Climategate: Totally <bleeping> Awesome!

[Jay Canuck]

"It tells us that some of the scientists who claim global warming is caused by man are akin to those scientists who said Tobacco was safe."

this is super funny.....which "scientists" said tobacco was safe? - oh the guys that were paid by big tobacco!

which side is being paid by big oil?

 

[L.K.Eder]

The truth also is that these scientists do not comprise the entire global scientific community studying climate change, nor does it prove that there was any kind of global conspiracy involved. It was a handful of unscrupulous douchebags manipulating data to deliver their predetermined conclusion. IT DOES NOT INVALIDATE any work that has been done outside their sphere of influence and IT DOES NOT prove that global warming has been a hoax all along.

Problem being that these "scientists" (to use the term loosely) were amongst the inner circle of the IPCC. Much of the information that other honest scientists (who are doubtlessly in the majority) have based their further studies on, are either based upon or intertwined with the suspect data.

Typhoid Mary wasn't involved in a conspiracy either.

are they also part of the illuminati?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

"It tells us that some of the scientists who claim global warming is caused by man are akin to those scientists who said Tobacco was safe."

this is super funny.....which "scientists" said tobacco was safe? - oh the guys that were paid by big tobacco!

which side is being paid by big oil?

which side is being paid by BIG GOVERNMENT to do reasearch. Maybe those in government wanted a man-made global warming outcome so they could tax the crap out of citizens and corporations to get their personal special interests rich.

See where that came from now?

Big tobacco paid scientists to say tobacco was safe so they could get rich selling it
Big Govt paid for scientific research and scientists told them what they wanted to hear to continue to receive funding.

Its a very small stretch.

 

[Ravi]

"It tells us that some of the scientists who claim global warming is caused by man are akin to those scientists who said Tobacco was safe."

this is super funny.....which "scientists" said tobacco was safe? - oh the guys that were paid by big tobacco!

which side is being paid by big oil?

I think he meant tabasco.

 

[MaggieMae]

IMO, this whole climate-gate thing is totally friggin awesome because it's one of those issues/events that exposes the partisan frauds on both sides that litter this messageboard.

The truth is it is NOT trivial. The "scientists" involved are some of the most prominant forces that have shaped opinions and conclusions about global warming and it turns out they were cooking the books. That's kind of a big deal.

So when somebody dismisses this as a "non-story," they expose themselves as partisan frauds.

And likewise...

The truth also is that these scientists do not comprise the entire global scientific community studying climate change, nor does it prove that there was any kind of global conspiracy involved. It was a handful of unscrupulous douchebags manipulating data to deliver their predetermined conclusion. IT DOES NOT INVALIDATE any work that has been done outside their sphere of influence and IT DOES NOT prove that global warming has been a hoax all along.

So when somebody claims that this DOES prove global warming was a hoax all along they expose themselves as partisan frauds.


It has always been my contention that conclusions about man's influence on climate change are premature and unprovable at this time. This scandal has done nothing to alter my contention one way or the other.

What's "awesome" is the political football the global warming issue has become. I can't remember the scientist's name on Morning Joe (Dr. Bach.....???), who has been a guest on that program before, taking to task The Wall Street Journal for jumping into the fray, all but calling environmental scientists golddiggers. The doc's point was that scientists (on both "sides" of the issue) are dedicated to their work; let them sort it out, and although he didn't just come right out an say it, just shut the fuck up unless you're a scientist yourself. It serves no purpose to fan the flames using the topic of global warming as a blow torch to gain political favor for one side or the other..

 

[Ravi]

"It tells us that some of the scientists who claim global warming is caused by man are akin to those scientists who said Tobacco was safe."

this is super funny.....which "scientists" said tobacco was safe? - oh the guys that were paid by big tobacco!

which side is being paid by big oil?

which side is being paid by BIG GOVERNMENT to do reasearch. Maybe those in government wanted a man-made global warming outcome so they could tax the crap out of citizens and corporations to get their personal special interests rich.

See where that came from now?

Big tobacco paid scientists to say tobacco was safe so they could get rich selling it
Big Govt paid for scientific research and scientists told them what they wanted to hear to continue to receive funding.

Its a very small stretch.

