Catholic Hospitals Putting Religious Freedom Ahead of Medical Ethics

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.

My feeling that if people believe that their religion prevents them from providing certain kinds of care, they simply should not be medical professionals and that goes for any religion, not just Catholics. This is what is happening and, not surprisingly, the Trump Administration is working to make the problem worse

Here's What Happens When A Catholic Hospital Won't Try To Save You | HuffPost

Selected excerpts

The Trump administration is poised to hand religious conservatives another victory: a slew of new federal rules that would give religious health care providers wide latitude to refuse to treat patients or perform procedures if doing so would violate their religious beliefs.

Some of the most powerful hospital networks in the country have lobbied for these “conscience” rules, claiming they shouldn’t fear a legal risk for practicing medicine according to their religious beliefs. But those same hospital networks are already using religious justifications to place women in life-threatening situations with impunity, documents obtained by HuffPost show.

Here are some examples of the insanity that is taking place

At a hospital owned by Ascension, the largest Catholic hospital network in the country and a staunch proponent of a rule that would give nearly any health care worker the right to refuse care, doctors refused to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage because they believed that doing so would be the same as performing an abortion, the documents show. Instead, they carted her out to the hospital parking lot so a relative could drive her to a different emergency room, where she underwent a massive blood transfusion and emergency surgery.

Ascension, which operates more than 150 hospitals according to these same religious principles, also runs a hospital where doctors refused to perform a tubal ligation, even though the patient was at risk of dying if she ever became pregnant again. And at hospitals controlled by Trinity Health, a network that manages nearly 100 care centers around the Midwest, multiple women have accused doctors of withholding emergency medicine because it violated their prohibitions on certain kinds of reproductive health care.

Another example

..............on Oct. 25, 2012, when a woman arrived at St. John Hospital and Medical Center of Detroit in an ambulance. The woman was between 17 and 23 weeks pregnant — a point where an infant would not survive outside the womb — and in the midst of a miscarriage. Her condition was life-threatening and indicated that she needed an emergency termination to prevent the risk of bleeding to death, according to a complaint later filed by a medical staffer at another hospital.

There is much more but you get the idea. Religious hypocrisy concerning the sanctity of life, Medical professionals violating their vow to do no harm, and the Trump Administration enabling them for evangelical vote.

Of course....they would never presume to withhold any kind of medical care for men.

Oh, I dunno. They might balk at a gerbilectomy.

I would!

I see that you take this issue very seriously. You have the intellect and compassion of a turnip

The issue I take seriously. You? I do not.

 

[Correll]

Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.

My feeling that if people believe that their religion prevents them from providing certain kinds of care, they simply should not be medical professionals and that goes for any religion, not just Catholics. This is what is hap

Selected excerpts

The Trump administration is poised to hand religious conservatives another victory: a slew of new federal rules that would give religious health care providers wide latitude to refuse to treat patients or perform procedures if doing so would violate their religious beliefs.

Some of the most powerful hospital networks in the country have lobbied for these “conscience” rules, claiming they shouldn’t fear a legal risk for practicing medicine according to their religious beliefs. But those same hospital networks are already using religious justifications to place women in life-threatening situations with impunity, documents obtained by HuffPost show.

Here are some examples of the insanity that is taking place

At a hospital owned by Ascension, the largest Catholic hospital network in the country and a staunch proponent of a rule that would give nearly any health care worker the right to refuse care, doctors refused to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage because they believed that doing so would be the same as performing an abortion, the documents show. Instead, they carted her out to the hospital parking lot so a relative could drive her to a different emergency room, where she underwent a massive blood transfusion and emergency surgery.

Ascension, which operates more than 150 hospitals according to these same religious principles, also runs a hospital where doctors refused to perform a tubal ligation, even though the patient was at risk of dying if she ever became pregnant again. And at hospitals controlled by Trinity Health, a network that manages nearly 100 care centers around the Midwest, multiple women have accused doctors of withholding emergency medicine because it violated their prohibitions on certain kinds of reproductive health care.

Another example

..............on Oct. 25, 2012, when a woman arrived at St. John Hospital and Medical Center of Detroit in an ambulance. The woman was between 17 and 23 weeks pregnant — a point where an infant would not survive outside the womb — and in the midst of a miscarriage. Her condition was life-threatening and indicated that she needed an emergency termination to prevent the risk of bleeding to death, according to a complaint later filed by a medical staffer at another hospital.

The quotes are all based only on the complaint documents in the lawsuits, not on anything that has been substantiated yet.

