CO2 is used to keep things COLD

[Old Rocks]

You dumb fuck. It is not cooling, and the data you gave me did not go to the current level of GHGs. Not only that, it is a reflection of the Milankovic Cycles, not of the current forcing of the climate by GHGs that we are putting into the atmosphere.

High tech words, fancy symbols, papers to view. Damn. Now I have the correct mental picture of you. The hayseed with the buck teeth sitting in a classroom, stating "Pi aren't sqaure, Pi are round, hiyuck, hiyuck".

 

[jon_berzerk]

97% of the experts in the field of paranormal activity, believe ghosts and spirits are real.
Hey... MUST BE TRUE, right? The experts ALL agree!

--LOL

according to liblogic that would certainly be true

--LOL

 

[jon_berzerk]

My, my, another lying dumb fuck. No, we are sure of this because of all the scientists that are presenting evidence for it, and the lack of scientists presenting evidence that this is not occurring.

Bullshit!

Climate scientists told to cover up the fact that the Earth s temperature hasn t risen for the last 15 years Daily Mail Online

World's top climate scientists told to 'cover up' the fact that the Earth's temperature hasn't risen for the last 15 years

wouldnt want to confuse the sheeple

--LOL

 

[mamooth]

NONSENSE!

Yes, yes., we get it. If you don't like the data, you simply deny it exists. That's why you're called "deniers".

You didn't seem to like my previous graph which showed there is no warming happening,

You posted a graph that clearly showed warming, and then denied it showed warming. And you're surprised nobody is impressed?

maybe you'll appreciate this one more...

Climate varying naturally in the past in no way precludes humans from changing climate now.

You fail at basic logic. Your argument is the same as claiming "Lightning has caused forest fires, so humans can't cause forest fires." Your line of reasoning is senseless.

Now this chart covers your evil "robber baron" times through the wicked Koch brothers and greedy capitalism.

Rational people here talk about the science and leave politics out of it. That would not include you, being how you constantly rant about politics. Try not to make your loyalty to a kook fringe political cult so obvious, being how it so thoroughly destroys your credibility.

The black line represents carbon dioxide levels, mind you, the chart makes no determination on where the increase comes from, it's just showing us the raw data of how much there was in the atmosphere. We can clearly see the black line spike upward. Now look at the purple line... that is the average temps... they simply are not rising with the increased CO2 level. In fact, the trend since the most recent natural warming event seems to be cooling.

RUH ROH!

Ruh roh is right. You just got caught fudging data big time. Here's the actual NOAA global temperature graph vs. CO2 chart. It looks nothing like what your denier blog graph claimed. Do you now officially endorse the big lie of your denier blog, or will you condemn them for lying to you like that?

 

[jc456]

The laws of physics DO say man is causing warming.

nope

 

[jc456]

NONSENSE!

Yes, yes., we get it. If you don't like the data, you simply deny it exists. That's why you're called "deniers".

You didn't seem to like my previous graph which showed there is no warming happening,

You posted a graph that clearly showed warming, and then denied it showed warming. And you're surprised nobody is impressed?

maybe you'll appreciate this one more...

Climate varying naturally in the past in no way precludes humans from changing climate now.

You fail at basic logic. Your argument is the same as claiming "Lightning has caused forest fires, so humans can't cause forest fires." Your line of reasoning is senseless.

Now this chart covers your evil "robber baron" times through the wicked Koch brothers and greedy capitalism.

Rational people here talk about the science and leave politics out of it. That would not include you, being how you constantly rant about politics. Try not to make your loyalty to a kook fringe political cult so obvious, being how it so thoroughly destroys your credibility.

The black line represents carbon dioxide levels, mind you, the chart makes no determination on where the increase comes from, it's just showing us the raw data of how much there was in the atmosphere. We can clearly see the black line spike upward. Now look at the purple line... that is the average temps... they simply are not rising with the increased CO2 level. In fact, the trend since the most recent natural warming event seems to be cooling.

RUH ROH!

Ruh roh is right. You just got caught fudging data big time. Here's the actual NOAA global temperature graph vs. CO2 chart. It looks nothing like what your denier blog graph claimed. Do you now officially endorse the big lie of your denier blog, or will you condemn them for lying to you like that?

dude/dudette, blah, blah blah, from you again. Hey, you already stated the data is altered. Busted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

 

[jc456]

And the whole of the American Institute of Physics says otherwise. Now who to believer, a psychologist with basically little science education, or physicists concerning the laws of physics.

I don't care, it isn't supporting the data. blowed up sir!!!!

 

[jc456]

The laws of physics DO say man is causing warming.

No, I assure you, they do not.

Damn boss, you need to let it go.
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I'll be glad to let it go as soon as we stop this attempt to shake down capitalists for something that isn't happening. Until then, you're going to have me in your face with the thermometer readings from the last quarter century, showing you there is no "warming" happening.