No, it is a loony conspiracy theory...all our politicians would have to be involved and sign off on such a conspiracy...both Bushes, Clinton, etc.

 

[Jay Canuck]

which side is being paid by BIG GOVERNMENT to do reasearch? - no side......that is how science gets funded ...it's just their findings that you don't like.

 

[Jay Canuck]

oh by the way Pilgrim I see you dodged my question - what side is big oil paying for?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

which side is being paid by BIG GOVERNMENT to do reasearch? - no side......that is how science gets funded ...it's just their findings that you don't like.

oh forget it jay.....it has nothing to do with the outcome it was just one of those passing thought things. I guess you missed the part where i said its a little stretch.

Oh hi ravi

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

oh by the way Pilgrim I see you dodged my question - what side is big oil paying for?

Neither side. I didn't say big oil was paying scientists to do research on climate change.

since you brought it up 2 times, does big oil do this...that is pay people to do climate research on global warming?

 

[Navy1960]

San Francisco-based power utility Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E) abandoned its membership in the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in protest over the organization's "extreme" position on climate change last week. Suggesting that this might be the start of a broader movement: a few days later, the Public Service Company of New Mexico (PNM) did the same thing.

The Chamber, a lobbying group that represents some three million businesses, had called for the Environmental Protection Agency to hold a trail on climate science, to debate whether climate change is a result of human activity. They&#8217;ve referred to this as the &#8220;Scopes monkey trial of the 21st century.&#8221;

Companies Take a Stand to Support Climate Change Legislation &mdash; U.S. Climate Action Network


Pacific Gas & Electric Co. is facing a second lawsuit accusing the utility of failing to tell residents of a small community near Barstow about a cancer-causing agent the company allegedly let seep into local groundwater supplies.

The suit, filed last month in Los Angeles County Superior Court, alleges that PG&E &#8211; whose $333 million settlement with Hinkley residents in 1996 inspired the movie Erin Brockovich &#8211; supplied water tainted with chromium 6 to the all-volunteer Hinkley Fire Department.

According to the suit, PG&E used water containing chromium 6 between 1952 and 1965 to cool pipes that became heated during gas compression. The tainted water was then discharged into local groundwater supplies and used by local residents and the fire department, according to the suit.

The lawsuit also alleges that PG&E was aware that chromium 6, a known carcinogen, was potentially dangerous to anyone exposed to it.

Bakersfield attorneys Mike Dolan and Tom Anton filed the suit &#8211; which includes four wrongful death claims &#8211; in July on behalf of 56 plaintiffs. One of those plaintiffs, Gloria Darling, is a Barstow City Council member. The suit seeks unspecified damages.

Darling said she lived in the small community of Hinkley, located about 10 miles north of Barstow, during the late 1970s and early 1980s.

The councilwoman spared no words in a blistering assessment of the public utility.

"PG&E is like a serial killer," Darling said. "They're a $9 billion company and they've murdered people, but no one has been sent to jail."

"Toxics Suit Cites PG&E in 4 Deaths."

When companies like PG&E and Shell, and BP support mandated legislation on Climate Change you can believe it has nothing to do with any noble effort to save the envrionment. In fact I find it very amusing that those that favor legislation being considered at the moment would at one point claim the energy companies are the reason why this is not being done and the money they give to some lobby to stop it and yet, the same companies are supporting legislation for climate change. Does anyone remember the movie Erin Brockovich well PG&E happens to be the company that the movie made reference too and they are also one of the climate change partners. So spare me the noble effots because this has nothing to do with wanting to protect the environment,.

 

[code1211]

"It tells us that some of the scientists who claim global warming is caused by man are akin to those scientists who said Tobacco was safe."

this is super funny.....which "scientists" said tobacco was safe? - oh the guys that were paid by big tobacco!

which side is being paid by big oil?

Big oil doesn't need to pay anyone to say anything.

If you haven't noticed, the entire world runs on fossil fuels. Fossil fuels move us, warm us cool us, feed us, clothe us and connect us. Without them, we'd starve about the time we freeze.

Which side is being paid by government?

