Congress on Mnimum wage -- Overtime pay -- Opinions?

[iamwhatiseem]

... And recently Rand Paul was criticizing government for questioning the tax avoidance of Apple? Is this a comedy or what. Farce may be the better word.

And once again you miss the crux of the matter, and only observe the top layers of what you see.
Rand made one of the better speeches I have seen in years that day. And I am not one of his fans.
His greater point was the sheer irony of the congress bringing them in and giving Apple a speech about tax avoidance when every member there uses the SAME means to avoid taxes for them!! His second point was the problem is not Apple, it is the ludicrous tax system that allows such loopholes to exist...which...wait for it...here it comes..THESE LOOPHOLES WERE WRITTEN INTO THE TAX SYSTEM...by the SAME GOVERNMENT that is giving them hell for using them!!!

HELLOOOO.....anyone there??
I

Would you name any Democrat that authored any legislation that gave loopholes to corporations.

Would you ask a question that is not a strawman, as well as asinine and stupid?

 

[Wyatt earp]

There are currently 143,579,000 people working and producing $16 trillion in goods and services each year. That is an output of over $111,000 per person per year. The minimum wage can easily be $15 an hour or $30k a year.

Have to love these socialist on here..... move to Cuba

You do understand that the middle class prospers due to socialist ideology. Who's going to pay for the streetlights?

We could deregulate EVERYTHING and rename the United States of America to the Libertarian States of Somalia.

You do understand that only like 3% make minimum wage and like 20% or more make between $8 ~ $15 bucks an hour? your just making them as poor as the minium wage folks.....All youre doing is trickle up poor.

 

[AmazonTania]

You do understand that the middle class prospers due to socialist ideology. Who's going to pay for the streetlights?

So without Government in the business of providing street lights, there would be no street lights?

We could deregulate EVERYTHING and rename the United States of America to the Libertarian States of Somalia.

Somalia is in the mist of civil war and anarchy, and somehow you believe that is vindictive of smaller government and an economy with little to no Government Control? You do realize there are countries with private roads, correct? And once you leave your own bubble to visit these places, you'll be surprised to understand that they provide their own streetlights as well.

Canada, England and Wales, Italy, Hong Kong. They all do it. Last time I checked, these countries weren't Somalia.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Don't you head there every morning for your senior coffee?

I'm not a senior and I haven't eaten at that rat hole since I was a teenager.

Then (I'm assuming) you're a working stiff that votes against his own best interest?

You Assume a lot and we all know what that means.

I own a business and I never ever vote for Dimwitcraps or Repugnantcans

 

[Skull Pilot]

How can a President author legislation?

All that matters is who signs it into law.

It matters not who writes legislation.

duh

No. You have to remember that a dirty trick that Republicans LOVE to use is attaching their bills for the betterment of the rich onto bills that have a betterment for the middle class. Remember Clinton wanting the line item veto?

Perfect example of this is deregulating derivatives which was sponsored by Phil Gramm (R). Remember him, the guy that brought us the S&L scandal. The d-d thing only cost the US $20 Trillion, but the rest of the world..... $526 TRILLION. Countries such as Greece who were highly leveraged got nailed. But the ill-informed blamed it on Unions.

Ah and the idiot president doesn't know what he's signing eh?

No matter how you slice that, it's the guy who signs a bill into law that owns it and its consequences just like Blow Job Billy owns too big to fail since he signed the law that made it possible.

 

[pinqy]

You do understand that the middle class prospers due to socialist ideology. Who's going to pay for the streetlights?

So without Government in the business of providing street lights, there would be no street lights?

Most likely not. Since you would benefit from the presence of street lights regardless of whether or not you paid for them, and since there is no reasonable way to deny you use of the light, and your use of the light doesn't prevent anyone else from using it, then streetlights are what we call a "public good" (cannot exclude anyone and no competition for use). So there's no incentive to voluntarily pay and we have the "free rider" problem. And if enough people take advantage of the free rider problem, the lights will never be built.

Without a government, the free rider problem prevents most public goods from ever occurring, because no individual has any incentive to pay for them.

 

[Two Thumbs]

so min wage should be triple what it is now.

That means we would have to pay $18 for a Big mac meal for one.
$30-60 to get 1 movie ticket
over $10 for a gallon of gas


These are the things liberals don't think about. The results of their idiotic actions

That is completely wrong. Your assertion is that the total cost of goods is equal to the labor cost.

sure thing, take 10% off, then go fuck yourself for missing the point

 

[OnePercenter]

And once again you miss the crux of the matter, and only observe the top layers of what you see.
Rand made one of the better speeches I have seen in years that day. And I am not one of his fans.
His greater point was the sheer irony of the congress bringing them in and giving Apple a speech about tax avoidance when every member there uses the SAME means to avoid taxes for them!! His second point was the problem is not Apple, it is the ludicrous tax system that allows such loopholes to exist...which...wait for it...here it comes..THESE LOOPHOLES WERE WRITTEN INTO THE TAX SYSTEM...by the SAME GOVERNMENT that is giving them hell for using them!!!