Physics does not say man is causing global warming. Physics doesn't speak, it's a discipline of science and it doesn't draw conclusions on things, it continues to explore probability. MAN draws conclusions. MAN decides that "physics has spoken" when it hasn't. Once you have uttered the phrase: "Science has concluded..." then whatever is to follow is forever divorced from science because it is a faith. Science can't do anything with something concluded and believed as faith.

My,my, you are so full of shit your eyes have turned brown. I have concluded from scientific observations that if you jump out that window on the 100th floor of that building that you are going to hit the ground at sufficient speed to end your days. Not only that, I have concluded that I can tell you within a few mph the speed at which you will hit the ground. Simple physics.

And the simple physics of the absorption spectra of the GHGs states that adding them to the atmosphere will drive up the temperature here on Earth. Observation from paleontological data confirms that physics. The geological record has many periods where a rapid change in GHGs in the atmosphere, up or down, created rapid temperature changes. Many times, these were periods of extinction.

Your understanding of what science is is ridicoulous. According to what you just posted we obviously cannot use science for any kind of engineering, because that would involve basing a conclusion on the science.

and yet, you can't present facts that support your claim. tsk, tsk. Where oh where is that experiment!!!!

 

[jc456]

Now there are a many more papers confirming the very rapid rise during the PT Extinction Event. Very easy to find, just use Google Scholar, and put in "Evidence for the increase of GHGs during the PT Extinction Event". What a shame that an old millwright has to teach this to a supposedly educated man.

but where is the experiment that actually proves your point? You have that yet?

 

[jc456]

You dumb fuck. It is not cooling, and the data you gave me did not go to the current level of GHGs. Not only that, it is a reflection of the Milankovic Cycles, not of the current forcing of the climate by GHGs that we are putting into the atmosphere.

High tech words, fancy symbols, papers to view. Damn. Now I have the correct mental picture of you. The hayseed with the buck teeth sitting in a classroom, stating "Pi aren't sqaure, Pi are round, hiyuck, hiyuck".

hahahahaha, you're LoSiNg so bad it's hilarious!!!!!

 

[jc456]

NONSENSE!

Yes, yes., we get it. If you don't like the data, you simply deny it exists. That's why you're called "deniers".

You didn't seem to like my previous graph which showed there is no warming happening,

You posted a graph that clearly showed warming, and then denied it showed warming. And you're surprised nobody is impressed?

maybe you'll appreciate this one more...

Climate varying naturally in the past in no way precludes humans from changing climate now.

You fail at basic logic. Your argument is the same as claiming "Lightning has caused forest fires, so humans can't cause forest fires." Your line of reasoning is senseless.

Now this chart covers your evil "robber baron" times through the wicked Koch brothers and greedy capitalism.

Rational people here talk about the science and leave politics out of it. That would not include you, being how you constantly rant about politics. Try not to make your loyalty to a kook fringe political cult so obvious, being how it so thoroughly destroys your credibility.

The black line represents carbon dioxide levels, mind you, the chart makes no determination on where the increase comes from, it's just showing us the raw data of how much there was in the atmosphere. We can clearly see the black line spike upward. Now look at the purple line... that is the average temps... they simply are not rising with the increased CO2 level. In fact, the trend since the most recent natural warming event seems to be cooling.

RUH ROH!

Ruh roh is right. You just got caught fudging data big time. Here's the actual NOAA global temperature graph vs. CO2 chart. It looks nothing like what your denier blog graph claimed. Do you now officially endorse the big lie of your denier blog, or will you condemn them for lying to you like that?

yes, yes, you don't have the experiment so you insult. So predictable!!!

 

[Boss]

You dumb fuck. It is not cooling, and the data you gave me did not go to the current level of GHGs. Not only that, it is a reflection of the Milankovic Cycles, not of the current forcing of the climate by GHGs that we are putting into the atmosphere.

High tech words, fancy symbols, papers to view. Damn. Now I have the correct mental picture of you. The hayseed with the buck teeth sitting in a classroom, stating "Pi aren't sqaure, Pi are round, hiyuck, hiyuck".

The graph of average global temps over the past century shows a definite cooling trend in the current decade. It also shows an increase in CO2. So we have increasing CO2 but global cooling is happening. This is why you stopped using the term "global warming" and began to call it "climate change" instead.

Are you trying to tell us about the Milankovitch cycles? Wow... it's rare to find a Warmer who admits the planet actually warms and cools through natural cycles which have nothing to do with GHGs or mankind.

And no, Chicken Little, you have certainly not proven that man is changing the climate with CO2 emissions. You have proven that any half-literate moron can find copy-n-paste full of fancy $5 science terms and symbols to camouflage how stupid you are. This is proven true with your further attempts to denigrate your opponents with this tactic. Doesn't work on me.