 

[MaggieMae]

so who cares if Manifools thinks somebody is a hacK? The truth is it was a global effort to impose a cap and trade tax and redistribute wealth. You did notice the article I posted yesterday about Australia tabling their cap and trade until the US of KKKA passed theirs?

You are correct as to the real meaning of this fraud.

Politics: rather than the promotion of new sources of energy, the movement has been hijacked by those whose main motivation is the devolution of America, or to accomplish government ownership and control of our energy supply.

Sometimes called the “Watermelon Effect,” it is made up of the ‘green’ pro-environment policies on the outside, hiding the red Marxist redistributive policies on the inside.

Yup. That's the "right" thinking these days. Separating scientific fact from fiction isn't YOUR job unless you've got the creds. Don't you guys ever get tired of looking ignorant just by your partisan spew?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

"It tells us that some of the scientists who claim global warming is caused by man are akin to those scientists who said Tobacco was safe."

this is super funny.....which "scientists" said tobacco was safe? - oh the guys that were paid by big tobacco!

which side is being paid by big oil?

which side is being paid by BIG GOVERNMENT to do reasearch. Maybe those in government wanted a man-made global warming outcome so they could tax the crap out of citizens and corporations to get their personal special interests rich.

See where that came from now?

Big tobacco paid scientists to say tobacco was safe so they could get rich selling it
Big Govt paid for scientific research and scientists told them what they wanted to hear to continue to receive funding.

Its a very small stretch.

No, it is a loony conspiracy theory...all our politicians would have to be involved and sign off on such a conspiracy...both Bushes, Clinton, etc.

Indeed it is. Since both bushes and clinton were all part of the same progressive political machine i guess they could have all been part of it.

 

[del]

From what I understand that isn't what they did but I know nothing I can say will change your mind. Scientists disagree on methods to distill data all the time.

We'll wait and see what happens. I personally think that this is much ado about nada.

that's why they don't throw it away.

Climate change data dumped - Times Online

 

[MaggieMae]

Totally agree Manifold.

The fact that these scientist cooked the books to back up what they are proposing speaks volumes to me. They also purged the real data to back up their findings. They want everyone to believe that we humans are the sole cause for "Global Warming.".This is something they apparantly can't prove without fudgiing their findings. Guess they don't look into the history of the planet to often either.

I take it you only read the first part of the OP.

 

[MaggieMae]

so who cares if Manifools thinks somebody is a hacK? The truth is it was a global effort to impose a cap and trade tax and redistribute wealth. You did notice the article I posted yesterday about Australia tabling their cap and trade until the US of KKKA passed theirs?

Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of a scientist--15+ years of education and lab work all just so they can screw the wealthy in favor of the poor. Uh huh...

 

[MaggieMae]

UAE scientists admitted they have no access to their original data. For the last ten years the only data people have used to study global warming over a long period of time has been the manipulated data.

The "hockey stick" was fraud, although apparently some of the conclusions are okay.

This is already information available to us. 0-2 is not a good start for UAE.

El Nino has had a great impact on the US. Ocean currents seem to dwarf any supposed CO2 impact by people.

Yesterday, the global warmers started the adapt or die chant. We are all going to drown. Time out there. ANY ice currently sitting on the ocean or any other bdoy of water is already displacing water. There will be no rise in ocean levels from that ice. Ice melting from areas covered by land can runoff into the water and that would increase ocean levels. Of course, that would not have near the impact of any ice melting whether on land or water. Why not tell us that up front?

It would be unfortunate if this gets politicized to the point further research on man's impact on climate is ignored. Unfortunately we tend to strongly penalize things in situations like this.

Very good points, especially the last one. If anyone is truly interested in following both the scientific and political fallout, this website lists and briefly defines every pro/con environmental website covering the subject.

Global Warming and Climate Change Science

 

[MaggieMae]

Global Warming Livessssssss!!!!!

Gore didn't produce the scientific data which his book was based on. He simply wrote the book and oversaw the documentary. But who better to put the issue front/center? He's been heavily involved in environmental issues for years, and has a high profile which sells books. There are thousands of books on global warming, but nothing sparked public interest in it like Gore's. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[garyd]

Yeah some genius was saying that greenland has 8% of the worlds water trapped in its ice sheets. This is obvious nonsense.