teddyearp
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Breaking the palistan up and resettlement of palistanians back in arab lands, of course.Without a two-state solution, what is there?
Without a two-state solution, what is there?
Either a three state solution, which would be more sensible, or have Gaza incorporated into Egypt and the West Bank into Jordan which would make the most sense of all. .
Like the article summary says---
A two-state solution looks increasingly unlikely - and, for Israel, unnecessary
Seems to me any two state solution (so to speak) can only result in two states at endless conflict unless a Palestinian State was established in some Arab country far from Israel's brutal treatment of peace offerings, a security fence & land concesssions to keep the Palestinians in Israel. Problem is no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, will grant their Palestinians a right of return. Do you think maybe Mecca might be a nice place for a Palestinian State?
Without a two-state solution, what is there?
Reality.
Justice.
You choose.
Without a two-state solution, what is there?
A single state where both sides have to learn to become one people on one land and not keep thinking of themselves as separate or different but just the same and deserving of building a furture in the state they share.
Arab Israelis already live in peace as Israelis with rights they would not have elsewhere. In a single Israeli state any action against Israel would be treason but they would be better off then they are now.
They would have to stop thinking of themselves as palestinians and think of themselves as Israelis, just like the jews, christians and other muslim Israelis do. They would serve the country the same as other Israelis.
Without a two-state solution, what is there?
Genocide of the Jews and destruction of the world.
Three states being Gaza, West Bank and Israel? I could see either of those as possible but not probable because neither Egypt nor Jordan want to take the Palestinian issue on.
Three states being Gaza, West Bank and Israel? I could see either of those as possible but not probable because neither Egypt nor Jordan want to take the Palestinian issue on.
Yes. The clans in Gaza are different than the clans in the west bank, and it would be difficult enough from an administrative standpoint to form a non-continuous country even if blood ties didn't play such an important aspect of the culture -- nearly impossible with.
As to Jordan and Egypt, since Jordan IS the state established to give Arabs 78% of Palestine and Gaza has been part of Egypt before, what's the big deal? It's not as if we are talking about any sort of distinct ethnic group here, or anything. They didn't even start referring to themselves as "Palestinian" until Arafat started demanding they do, so it's not as if they are a legitimate cultural group that deserves a state based upon a long history of being a people. Do you argue that West Virginians deserve a country of their own simply on the basis that they start calling themselves West Virginians rather than Americans? These "Palestinians" are less different from their fellow Arabs in Egypt or Jordan than West Virginians are from Californians or New Yorkers.
Three states being Gaza, West Bank and Israel? I could see either of those as possible but not probable because neither Egypt nor Jordan want to take the Palestinian issue on.
Yes. The clans in Gaza are different than the clans in the west bank, and it would be difficult enough from an administrative standpoint to form a non-continuous country even if blood ties didn't play such an important aspect of the culture -- nearly impossible with.
As to Jordan and Egypt, since Jordan IS the state established to give Arabs 78% of Palestine and Gaza has been part of Egypt before, what's the big deal? It's not as if we are talking about any sort of distinct ethnic group here, or anything. They didn't even start referring to themselves as "Palestinian" until Arafat started demanding they do, so it's not as if they are a legitimate cultural group that deserves a state based upon a long history of being a people. Do you argue that West Virginians deserve a country of their own simply on the basis that they start calling themselves West Virginians rather than Americans? These "Palestinians" are less different from their fellow Arabs in Egypt or Jordan than West Virginians are from Californians or New Yorkers.
Without a two-state solution, what is there?
Reality.
Justice.
You choose.
It's not my choice and those are nice platitudes.
What "reality" and what "justice" and for whom?
Seriously - what is a realistic alternative to a two-state solution?
Like the article summary says---
A two-state solution looks increasingly unlikely - and, for Israel, unnecessary
Seems to me any two state solution (so to speak) can only result in two states at endless conflict unless a Palestinian State was established in some Arab country far from Israel's brutal treatment of peace offerings, a security fence & land concesssions to keep the Palestinians in Israel. Problem is no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, will grant their Palestinians a right of return. Do you think maybe Mecca might be a nice place for a Palestinian State?
Drivel, to quote another poster's favorite term.
Since when is it their job to clean up after Israel?Like the article summary says---
A two-state solution looks increasingly unlikely - and, for Israel, unnecessary
Seems to me any two state solution (so to speak) can only result in two states at endless conflict unless a Palestinian State was established in some Arab country far from Israel's brutal treatment of peace offerings, a security fence & land concesssions to keep the Palestinians in Israel. Problem is no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, will grant their Palestinians a right of return. Do you think maybe Mecca might be a nice place for a Palestinian State?
Drivel, to quote another poster's favorite term.
How interesting considering you yourself just previously said "neither Egypt nor Jordan want to take the Palestinian issue on."
Like the article summary says---
A two-state solution looks increasingly unlikely - and, for Israel, unnecessary
Seems to me any two state solution (so to speak) can only result in two states at endless conflict unless a Palestinian State was established in some Arab country far from Israel's brutal treatment of peace offerings, a security fence & land concesssions to keep the Palestinians in Israel. Problem is no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, will grant their Palestinians a right of return. Do you think maybe Mecca might be a nice place for a Palestinian State?
Drivel, to quote another poster's favorite term.
How interesting considering you yourself just previously said "neither Egypt nor Jordan want to take the Palestinian issue on."
Funny, is the reality of intent of driving jews out as entertaining as my "fantasy"? hehOk, your fantasy is entertaining ...Breaking the palistan up and resettlement of palistanians back in arab lands, of course.Without a two-state solution, what is there?
Now that was entertaining, indeed....but we both know that a solution involving ethnic cleansing on such a massive scale by either the Palestinians nor the international community and would turn Israel into a true pariah.
Ah, arabs supply settlers/squatters, but don't want want to clean them. Funny.Since when is it their job to clean up after Israel?
Ok, your fantasy is entertaining but we both know that a solution involving ethnic cleansing on such a massive scale by either the Palestinians nor the international community and would turn Israel into a true pariah.
Ok, your fantasy is entertaining but we both know that a solution involving ethnic cleansing on such a massive scale by either the Palestinians nor the international community and would turn Israel into a true pariah.
Considering the there were once a million Jews living in Arab lands and they have been clensed so thoroughly that just scant thousands remain, it is obvious that it really isn't ethnic clensing that gets you worked up at all.
If it did, you would consider the actual practitioners to be pariahs instead of devoting so many thousands of postings to advancing their interests with such manic intensity as you do.
funny, is the reality of intent of driving jews out as entertaining as my "fantasy"? heh
Why, but it is perfectly acceptable! Jews, being the politically incorrect community, "must" abandon the eastern Jerusalem, jews "must" abandon judea and samaria, jews "must accept" the "right of return" that will drive jews out, in short, imagined peace and quiet for Europe and others "must" be bought and paid for in jews.That is no more an acceptable solution than ethnically cleansing the Palestinians.funny, is the reality of intent of driving jews out as entertaining as my "fantasy"? heh
Of course, charged terms notwithstanding! We are against discrimination, after all, aren't we?Do you support ethnic cleansing?
Why?! I'm not a democrat and racist, or a drive-by Goody-Twoshoes from some NGO, or a USMB hypocrite, etc..(not that I expect a straight answer from you).