Can The Students Be Silenced?

[Avatar4321]

There is most likely well over 400 million firearms in the country legally, what percentage of those are used in violent crime? A fraction of a fraction of a fraction tops?

It seems the reader can infer you would never pass a background check, since you ignored that part of the post you quoted and proceeded to posted this off topic response.

What have you done to be so fearful of a background check?

Background checks are worthless if police, sheriffs, fbi, military etc don’t report the information they need correctly

Correct, and the Republican Party is unwilling to buck the NRA in making background checks much more comprehensive.

It the voter wants to reduce the amount of guns in the hands of those who should not have them, vote for the Democratic candidate for the H. or Rep.

Go ahead and campaign on your anti second agenda it will energize your opponents

I know. Gore lost to Bush on this issue, and look how well that turned out: 911, two wars, a great recession - all based on the BIG LIE that the 2nd A. was under attack.

Well, screw you and the other liars. You may get your party to win, but given the Chaos in today's White House and The Congress, your efforts to perpetuate the BIG LIE will screw you in the long run.

The Republican Party is not your father's party, it has morphed into an ultra right wing authoritarian oligarchy, and you and other single issue voters will be left behind.

Yes of course. An authoritarian party trying to keep power in the hands of the people

 

[Wry Catcher]

Here is a question:

Why should we allow people who define anyone who disagrees with them as insane the power to take weapons away from the insane?

Straw Man Alert ^^^

It's dishonest to spin another writer's post in this manner. Of course you know this, and that makes your mendacity a character flaw.

 

[Avatar4321]

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Since the student survivors of the mass murder at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School began their drive to ban the sale of semi-automatic, assault type rifles, the tremendous response from other students nationwide has turned their cause into a strong, grass roots movement.

Conservatives and their leaders are deeply concerned over the possible results this overwhelming number of kids could have. Conservatives, gun nuts, and Republican politicians are appalled by these kids demanding their safety be a priority over the gun nuts’ lunatic desire to own the phallic symbol that is their favorite to stroke and kiss.

Due to this uncontrollable fear conservatives have at the thought of losing their penile substitute, Mitch McConnell decided to ignore the growing number of young voters in this movement. With the coming mid-term elections, these many, many, many students now have the potential to join with tens-of-millions of progressive voters and put the Democrats in control of congress.

In addition to Mitch, conservative community leaders, conservatives on school boards and school administrators have done all they can to stifle the students’ enthusiasm. And now, the National Parks Service is doing so.

A “March For Our Lives” rally was planned by the Stoneman Douglas survivors to take place on the Mall in D.C., but organizers were refused a permit by the National Parks Service management. A representative for the Park Service cited a conflict with a “talent show” as the reason.

The co-executive producer of “Dancing With the Stars” Deena Katz was brought in by the Stoneman Douglas survivors to plan the major event and has a nearly $2 million budget. The money is was raised with a “GoFundMe page, along with donations from Oprah Winfrey, Steven Spielberg and George and Amal Clooney.”

The “talent show” permit application listed equipment for the film crew’s use for the Mall as two tables, two bikes and jump ropes.

The list on the permit application for the March For Our Lives rally included 14 Jumbotrons, 2,000 chairs and 2,000 portable restrooms to be funded with part of the $2 million.

This equipment will be used by the “student speakers, musical performers, guest speakers and video tributes,” and up to an estimated 500,000 attendees, according to the permit application.

The D.C. location for March For Our Lives rally is just one of many big and small events planned in cities across the nation on the same day.

For the conservatives, the gun nuts, and Republican politicians sworn to serve the NRA, be afraid, be very afraid. And keep trying to silence this protest by these young voters. Their anger is not going away, and their numbers are growing. How many millions in 2018? And how many millions more in 2020? Yes, be afraid, be very, very afraid. (And keep pi$$ing them off. It can only help their cause.)

As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. Unfortunately, the conservatives remain either unaware or will deny their individual response to this thread is their typical nonsense consisting of denial, alternate facts, and/or off-topic silliness. (e.g. non-sequiturs, ratings, transference, deflection, memes, etc.). Their mindless prattle is expected by people of reason, who also realize it is a waste of time to offer the conservatives any reply.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/organizers-plan-for-500000-attendees-at-march-for-our-lives-rally-in-washington/2018/02/22/a9ff1992-17f9-11e8-8ac5-84161111ace0_story.html?utm_term=.353cdd5cb3f1

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/march-for-our-lives-gun-control-rally-bumped-from-mall-by-talent-show/2018/03/01/ad8c7268-1cc6-11e8-9496-c89dc446c2d3_story.html?utm_term=.66b0cab356d5





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No these kids can't be silenced but they've got to do more than that. They have got to vote this coming November in the midterm election cycle. If you're 18 years old and not registered, register to vote now! If you're going to be 18 soon, register to vote as soon as you are. If you have friends that are 18 make sure they register and they VOTE. If you're away at college plan ahead to receive a mail-in ballot from your home state.