Again, for over 500k years, the levels of CO2 have risen and fallen without mankind contributing anything at all because humans weren't here to do so. Average temps have also gone up and down without mankind doing a thing.

Botanical scientists will tell you that until about 10k years ago the planet was starving for CO2. Ironically, it was probably lack of CO2 which ultimately caused our prehistoric ancestors to come down out of the trees and expand around the globe as their lush jungles turned to savannas with the declining presence of CO2.

 

[Boss]

NONSENSE!

Yes, yes., we get it. If you don't like the data, you simply deny it exists. That's why you're called "deniers".

My reply of "NONSENSE!" was not pertaining to data but rather a false statement.

You didn't seem to like my previous graph which showed there is no warming happening,

You posted a graph that clearly showed warming, and then denied it showed warming. And you're surprised nobody is impressed?

The graph I posted doesn't show warming is happening. In fact, it shows we are in a cooling trend over the past decade or so. We are in the midst of a warm period and we did have to have warming to get here, but this is a normal and predictable cycle of the planet. In 1998 we had a warming event, El Niño. Since then, the temps have stabilized at about 0.2 degrees above what they were before the event.

I don't expect you to be impressed, I expect you to be pissed off that I have exposed your fraud.

maybe you'll appreciate this one more...

Climate varying naturally in the past in no way precludes humans from changing climate now.

You've never shown that to be the case.

You fail at basic logic. Your argument is the same as claiming "Lightning has caused forest fires, so humans can't cause forest fires." Your line of reasoning is senseless.

Well no, basic logic is, there is no global warming happening so man can't be causing it. We can observe the natural cycle of warming and cooling over 500k years and we see that a very predictable pattern of warming happens about every 100-140k years. We see the same natural cycle for CO2 in the atmosphere, all of it predating mankind by thousands of years. You've not shown me anything to suggest that current increased CO2 is the result of man and not part of a natural cycle which has been happening for 500k years.

Now this chart covers your evil "robber baron" times through the wicked Koch brothers and greedy capitalism.

Rational people here talk about the science and leave politics out of it. That would not include you, being how you constantly rant about politics. Try not to make your loyalty to a kook fringe political cult so obvious, being how it so thoroughly destroys your credibility.

LMAO, let's not make this political? That's really funny since the vast majority of Warmers are socialists with an agenda to bring down capitalism. My graph shows you the industrial age portion of the larger graph, so that we can see where any man-made contribution to GHGs is insignificant with regard to climate change.

The black line represents carbon dioxide levels, mind you, the chart makes no determination on where the increase comes from, it's just showing us the raw data of how much there was in the atmosphere. We can clearly see the black line spike upward. Now look at the purple line... that is the average temps... they simply are not rising with the increased CO2 level. In fact, the trend since the most recent natural warming event seems to be cooling.

RUH ROH!

Ruh roh is right. You just got caught fudging data big time. Here's the actual NOAA global temperature graph vs. CO2 chart. It looks nothing like what your denier blog graph claimed. Do you now officially endorse the big lie of your denier blog, or will you condemn them for lying to you like that?

Your chart is a classic example of how data can be manipulated to make virtually any point. Notice, if you look closely at the past decade, from 2005-2015, there is actual COOLING happening, not WARMING. While the CO2 level continues to rise, the temps are not getting warmer in relation. We can also see that between 1880 and 1935, there was a cooling period happening with consistently rising CO2 levels. If the chart went further back, we'd see another warming period with even less CO2 in the atmosphere. But here, someone has juxtaposed a small cross-section of data to make it appear there is a correlation between CO2 and temps.

And hey... there may be some correlation, I haven't denied that. But our planet's climate and temps, as well as CO2 levels, are all operating in a big cycle which encompasses thousands of years. This happens regardless of human activity and has done so for hundreds of thousands or millions of years.

 

[jc456]

NONSENSE!

Yes, yes., we get it. If you don't like the data, you simply deny it exists. That's why you're called "deniers".

My reply of "NONSENSE!" was not pertaining to data but rather a false statement.

You didn't seem to like my previous graph which showed there is no warming happening,

You posted a graph that clearly showed warming, and then denied it showed warming. And you're surprised nobody is impressed?

The graph I posted doesn't show warming is happening. In fact, it shows we are in a cooling trend over the past decade or so. We are in the midst of a warm period and we did have to have warming to get here, but this is a normal and predictable cycle of the planet. In 1998 we had a warming event, El Niño. Since then, the temps have stabilized at about 0.2 degrees above what they were before the event.

I don't expect you to be impressed, I expect you to be pissed off that I have exposed your fraud.

maybe you'll appreciate this one more...