Martybegan makes an excellent point. Catholic policy is, and always has been, to protect both lives, if possible. The mother's life takes priority in that she is given life-saving treatment even should the baby be miscarried due to the treatment. Some of these stories simply do not add up. Something is being withheld by the complainants . I.

Let us know when you find out what is being withheld . t does not sound like they are that interested in the life of the women

That must be it. It is the only possible answer. "They" don't care about the lives of women.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

There is no "too far".

Are you fucking kidding me! The Administration is doing exactly that, making rules that favor a religious practice. And since when is letting people die an expression of religious freedom? The government should just stay out of it and let the hospitals face the legal consequences of turning people away and forfeit federal funds. THAT would be in keeping with the first amendment

I went to a Muslim owned restaurant and they wouldn't serve me a BLT...WTF is that?

That's intolerance

 

[Meriweather]

Let us know when you find out what is being withheld . t does not sound like they are that interested in the life of the women

The Catholic Church is a protector of life. Period. The moment you hear to the contrary should be the moment bells go of that something isn't being reported here. The mother's life is always protected, even if it means a spontaneous abortion is likely to occur. I'm guessing what happened is that the hospital said it could it was possible to save both, and the patient (or her family) was after forfeiting the life of the baby even though such a forfeiture wasn't necessary in order to save the mother. (Perhaps safer, but not absolutely necessary.)

 

[Meriweather]

Let us know when you find out what is being withheld . t does not sound like they are that interested in the life of the women

You may find this interesting as it explains Catholic policy on "Double Effect" when the procedure to save the mother will cause the death of the fetus... CHAPTER 51

The Concept of Double Effect.

The Catholic Church and many other religions, both liberal and conservative, recognize the principle of the "double effect."


Simply stated, this means that any treatment administered to save a woman's life that also results in the death of a pre-born child is not a true abortion, since the primary purpose of the treatment was to save a life not take it. Even if the death of the baby is a foregone conclusion, such an action is not classifiable as an abortion.

Some of the treatments that may indirectly kill a pre-born child include certain cancer treatments; hysterectomy (removal) of a cancerous or severely traumatized uterus; and salpingectomy (the removal of a Fallopian tube).

 

[Coyote]

Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.

My feeling that if people believe that their religion prevents them from providing certain kinds of care, they simply should not be medical professionals and that goes for any religion, not just Catholics. This is what is happening and, not surprisingly, the Trump Administration is working to make the problem worse

Here's What Happens When A Catholic Hospital Won't Try To Save You | HuffPost

Selected excerpts

The Trump administration is poised to hand religious conservatives another victory: a slew of new federal rules that would give religious health care providers wide latitude to refuse to treat patients or perform procedures if doing so would violate their religious beliefs.

Some of the most powerful hospital networks in the country have lobbied for these “conscience” rules, claiming they shouldn’t fear a legal risk for practicing medicine according to their religious beliefs. But those same hospital networks are already using religious justifications to place women in life-threatening situations with impunity, documents obtained by HuffPost show.

Here are some examples of the insanity that is taking place

At a hospital owned by Ascension, the largest Catholic hospital network in the country and a staunch proponent of a rule that would give nearly any health care worker the right to refuse care, doctors refused to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage because they believed that doing so would be the same as performing an abortion, the documents show. Instead, they carted her out to the hospital parking lot so a relative could drive her to a different emergency room, where she underwent a massive blood transfusion and emergency surgery.

Ascension, which operates more than 150 hospitals according to these same religious principles, also runs a hospital where doctors refused to perform a tubal ligation, even though the patient was at risk of dying if she ever became pregnant again. And at hospitals controlled by Trinity Health, a network that manages nearly 100 care centers around the Midwest, multiple women have accused doctors of withholding emergency medicine because it violated their prohibitions on certain kinds of reproductive health care.

Another example

..............on Oct. 25, 2012, when a woman arrived at St. John Hospital and Medical Center of Detroit in an ambulance. The woman was between 17 and 23 weeks pregnant — a point where an infant would not survive outside the womb — and in the midst of a miscarriage. Her condition was life-threatening and indicated that she needed an emergency termination to prevent the risk of bleeding to death, according to a complaint later filed by a medical staffer at another hospital.

There is much more but you get the idea. Religious hypocrisy concerning the sanctity of life, Medical professionals violating their vow to do no harm, and the Trump Administration enabling them for evangelical vote.

That is very dangerous and disturbing if it goes through.

 

[Coyote]

Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

There is no "too far".

Refusing to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage? What if she had died as a result? "Too far"?

 

[Coyote]

Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

There is no "too far".