Someone who doesn't vote or votes for any Republican is voting for more sympathies and prayer vigils. Even though the Florida state legislature did a gun restriction on age, and as soon as you forget about it, and are not looking they'll go right back to the old gun regulations by lowering the age limit. Republicans have done this before. Do not be fooled by this.

The NRA is the Republican parties campaign cash cow and they are going to protect that cow no matter what.

The gun rights organization spent a stupendous $54.4 million in the 2016 election cycle, almost all of it in "independent expenditures," meaning spending for or against a candidate but not a direct contribution to a campaign. The money went almost entirely to Republicans to a degree that almost looks like a misprint (but isn't): Of independent expenditures totaling $52.6 million, Democrats received $265. Yes, that's 265 dollars.If you're looking for a reason that politicians are quick to declare that their "thoughts and prayers" are with the victims of the horrific slaughters that have become virtually routine in American life, but do nothing further to stop them, look no further.

'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns

If you want common sense gun control in this country, you'll have to vote for Democrats this coming November in the 2018 mid term election cycle.

If common sense had anything to do with democrats gun control policies, they would be able to persuade people with out using the fear and grief of people who should be mourning. Democrat policies are purely emotion based. If reason was involved they wouldn’t be pushing policies that actually did something to stop mass shootings rather than ones that wouldn’t have changed anything.

Common sense gun control is placing the gun in your own hands so you can use it to protect yourself rather than remain unarmed targets for evil men. Common sense is using the tools you have to stop evil rather than making it illegal to have those tools.

Republicans have owned the house since 2010. The Aurora theater shooting happened, they did nothing. Virginia Tech happened, they did nothing, Sandy Hook happened, they did nothing, San Bernardino, California happened they did nothing, Orlando, Florida happened they did nothing, Las Vegas, Nevada happened, they did nothing, Sutherland Springs, Texas happened they did nothing, and Parkland, Florida happened and they won't do nothing. A total of 9 mass shootings since Republicans have held the house and they have refused to do anything. They haven't even talked about bump stocks being sold across this country.

Anything the NRA wants, the Republican party makes certain it happens.

What they did do is eliminate mental health background checks Obama initiated after Sandy Hook, as soon as Trump walked through the oval office door.
Trump repeals an Obama regulation keeping guns from people with certain mental health conditions

Obama asked Republicans to put people who were on no fly lists and terrorist watch lists on NO gun lists, and Republicans said NO.
Obama: It's 'insane' that people on the 'no-fly' list can buy guns - CNNPolitics

Then Orlando, Florida happened where a terrorist was on an FBI watch list walked into a gun store was able to load up and he killed 49 innocent people, and Republicans still did NOTHING. They didn't even think maybe Obama was right, these people should be on no gun lists.
Orlando shooting: 49 killed, shooter pledged ISIS allegiance - CNN

Florida just passed a law that requires a 21 age limit on all gun purchases and the NRA has already launched a law suit.

The National Rifle Association on Friday sued Florida over new gun restrictions that were signed into law in response to the Parkland school shooting that killed 17 people. The NRA filed the lawsuit just hours after Gov. Rick Scott signed the legislation, which, in addition to funding for school safety programs, raises the age limit for buying rifles from 18 to 21 and extends a three-day waiting period for handgun purchases to include long guns. It also establishes a program to arm trained teachers and campus employees.The NRA, however, is asking a federal judge to stop the new age requirement, arguing it violates the Constitution.

The NRA Is Suing Florida Over New Gun Control Laws Put In Place After The Parkland Shooting

Who is going to side with the NRA on this law suit against Florida?---REPUBLICANS are.

'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns

If you want common sense gun controls in this country, you'll have to VOTE for Democrats this coming November in the midterm election cycle. If you don't vote or vote for Republicans, you're just casting a vote for more sympathies and prayer vigils.

Why would they do anything? The constitution limits the authority they have to act with reserving that power to the states and the people.

The issue isn't the federal government isn’t doing enough (though had the government followed protocol this last shooting wouldn’t have happened). The issue is the states and the people haven’t done enough.

Rather than exercise your right to self defense, you are giving bureaucrats power to infringe on that right. Instead of being parents and teaching your children how to defend themselves and what to do in these situations, you are trying to take away their right to defend themselves and putting them in the hands of people protesting at the idea of protecting them.

We used to teach students how to fire a gun at schools. Now we teach them to be victims.

No the problem isnt Congress here

It’s you

That's a crock of crap. The Federal Government regulates everything in this country. Criminals and Felons can't buy guns (Federal law) but sick teenagers can walk in and buy an AR-15--when numerous threats were reported to law enforcement?