HELLOOOO.....anyone there??
I

Would you name any Democrat that authored any legislation that gave loopholes to corporations.

Would you ask a question that is not a strawman, as well as asinine and stupid?

I asked: 'Would you name any Democrat that authored any legislation that gave loopholes to corporations'. What's wrong, is that too hard for you to answer, or the truth doesn't match your blow-v-ating?

 

[OnePercenter]

Have to love these socialist on here..... move to Cuba

You do understand that the middle class prospers due to socialist ideology. Who's going to pay for the streetlights?

We could deregulate EVERYTHING and rename the United States of America to the Libertarian States of Somalia.

You do understand that only like 3% make minimum wage and like 20% or more make between $8 ~ $15 bucks an hour? your just making them as poor as the minium wage folks.....All youre doing is trickle up poor.

So how would raising the pay for a couple making minimum wage of $29,000/yr to $94,000/yr be making them poor?

 

[Eric Cartman]

Maybe we should put congress on minimum wage. They spend most of their time trolling for campaign funds anyway. Maybe cut their health insurance also. Especially the republican dogs that would see little children go without food before the likes of the Walmart heirs had to pay one penny more for taxes. We could start with pauline ryan and erica cantor.

Do you really think they should be in charge of setting our wages?

They aren't... a company can pay you as much as they want as long as it is equal to or greater than the minimum wage.

I doubt many people would say that their company should be allowed to less than the current minimum wage.

 

[Unkotare]

Congress on Mnimum wage -- Overtime pay -- Opinions?

I would have actually taken part in the discussion if you didn't start off with a big, fat lie right off the bat, but I realize it's habitual in your case and you can't help it.

He was trying his best to get a lefty circle-jerk going, but couldn't get enough players.

 

[OnePercenter]

You do understand that the middle class prospers due to socialist ideology. Who's going to pay for the streetlights?

So without Government in the business of providing street lights, there would be no street lights?

Seems you've missed the point. The term 'pay for streetlights' denotes all of the services that you take for granted. Streetlights, traffic signals, roadways, Police and Fire Departments, utilities and/or the infrastructure, k-12 education, public parks, public sidewalks etc.

We could deregulate EVERYTHING and rename the United States of America to the Libertarian States of Somalia.

Somalia is in the mist of civil war and anarchy, and somehow you believe that is vindictive of smaller government and an economy with little to no Government Control? You do realize there are countries with private roads, correct? And once you leave your own bubble to visit these places, you'll be surprised to understand that they provide their own streetlights as well.

Canada, England and Wales, Italy, Hong Kong. They all do it. Last time I checked, these countries weren't Somalia.

We do have private roadways. Two of the three homes I own are on private roadways which I pay for beyond taxes and you can't gain access too.

I've traveled extensively before and after I retired 15 years ago at age 40. I've visited each country you posted and conducted business in Canada, England, and Hong Kong, so please elaborate how these countries have limited or no Government control.

 

[OnePercenter]

I'm not a senior and I haven't eaten at that rat hole since I was a teenager.

Then (I'm assuming) you're a working stiff that votes against his own best interest?

You Assume a lot and we all know what that means.

I own a business and I never ever vote for Dimwitcraps or Repugnantcans

Me too! I conceived two companies at age 20, an advertising and a media company which I merged 20 years later and sold for $21.2M. All told, about $80M gain.

Today I'm an Angel Investor in two companies employing 200 Americans and doing $12.3M/yr in sales. I also manage my portfolio which is $180M strong.

I'm a registered Republican but vote the Democratic ticket. If you want to be successful in business I suggest you do the same.

 

[tjvh]

Minimum wage is nothing more than a means for young people to make a few bucks when they aren't in school. Instead it is being used as a crutch for unambitious losers who failed in life to try to force others to subsidize their pathetic lives with a living wage. Sorry, it simply isn't anyone's problem but your own if you can't do better than minimum wage. Boo f-in hoo. Cry me river, and don't forget to ask me if I would like a hot apple pie with my order, and be quick about it.

 

[Totino]

Everyone is allowed to negotiate their own contract. If you do not want to work for wages offered, then don't.

~LoneStar™~

That's not the question.

Congress (read R scum) want you to work overtime for nothing and, even worse, they believe you should work for 60s pay.

One reallyl lame ass excuse I've heard is that minimum wage jobs are meant for high school kids but the fact is, its now college grads who are slinging grease burgers at McDonald's.

Interesting is that the same lame asses throw a fit if those same people get any kind of assistance and yet, that is exactly what R congress is forcing on these people. Fact is, people have a right to work for a livable wage.

The minimum wage jobs have raised their prices over the years and they will continue to raise prices. Why shouldn't they have to pay a livable wage?

Why is the right so eager to turn us into a sweatshop society? Why do they want us to be China?

This may or may not of been covered already, but not reading the 5 pages:
You're not being very honest here.
A) They are not getting rid of overtime. They are giving employers another option besides overtime pay for their employees
B) It isn't a trade of overtime for nothing
C) They're giving employers the option to give extra time off instead of overtime to their employees

Now I don't support the law as I believe in less regulation rather than more, but at least be honest in what you post .

