to personalized your obtuseness BIZ

BIZ tends to believe BIZ's political views have evolved by a process of rational thought, as BIZ considers arguments, weighs evidence, and draws conclusions. But the truth is more complicated. BIZ's political preferences are equally the result of factors BIZ is not aware of—such as how educated BIZ is, how scary BIZ's world seems at a given moment, and BIZ's personality traits that are first apparent in early childhood. Among the most potent motivators, it turns out, is BIZ's fear. How the United States should confront the threat of terrorism remains a subject of endless political debate. But BIZ's response to threats of attack is now more clear-cut than ever. BIZ's fear of death alone is surprisingly effective in shaping BIZ's political decisions—more powerful, often, than BIZ's thought itself.

 

[DamnYankee]

Why no link? It's not rocket science.

Psychology Today: The Ideological Animal

YES, it IS rocket science...the board will not allow me to post a URL until I have posted 15 threads.

NOW that I've reached that threshold, here you go....

Psychology Today: The Ideological Animal

Now, let's discuss your anal retentiveness... LOL!

Why? The obtuseness is so much more interesting.... <chuckle>

Yes, your obtuseness IS more interesting BIZ...



(This is from the article)
We tend to believe our political views have evolved by a process of rational thought, as we consider arguments, weigh evidence, and draw conclusions. But the truth is more complicated. Our political preferences are equally the result of factors we're not aware of—such as how educated we are, how scary the world seems at a given moment, and personality traits that are first apparent in early childhood. Among the most potent motivators, it turns out, is fear. How the United States should confront the threat of terrorism remains a subject of endless political debate. But Americans' response to threats of attack is now more clear-cut than ever. The fear of death alone is surprisingly effective in shaping our political decisions—more powerful, often, than thought itself.


Thanks ever so much for reinforcing my point. The changes during one's adult life have little or no bearing on childhood personality traits.

I'll apply some edited to personalized your obtuseness BIZ

BIZ tends to believe BIZ's political views have evolved by a process of rational thought, as BIZ considers arguments, weighs evidence, and draws conclusions. But the truth is more complicated. BIZ's political preferences are equally the result of factors BIZ is not aware of—such as how educated BIZ is, how scary BIZ's world seems at a given moment, and BIZ's personality traits that are first apparent in early childhood. Among the most potent motivators, it turns out, is BIZ's fear. How the United States should confront the threat of terrorism remains a subject of endless political debate. But BIZ's response to threats of attack is now more clear-cut than ever. BIZ's fear of death alone is surprisingly effective in shaping BIZ's political decisions—more powerful, often, than BIZ's thought itself.

<chuckle> And thank YOU for making my point.... I would query as to the selective copy/paste/post of the "rocket science", but it would be a rhetorical question.... Given your history....

 

[xotoxi]

wow, what a shock, liberals doing studies that say conservative are bad

Wow, what a shock. An incomplete, half ass puctuated sentence from a nearly illiterate conservative. You're only going to help the other side in this debate about conservative intellect. Really, you should take one for the team and sit this one out.

Can you define "puctuated"?

 

[Bfgrn]

I kinda thought it might come as a surprise to you. You can thank me in private for contributing thusly to your education.

Authoritarian Republicans: Understanding the Personality Type

While not all conservatives are authoritarians, all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070905.html

I guess this "concept" falls into the right wing dogma syndrome...

You're a "Tory", you just don't know it...LOL

Conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.
Me

Conservatives born in Germany in the 1920's supported Hitler
Conservatives born in Russia in the 1930's supported Stalin
Conservatives born in America in the 1750's supported King George III

Many liberals look up to Stalin economic policies for guidance, and believe in Marxism. They also want to raise taxes like King George did on the colonials-- remember the whole "no taxation without representation" thing?

Can we just agree that there are statists/fascists/socialists/whatever you call them in both parties? There are those that like to use government to force their agenda. Those that think that government can actually solve problems, while FEMA should have been conclusive enough proof that it can't. And then there are those that want to see people free and prosperous.

Rather than having a choice between an statist and a non-statist, we have a choice between Democrat statists and Republican statists, both equally as devastating.

>>> You make some sense between your senselessness...LOL

I'm a Liberal, but in almost 60 years I've never met another Liberal that looks at Stalin as anything but an oppressive totalitatian.

The Boston Tea Party was as much a rebellion against corporations as against government

But your FEMA argument is the most senseless...the only thing it PROVES is Bush was incompetent...

There's always a valid argument for less government and improved efficiency...but there is no valid argument for incompetent government...

IMO...Bush took Reagan's "government is the problem" to mean government needs to be castrated, sabotaged and undermined...

President Obama hit the nail right on the head in his Inaugural Address:
"The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works - whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified. Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward. Where the answer is no, programs will end. And those of us who manage the public's dollars will be held to account - to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day - because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government."