The Sheriff in Florida was interviewed, and he told everyone to report, report, report. When the reporter asked him, well if you would have had information on Cruz what would you have done? Sheriff--well we would have gone out and "talked" to him. Reporter--"Would you have been able to seize that AR-15"? Well no, he has a legal right to own it.

There are several things the Federal Government can do right now.

1. Ban the sale of semi-automatics in this country. They weren't legal prior to 2004. Or require a maintained liability insurance policy on each sale. Require that one owner can't buy more than 1 semi-automatic. Require that they are locked up and inaccessible to anyone but the owner. Limit clip size.
2. Ban bump stocks.
3. Mental health background checks--that Republicans took off as soon as Trump walked into office.
4. People who are on no fly lists and terrorist watch lists are on no gun lists.
5. Parents with kids and teenagers at home--required to keep all guns and ammo locked up and inaccessible to their kids at all times.
6. Gun shows--required to do back ground checks.
7. No private sales. If you want to sell your gun it goes to a licensed dealer on consignment, so they can do a background check on the new buyer.
8. When people report threatening behavior LOCAL law enforcement is notified and if reasonable cause they can seize all weapons and ammo, and that person is put on a no gun list.


These are common sense gun regulations, that could have been passed by Republicans, and they haven't done jack--over the last 9 years, and after 9 mass killings.

You keep saying common sense. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

It is not common sense to give the federal government power it’s not authorized to have.

It’s not common sense to strip rights from citizens without due process.

Nor is it common sense to even ban from the crazy when you define anyone who disagrees with you as crazy.

If your positions were common sense as you claim, you wouldn’t have to use a tragedy to force the policies through on fear, grief, and pure emotion

 

[Wry Catcher]

It seems the reader can infer you would never pass a background check, since you ignored that part of the post you quoted and proceeded to posted this off topic response.

What have you done to be so fearful of a background check?

Background checks are worthless if police, sheriffs, fbi, military etc don’t report the information they need correctly

Correct, and the Republican Party is unwilling to buck the NRA in making background checks much more comprehensive.

It the voter wants to reduce the amount of guns in the hands of those who should not have them, vote for the Democratic candidate for the H. or Rep.

Go ahead and campaign on your anti second agenda it will energize your opponents

I know. Gore lost to Bush on this issue, and look how well that turned out: 911, two wars, a great recession - all based on the BIG LIE that the 2nd A. was under attack.

Well, screw you and the other liars. You may get your party to win, but given the Chaos in today's White House and The Congress, your efforts to perpetuate the BIG LIE will screw you in the long run.

The Republican Party is not your father's party, it has morphed into an ultra right wing authoritarian oligarchy, and you and other single issue voters will be left behind.

Yes of course. An authoritarian party trying to keep power in the hands of the people

Really, in what way does the Republican Party seek to provide power to the people?

• Universal suffrage?
• Equal rights and equal opportunities to all?
• Does the R Party support the vision statement / mission statement outlined in the Preamble to COTUS?

Please explain how Trump's attack on LE, the Press, Hollywood, Women Victims of Sexual Battery, etc. etc. have been afforded the power you state is provided to the people.

 

[kaz]

I'm not clear how that applies to the discussion, so I doubt high schoolers will get that either

Whatever arguments anyone makes to support their position ... Pro, con, left, right, middle, alien, green, black, blue, orange ...
Doesn't change whether or not the Constitution grants the federal government the power to govern the issue.

If they want to grant the federal government the power to govern something it doesn't have the authority to ... They need to change the Constitution to allow that.
That can be done.

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OK, I agree with that point then. I don't see how it's going to change the minds of any leftists though. I don't think anything will change their minds. Government set them up to die in Florida and that doesn't make them blink.

I just took poison. Quick, give me more!

 

[Avatar4321]

Here is a question:

Why should we allow people who define anyone who disagrees with them as insane the power to take weapons away from the insane?

Straw Man Alert ^^^

It's dishonest to spin another writer's post in this manner. Of course you know this, and that makes your mendacity a character flaw.

So you and countless others dont routinely call republicans and conservatives crazy for disagreeing with you?

You don’t think electing Donald Trump was insane?

 

[Dschrute3]

More Useful Idiot drivel. The poor kids down there have been exploited by the Democrats. It's so shameful.

 

[Wry Catcher]

No these kids can't be silenced but they've got to do more than that. They have got to vote this coming November in the midterm election cycle. If you're 18 years old and not registered, register to vote now! If you're going to be 18 soon, register to vote as soon as you are. If you have friends that are 18 make sure they register and they VOTE. If you're away at college plan ahead to receive a mail-in ballot from your home state.

