MaggieMae
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- Apr 3, 2009
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IMO, this whole climate-gate thing is totally friggin awesome because it's one of those issues/events that exposes the partisan frauds on both sides that litter this messageboard.
The truth is it is NOT trivial. The "scientists" involved are some of the most prominant forces that have shaped opinions and conclusions about global warming and it turns out they were cooking the books. That's kind of a big deal.
So when somebody dismisses this as a "non-story," they expose themselves as partisan frauds.
And likewise...
The truth also is that these scientists do not comprise the entire global scientific community studying climate change, nor does it prove that there was any kind of global conspiracy involved. It was a handful of unscrupulous douchebags manipulating data to deliver their predetermined conclusion. IT DOES NOT INVALIDATE any work that has been done outside their sphere of influence and IT DOES NOT prove that global warming has been a hoax all along.
So when somebody claims that this DOES prove global warming was a hoax all along they expose themselves as partisan frauds.
It has always been my contention that conclusions about man's influence on climate change are premature and unprovable at this time. This scandal has done nothing to alter my contention one way or the other.
sounds like a post I made the other day, but a little more written out
http://www.usmessageboard.com/environment/96672-what-does-climategate-really-mean.html
good OP Manifold. my opinion on climategate
- It doesn't mean global warming has been debunked.
- It tells us that some of the scientists who claim global warming is caused by man are akin to those scientists who said Tobacco was safe.
- It does mean the scientists who have been pushing forward with the man-made global warming theories have been dishonest in their practices.
- It means that before we pass any legislation, never mind multi-trillion dollar cap and trade legislation, we should re-examine any data that wasn't destroyed or altered.
- It means several scientists should lose their credentials, respect, and jobs
- It means the peer reveiw process is not currently credible as emails have shown it was altered to not allow dissenting scientific studies.
- It means those that were skeptical of the science behind global warming have received some validation of their skepticism
- It does not mean we should stop trying to reduce pollution and the consumption of foreign oil
And of course the last point, the most important one, will go ignored and we will continue to be complacent, stay the course, even though world population is now at 6.5 billion, which is over 3.5 times the size of the Earth's population at the beginning of the 20th century and roughly double its size in 1960, and all 6.5 billion of us are plugged into some energy source. It's inconceivable that that fact alone wouldn't have a tremendous impact on Mother Earth's environment. If she could speak, she would say this is not a hoax, but she does speak in many ways if only people would start to listen.