Are you fucking kidding me! The Administration is doing exactly that, making rules that favor a religious practice. And since when is letting people die an expression of religious freedom? The government should just stay out of it and let the hospitals face the legal consequences of turning people away and forfeit federal funds. THAT would be in keeping with the first amendment

I went to a Muslim owned restaurant and they wouldn't serve me a BLT...WTF is that?

Remind me what that has to do with a life threatening situation in a hospital emergency room. Oh wait. Nothing.


Or did you get food poisoning?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

There is no "too far".

Refusing to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage? What if she had died as a result? "Too far"?

No one is obligated to act against their conscience, per the Constitution.

 

[Coyote]

Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

There is no "too far".

Refusing to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage? What if she had died as a result? "Too far"?

No one is obligated to act against their conscience, per the Constitution.

Yes. They are, in certain occupations. This has come up again and again in fact.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

There is no "too far".

Refusing to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage? What if she had died as a result? "Too far"?

No one is obligated to act against their conscience, per the Constitution.

Yes. They are, in certain occupations. This has come up again and again in fact.

Delineate the occupations. And don't bring up the fat wacko and the marriage licenses. That wasn't an act of conscience, but of politics.

 

[Coyote]

Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

There is no "too far".

Refusing to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage? What if she had died as a result? "Too far"?

No one is obligated to act against their conscience, per the Constitution.

Yes. They are, in certain occupations. This has come up again and again in fact.

Delineate the occupations. And don't bring up the fat wacko and the marriage licenses. That wasn't an act of conscience, but of politics.

I actually wasn't thinking of her.

But for example:

Pharmacists providing birth control: Why the Supreme Court Is Making Christian Pharmacists Stock Plan B

 

[Lysistrata]

I was born in a Catholic hospital. I would never, ever allow a person in my family to be treated in a Catholic hospital for medical situations having to do with female reproductive health, or any ob/gyn issues.

 

[Votto]

Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.

My feeling that if people believe that their religion prevents them from providing certain kinds of care, they simply should not be medical professionals and that goes for any religion, not just Catholics. This is what is happening and, not surprisingly, the Trump Administration is working to make the problem worse

Here's What Happens When A Catholic Hospital Won't Try To Save You | HuffPost

Selected excerpts

The Trump administration is poised to hand religious conservatives another victory: a slew of new federal rules that would give religious health care providers wide latitude to refuse to treat patients or perform procedures if doing so would violate their religious beliefs.

Some of the most powerful hospital networks in the country have lobbied for these “conscience” rules, claiming they shouldn’t fear a legal risk for practicing medicine according to their religious beliefs. But those same hospital networks are already using religious justifications to place women in life-threatening situations with impunity, documents obtained by HuffPost show.

Here are some examples of the insanity that is taking place

At a hospital owned by Ascension, the largest Catholic hospital network in the country and a staunch proponent of a rule that would give nearly any health care worker the right to refuse care, doctors refused to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage because they believed that doing so would be the same as performing an abortion, the documents show. Instead, they carted her out to the hospital parking lot so a relative could drive her to a different emergency room, where she underwent a massive blood transfusion and emergency surgery.

Ascension, which operates more than 150 hospitals according to these same religious principles, also runs a hospital where doctors refused to perform a tubal ligation, even though the patient was at risk of dying if she ever became pregnant again. And at hospitals controlled by Trinity Health, a network that manages nearly 100 care centers around the Midwest, multiple women have accused doctors of withholding emergency medicine because it violated their prohibitions on certain kinds of reproductive health care.

Another example

..............on Oct. 25, 2012, when a woman arrived at St. John Hospital and Medical Center of Detroit in an ambulance. The woman was between 17 and 23 weeks pregnant — a point where an infant would not survive outside the womb — and in the midst of a miscarriage. Her condition was life-threatening and indicated that she needed an emergency termination to prevent the risk of bleeding to death, according to a complaint later filed by a medical staffer at another hospital.

There is much more but you get the idea. Religious hypocrisy concerning the sanctity of life, Medical professionals violating their vow to do no harm, and the Trump Administration enabling them for evangelical vote.

Funny, you made no thread when the only single payer system in the US, which is for our Veterans, were putting people on secret death lists cuz they were too expensive to treat and did not have to care for them.

In fact, people like you champion such systems as what we need.

Very curious indeed.

I have no idea what the fuck your talking about but it sound like your watching to much Alex Jones

I forgot who I was talking to. I am talking to someone that only watches CNN and Trevor Noah.

Here ya go.