Climate varying naturally in the past in no way precludes humans from changing climate now.

You've never shown that to be the case.

You fail at basic logic. Your argument is the same as claiming "Lightning has caused forest fires, so humans can't cause forest fires." Your line of reasoning is senseless.

Well no, basic logic is, there is no global warming happening so man can't be causing it. We can observe the natural cycle of warming and cooling over 500k years and we see that a very predictable pattern of warming happens about every 100-140k years. We see the same natural cycle for CO2 in the atmosphere, all of it predating mankind by thousands of years. You've not shown me anything to suggest that current increased CO2 is the result of man and not part of a natural cycle which has been happening for 500k years.

Now this chart covers your evil "robber baron" times through the wicked Koch brothers and greedy capitalism.

Rational people here talk about the science and leave politics out of it. That would not include you, being how you constantly rant about politics. Try not to make your loyalty to a kook fringe political cult so obvious, being how it so thoroughly destroys your credibility.

LMAO, let's not make this political? That's really funny since the vast majority of Warmers are socialists with an agenda to bring down capitalism. My graph shows you the industrial age portion of the larger graph, so that we can see where any man-made contribution to GHGs is insignificant with regard to climate change.

The black line represents carbon dioxide levels, mind you, the chart makes no determination on where the increase comes from, it's just showing us the raw data of how much there was in the atmosphere. We can clearly see the black line spike upward. Now look at the purple line... that is the average temps... they simply are not rising with the increased CO2 level. In fact, the trend since the most recent natural warming event seems to be cooling.

RUH ROH!

Ruh roh is right. You just got caught fudging data big time. Here's the actual NOAA global temperature graph vs. CO2 chart. It looks nothing like what your denier blog graph claimed. Do you now officially endorse the big lie of your denier blog, or will you condemn them for lying to you like that?

Your chart is a classic example of how data can be manipulated to make virtually any point. Notice, if you look closely at the past decade, from 2005-2015, there is actual COOLING happening, not WARMING. While the CO2 level continues to rise, the temps are not getting warmer in relation. We can also see that between 1880 and 1935, there was a cooling period happening with consistently rising CO2 levels. If the chart went further back, we'd see another warming period with even less CO2 in the atmosphere. But here, someone has juxtaposed a small cross-section of data to make it appear there is a correlation between CO2 and temps.

And hey... there may be some correlation, I haven't denied that. But our planet's climate and temps, as well as CO2 levels, are all operating in a big cycle which encompasses thousands of years. This happens regardless of human activity and has done so for hundreds of thousands or millions of years.

not to mention 1940 to 1970!!! Don't forget them years there.

 

[mamooth]

LMAO, let's not make this political? That's really funny since the vast majority of Warmers are socialists with an agenda to bring down capitalism.

You understand how insane that sounds to normal people, right?

Probably not. Crazy people have difficulty comprehending that they're crazy. If nobody has broken the news to you before that you're nuts, consider this to be your intervention.

Sadly, you're not alone. A lot of the deniers have banded together to form an army in the dimension of delusion. Have fun storming the castle of whatever imaginary opponents you've created there.

 

[jc456]

LMAO, let's not make this political? That's really funny since the vast majority of Warmers are socialists with an agenda to bring down capitalism.

You understand how insane that sounds to normal people, right?

Probably not. Crazy people have difficulty comprehending that they're crazy. If nobody has broken the news to you before that you're nuts, consider this to be your intervention.

Sadly, you're not alone. A lot of the deniers have banded together to form an army in the dimension of delusion. Have fun storming the castle of whatever imaginary opponents you've created there.

well since you ain't normal, you have no idea.

 

[Boss]

not to mention 1940 to 1970!!! Don't forget them years there.

The point is, this graph is manipulated to show the CO2 concentrations in a scale proportional to the temperature scale. We can see the same phenomenon (several times) in the 500k year graph, but humans couldn't have been causing it.

You see, we must understand... to a liberal idiot, history began in 1929. Nothing happening before then matters at all. So they run around with this graph showing a natural cooling/warming cycle and natural CO2 cycle, and pretend there is some correlation to man's activities. Now, if we all fell off the same turnip truck in 1929, that may appear to be the case.

This is all about socialists perverting science to push an agenda to destroy free market capitalism. It needs to be soundly rejected and the culprits need to be exposed for the frauds they are.

 

[Boss]

Okay... So I took mamooth's rather misleading graph and isolated the data from the past decade. I could only show through 2009 because that's where his chart ends, but if we included the data from 2010-2015, the trend line would be about the same. As you can see, there is actually a "cooling trend" and not a continued warming with the continued increase of CO2.

This is YOUR data from YOUR graph, I only added the blue cooling trend line.

 

[Vigilante]