What's amusing is that I've seen some Democrats complain saying something to the effect of "Why would we steer companies away from trying to hire more people by getting rid of an overtime requirement" it's humorous. Apparently Democrats had no problem passing Obamacare and getting people's hours decreased to below 30, but in this case it's disgusting. Hi pot, meet kettle.

Oh and maybe the kid at McDonalds should of gotten a degree in something other than Art History. Kids have options when they go to college. They should look at the market and see what jobs are in demand that line up with their interests to have career options upon exiting college . And of course, they actually release the statistics and estimate the increase/decrease in most career fields.

Now we could delve further into economics to determine how we could create more opportunities, but that's a completely new topic....

 

[asterism]

That is completely wrong. Your assertion is that the total cost of goods is equal to the labor cost.

The business owner can only push their cost increases on to their consumers

Well the business owner could also accept a slightly smaller profit margin to keep competitive or they could invest in technology that increases efficiency.

How does that equate to better job situations for those with low skills?

 

[asterism]

... And recently Rand Paul was criticizing government for questioning the tax avoidance of Apple? Is this a comedy or what. Farce may be the better word.

And once again you miss the crux of the matter, and only observe the top layers of what you see.
Rand made one of the better speeches I have seen in years that day. And I am not one of his fans.
His greater point was the sheer irony of the congress bringing them in and giving Apple a speech about tax avoidance when every member there uses the SAME means to avoid taxes for them!! His second point was the problem is not Apple, it is the ludicrous tax system that allows such loopholes to exist...which...wait for it...here it comes..THESE LOOPHOLES WERE WRITTEN INTO THE TAX SYSTEM...by the SAME GOVERNMENT that is giving them hell for using them!!!

HELLOOOO.....anyone there??
I

Would you name any Democrat that authored any legislation that gave loopholes to corporations.

Yes.

Obama - Solyndra

Clinton - Tyson Foods

 

[asterism]

There are currently 143,579,000 people working and producing $16 trillion in goods and services each year. That is an output of over $111,000 per person per year. The minimum wage can easily be $15 an hour or $30k a year.

Have to love these socialist on here..... move to Cuba

You do understand that the middle class prospers due to socialist ideology. Who's going to pay for the streetlights?

We could deregulate EVERYTHING and rename the United States of America to the Libertarian States of Somalia.

Somalia is not a Libertarian state. Libertarians do not advocate zero government.

Somalia is a collapsed Marxist government, not a Libertarian extreme, not anarchy.

 

[midcan5]

... And recently Rand Paul was criticizing government for questioning the tax avoidance of Apple? Is this a comedy or what. Farce may be the better word.

And once again you miss the crux of the matter, and only observe the top layers of what you see.
Rand made one of the better speeches I have seen in years that day. And I am not one of his fans.
His greater point was the sheer irony of the congress bringing them in and giving Apple a speech about tax avoidance when every member there uses the SAME means to avoid taxes for them!! His second point was the problem is not Apple, it is the ludicrous tax system that allows such loopholes to exist...which...wait for it...here it comes..THESE LOOPHOLES WERE WRITTEN INTO THE TAX SYSTEM...by the SAME GOVERNMENT that is giving them hell for using them!!!

HELLOOOO.....anyone there??
I

Is it possible you occasionally pay attention? Paul is a tool and you a fool, both mentally manipulated by a corporate worship ideology that possesses the minds of many modern Americans, badly brainwashed by propaganda.

And this from an intelligent conservative site.

"Chairman Carl Levin (D-MI) reassured Paul that it wasn’t about Apple, but about “investigating a tax code that is not working for the American people, is not working for businesses in this country, which some business decide how many taxes they’re going to pay, how many they won’t, what they’re going to leave offshore in terms of profit, cooking up all kinds of arrangements to avoid paying taxes.”

[..]

"Apple did nothing illegal, and they’re the largest corporate taxpayer in America. The subcommittee’s report presents Apple as a “case study” in how multinational companies game the tax code, not accusing them of anything, per se. And though Senator Rand Paul took issue with ”the spectacle of dragging in” Cook, representing one of “America’s success stories”—an oddly combative tone to take, which seems to have everything to do with his upcoming trip to Silicon Valley—Cook voluntarily appeared, and the subcommittee report even refers to Apple as a success story too."

Rand Paul?s Puzzling Stand with Apple | The American Conservative

"The corporate grip on opinion in the United States is one of the wonders of the Western world. No First World country has ever managed to eliminate so entirely from its media all objectivity - much less dissent." Gore Vidal

 

[Wyatt earp]

You do understand that the middle class prospers due to socialist ideology. Who's going to pay for the streetlights?

We could deregulate EVERYTHING and rename the United States of America to the Libertarian States of Somalia.

You do understand that only like 3% make minimum wage and like 20% or more make between $8 ~ $15 bucks an hour? your just making them as poor as the minium wage folks.....All youre doing is trickle up poor.

So how would raising the pay for a couple making minimum wage of $29,000/yr to $94,000/yr be making them poor?

One couple? nothing they would do ok. Your not that bright are you?