The doctor who launched the VA scandal

So as you see, the only single payer medical care is the VA system, and people like you want us to suffer like they are suffering.

OK so...there appears to be some validity to it, and by the way CNN did report on problems at the VA

A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list - CNN

The death lists that you refer to are in fact waiting lists and yes people died and I find that equally appalling, so if you think that you can make me out to be a hypocrite just because I didn't jump on it and post it, you are sadly mistaken.

This is just another example of you guys resorting to logical fallacies when you can't defend the indefensible.

1. It's a red herring intended to divert attention away from the actual issue

2. It is a tu quoque (To kwok we )(Latin for "you, too" or "you, also") or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This dismisses someone's point of view based on criticism of the person's inconsistency and not the position presented whereas a person's inconsistency should not discredit the position. Thus, it is a form of the ad hominem argument. To clarify, although the person being attacked might indeed be acting inconsistently or hypocritically, this does not invalidate their argument."

Now do you remember who you're talking to?

Ok, so you admit that I was right in that the only national single payer system that you want for us all had secret death lists on it.

It appears this is the first you have heard of this but you don't seem all that upset over it.

You do realize that if this is how the government treats our veterans, we don't stand a chance in hell.

But hey, it's all about agendas in the government taking over everything, which is what you are all about.

Now back to the thread bashing hospitals because they are religious in nature and don't agree with murdering the unborn.

 

[BlackSand]

Jesus Fucking Christ what is wrong with you? Are you a woman or a zombie troll bot? Do you want women to die. Hospitals have an obligation to- at minimum -stabilize a critically ill patient before transfer. THEY DID NOT DO THAT. In one case they left a woman in the parking lot and told the family to take her somewhere else. Maybe you would be singing a different tune if it were you! Fuck their religious convictions! Practice medicine and adhere to the Hippocratic oath or get another job.

Uh yeah ... Your outrage doesn't make a difference either.
I simply stated what they are required to do ... Your objections are noted.

Welcome to the real world ... You are responsible for what you do, or don't do.
You have no respect for the people you disagree with ... So go pound sand ...

.​

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Shame on those catholics for providing hospitals at all.

I mean....it's better for you to die in the parking lot where it might have been.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.

My feeling that if people believe that their religion prevents them from providing certain kinds of care, they simply should not be medical professionals and that goes for any religion, not just Catholics. This is what is happening and, not surprisingly, the Trump Administration is working to make the problem worse

Here's What Happens When A Catholic Hospital Won't Try To Save You | HuffPost

Selected excerpts

The Trump administration is poised to hand religious conservatives another victory: a slew of new federal rules that would give religious health care providers wide latitude to refuse to treat patients or perform procedures if doing so would violate their religious beliefs.

Some of the most powerful hospital networks in the country have lobbied for these “conscience” rules, claiming they shouldn’t fear a legal risk for practicing medicine according to their religious beliefs. But those same hospital networks are already using religious justifications to place women in life-threatening situations with impunity, documents obtained by HuffPost show.

Here are some examples of the insanity that is taking place

At a hospital owned by Ascension, the largest Catholic hospital network in the country and a staunch proponent of a rule that would give nearly any health care worker the right to refuse care, doctors refused to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage because they believed that doing so would be the same as performing an abortion, the documents show. Instead, they carted her out to the hospital parking lot so a relative could drive her to a different emergency room, where she underwent a massive blood transfusion and emergency surgery.

Ascension, which operates more than 150 hospitals according to these same religious principles, also runs a hospital where doctors refused to perform a tubal ligation, even though the patient was at risk of dying if she ever became pregnant again. And at hospitals controlled by Trinity Health, a network that manages nearly 100 care centers around the Midwest, multiple women have accused doctors of withholding emergency medicine because it violated their prohibitions on certain kinds of reproductive health care.

Another example

..............on Oct. 25, 2012, when a woman arrived at St. John Hospital and Medical Center of Detroit in an ambulance. The woman was between 17 and 23 weeks pregnant — a point where an infant would not survive outside the womb — and in the midst of a miscarriage. Her condition was life-threatening and indicated that she needed an emergency termination to prevent the risk of bleeding to death, according to a complaint later filed by a medical staffer at another hospital.

There is much more but you get the idea. Religious hypocrisy concerning the sanctity of life, Medical professionals violating their vow to do no harm, and the Trump Administration enabling them for evangelical vote.

The quotes are all based only on the complaint documents in the lawsuits, not on anything that has been substantiated yet.

Right, they just made all of this shit up. Huff Post= fake news

No, what I am saying is that Huffpo is relying on a source that can often be not 100% the whole story. It's a legal complaint, and thus by definition is one sided.