 

[AnnECUCherry]

Authoritarian Republicans: Understanding the Personality Type

While not all conservatives are authoritarians, all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070905.html

I guess this "concept" falls into the right wing dogma syndrome...

You're a "Tory", you just don't know it...LOL

Conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.
Me

Conservatives born in Germany in the 1920's supported Hitler
Conservatives born in Russia in the 1930's supported Stalin
Conservatives born in America in the 1750's supported King George III

Many liberals look up to Stalin economic policies for guidance, and believe in Marxism. They also want to raise taxes like King George did on the colonials-- remember the whole "no taxation without representation" thing?

Can we just agree that there are statists/fascists/socialists/whatever you call them in both parties? There are those that like to use government to force their agenda. Those that think that government can actually solve problems, while FEMA should have been conclusive enough proof that it can't. And then there are those that want to see people free and prosperous.

Rather than having a choice between an statist and a non-statist, we have a choice between Democrat statists and Republican statists, both equally as devastating.

>>> You make some sense between your senselessness...LOL

I'm a Liberal, but in almost 60 years I've never met another Liberal that looks at Stalin as anything but an oppressive totalitatian.

The Boston Tea Party was as much a rebellion against corporations as against government

But your FEMA argument is the most senseless...the only thing it PROVES is Bush was incompetent...

There's always a valid argument for less government and improved efficiency...but there is no valid argument for incompetent government...

IMO...Bush took Reagan's "government is the problem" to mean government needs to be castrated, sabotaged and undermined...

President Obama hit the nail right on the head in his Inaugural Address:
"The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works - whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified. Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward. Where the answer is no, programs will end. And those of us who manage the public's dollars will be held to account - to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day - because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government."

...But your FEMA argument is the most senseless...the only thing it PROVES is Bush was incompetent...

There's always a valid argument for less government and improved efficiency...but there is no valid argument for incompetent government...

Exactly. There was nothing incompetent about FEMA under James Lee Witt. The problems with FEMA during and after Katrina can be laid squarely on Bush's having appointed a person with zero emergency management experience as its head.

And the election of 2008 wasn't a referendum on "big government" versus "small government." It was a repudiation of government that didn't work.

 

[Xenophon]

Wow.

Liberals do a survey proving liberals are great and conservatives suck.

Didn't see that one coming.

 

[Agnapostate]

Notice how the empirical validity of the study continues to be ignored, with opponents instead choosing to engage in attacks that border on ad hominem logical fallacies.

 

[Bfgrn]

Wow.

Liberals do a survey proving liberals are great and conservatives suck.

Didn't see that one coming.

No...just hard headed and ugly...LOL

 

[Xenophon]

Wow.

Liberals do a survey proving liberals are great and conservatives suck.

Didn't see that one coming.

No...just hard headed and ugly...LOL

It's facinating home much time liberals devote to trying to prove themselves superior beings.

To the rest of us, you provide an endless source of amusement, the best part being that you never get the joke.

 

[Bfgrn]

Wow.

Liberals do a survey proving liberals are great and conservatives suck.

Didn't see that one coming.

No...just hard headed and ugly...LOL

It's facinating home much time liberals devote to trying to prove themselves superior beings.

To the rest of us, you provide an endless source of amusement, the best part being that you never get the joke.

Nor do you...

 

[Avatar4321]

Notice how the empirical validity of the study continues to be ignored, with opponents instead choosing to engage in attacks that border on ad hominem logical fallacies.

You mean the responses to those who have addressed engaging the "facts" of the study continue to be ignored. Its not our fault if the libs on this board would rather attack conservatives then address serious flaws with the study.

 

[Avatar4321]

It's facinating how much time liberals devote to trying to prove themselves superior beings.

To the rest of us, you provide an endless source of amusement, the best part being that you never get the joke.

It really is funny. Apparently, confident, resilent, non-victim people want more government control in their lives while the so called victims just want to be left alone.

Somehow the need for government intervention to make their lives whole shows them to be superior to us. It really doesnt make any sense.

 

[Xenophon]

Nor do you...

Another enjoyable thing about you is you can never come up with original thought, you just parrot what someone else does and think it clever.

 

[Xenophon]

It really is funny. Apparently, confident, resilent, non-victim people want more government control in their lives while the so called victims just want to be left alone.

Somehow the need for government intervention to make their lives whole shows them to be superior to us. It really doesnt make any sense.

A berkerly study finds what a liberal so desperately wants to hear is true.

What's wrong with this picture.

 

[Agnapostate]

You mean the responses to those who have addressed engaging the "facts" of the study continue to be ignored. Its not our fault if the libs on this board would rather attack conservatives then address serious flaws with the study.

I've not seen that. What say you to referencing post numbers?