They also didn't quote the lawsuit so one could read it themselves, something i hate from either side of the political aisle.

You asked for it

Bishops Sued Over Anti-Abortion Policies at Catholic Hospitals

The American Civil Liberties Union announced on Monday that it had filed a lawsuit against the nation’s Roman Catholic bishops, arguing that their anti-abortion directives to Catholic hospitals hamper proper care of pregnant women in medical distress, leading to medical negligence.

The suit was filed in federal court in Michigan on Friday on behalf of a woman who says she did not receive accurate information or care at a Catholic hospital there, exposing her to dangerous infections after her water broke at 18 weeks of pregnancy.

In an unusual step, she is not suing the hospital, Mercy Health Partners in Muskegon, but rather the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. Its ethical and religious directives, the suit alleges, require Catholic hospitals to avoid abortion or referrals, “even when doing so places a woman’s health or life at risk.”

Just don't send pregnant women to catholic hospitals.

end of discussion.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Indeed, the government should stay out of it as the 1st Amendment so states.

Thank you. There is a glimmer of hope for you. I assume that you agree that all government funds should also be withheld

Yes, we the people want our funds back.

I certainly would not want them helping morons like those on the left....they can't die fast enough.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

It's not, and hospitals - religious or not - refer patients to other hospitals for specific services they are unable to provide as a matter of course, every day.

Bullshit, referring elsewhere and refusing emergency services that they are medically capable of providing are two entirely different things. There is something seriously wrong with you if you cant see that. More likely you are full of shit and know it.

Once again you expose yourself as an asswipe leftwinger.

You know everything.

Go fuck yourself.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Let me start by saying that this is not intended to bash Catholics or religious freedom. It is a much needed look at what happens when the concept of religious freedom is taken too far.

My feeling that if people believe that their religion prevents them from providing certain kinds of care, they simply should not be medical professionals and that goes for any religion, not just Catholics. This is what is happening and, not surprisingly, the Trump Administration is working to make the problem worse

Here's What Happens When A Catholic Hospital Won't Try To Save You | HuffPost

Selected excerpts

The Trump administration is poised to hand religious conservatives another victory: a slew of new federal rules that would give religious health care providers wide latitude to refuse to treat patients or perform procedures if doing so would violate their religious beliefs.

Some of the most powerful hospital networks in the country have lobbied for these “conscience” rules, claiming they shouldn’t fear a legal risk for practicing medicine according to their religious beliefs. But those same hospital networks are already using religious justifications to place women in life-threatening situations with impunity, documents obtained by HuffPost show.

Here are some examples of the insanity that is taking place

At a hospital owned by Ascension, the largest Catholic hospital network in the country and a staunch proponent of a rule that would give nearly any health care worker the right to refuse care, doctors refused to intervene as a woman was undergoing a life-threatening miscarriage because they believed that doing so would be the same as performing an abortion, the documents show. Instead, they carted her out to the hospital parking lot so a relative could drive her to a different emergency room, where she underwent a massive blood transfusion and emergency surgery.

Ascension, which operates more than 150 hospitals according to these same religious principles, also runs a hospital where doctors refused to perform a tubal ligation, even though the patient was at risk of dying if she ever became pregnant again. And at hospitals controlled by Trinity Health, a network that manages nearly 100 care centers around the Midwest, multiple women have accused doctors of withholding emergency medicine because it violated their prohibitions on certain kinds of reproductive health care.

Another example

..............on Oct. 25, 2012, when a woman arrived at St. John Hospital and Medical Center of Detroit in an ambulance. The woman was between 17 and 23 weeks pregnant — a point where an infant would not survive outside the womb — and in the midst of a miscarriage. Her condition was life-threatening and indicated that she needed an emergency termination to prevent the risk of bleeding to death, according to a complaint later filed by a medical staffer at another hospital.

There is much more but you get the idea. Religious hypocrisy concerning the sanctity of life, Medical professionals violating their vow to do no harm, and the Trump Administration enabling them for evangelical vote.

The quotes are all based only on the complaint documents in the lawsuits, not on anything that has been substantiated yet.

Right, they just made all of this shit up. Huff Post= fake news

No, what I am saying is that Huffpo is relying on a source that can often be not 100% the whole story. It's a legal complaint, and thus by definition is one sided.

They also didn't quote the lawsuit so one could read it themselves, something i hate from either side of the political aisle.

And this surprises you ?

It's the HuffPuff after all.

I print their stories and wipe my ass with them.