Someone who doesn't vote or votes for any Republican is voting for more sympathies and prayer vigils. Even though the Florida state legislature did a gun restriction on age, and as soon as you forget about it, and are not looking they'll go right back to the old gun regulations by lowering the age limit. Republicans have done this before. Do not be fooled by this.

The NRA is the Republican parties campaign cash cow and they are going to protect that cow no matter what.

'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns

If you want common sense gun control in this country, you'll have to vote for Democrats this coming November in the 2018 mid term election cycle.

If common sense had anything to do with democrats gun control policies, they would be able to persuade people with out using the fear and grief of people who should be mourning. Democrat policies are purely emotion based. If reason was involved they wouldn’t be pushing policies that actually did something to stop mass shootings rather than ones that wouldn’t have changed anything.

Common sense gun control is placing the gun in your own hands so you can use it to protect yourself rather than remain unarmed targets for evil men. Common sense is using the tools you have to stop evil rather than making it illegal to have those tools.

Republicans have owned the house since 2010. The Aurora theater shooting happened, they did nothing. Virginia Tech happened, they did nothing, Sandy Hook happened, they did nothing, San Bernardino, California happened they did nothing, Orlando, Florida happened they did nothing, Las Vegas, Nevada happened, they did nothing, Sutherland Springs, Texas happened they did nothing, and Parkland, Florida happened and they won't do nothing. A total of 9 mass shootings since Republicans have held the house and they have refused to do anything. They haven't even talked about bump stocks being sold across this country.

Anything the NRA wants, the Republican party makes certain it happens.

What they did do is eliminate mental health background checks Obama initiated after Sandy Hook, as soon as Trump walked through the oval office door.
Trump repeals an Obama regulation keeping guns from people with certain mental health conditions

Obama asked Republicans to put people who were on no fly lists and terrorist watch lists on NO gun lists, and Republicans said NO.
Obama: It's 'insane' that people on the 'no-fly' list can buy guns - CNNPolitics

Then Orlando, Florida happened where a terrorist was on an FBI watch list walked into a gun store was able to load up and he killed 49 innocent people, and Republicans still did NOTHING. They didn't even think maybe Obama was right, these people should be on no gun lists.
Orlando shooting: 49 killed, shooter pledged ISIS allegiance - CNN

Florida just passed a law that requires a 21 age limit on all gun purchases and the NRA has already launched a law suit.

The National Rifle Association on Friday sued Florida over new gun restrictions that were signed into law in response to the Parkland school shooting that killed 17 people. The NRA filed the lawsuit just hours after Gov. Rick Scott signed the legislation, which, in addition to funding for school safety programs, raises the age limit for buying rifles from 18 to 21 and extends a three-day waiting period for handgun purchases to include long guns. It also establishes a program to arm trained teachers and campus employees.The NRA, however, is asking a federal judge to stop the new age requirement, arguing it violates the Constitution.

The NRA Is Suing Florida Over New Gun Control Laws Put In Place After The Parkland Shooting

Who is going to side with the NRA on this law suit against Florida?---REPUBLICANS are.

'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns

If you want common sense gun controls in this country, you'll have to VOTE for Democrats this coming November in the midterm election cycle. If you don't vote or vote for Republicans, you're just casting a vote for more sympathies and prayer vigils.

Why would they do anything? The constitution limits the authority they have to act with reserving that power to the states and the people.

The issue isn't the federal government isn’t doing enough (though had the government followed protocol this last shooting wouldn’t have happened). The issue is the states and the people haven’t done enough.

Rather than exercise your right to self defense, you are giving bureaucrats power to infringe on that right. Instead of being parents and teaching your children how to defend themselves and what to do in these situations, you are trying to take away their right to defend themselves and putting them in the hands of people protesting at the idea of protecting them.

We used to teach students how to fire a gun at schools. Now we teach them to be victims.

No the problem isnt Congress here

It’s you

That's a crock of crap. The Federal Government regulates everything in this country. Criminals and Felons can't buy guns (Federal law) but sick teenagers can walk in and buy an AR-15--when numerous threats were reported to law enforcement?

The Sheriff in Florida was interviewed, and he told everyone to report, report, report. When the reporter asked him, well if you would have had information on Cruz what would you have done? Sheriff--well we would have gone out and "talked" to him. Reporter--"Would you have been able to seize that AR-15"? Well no, he has a legal right to own it.

There are several things the Federal Government can do right now.

1. Ban the sale of semi-automatics in this country. They weren't legal prior to 2004. Or require a maintained liability insurance policy on each sale. Require that one owner can't buy more than 1 semi-automatic. Require that they are locked up and inaccessible to anyone but the owner. Limit clip size.
2. Ban bump stocks.
3. Mental health background checks--that Republicans took off as soon as Trump walked into office.
4. People who are on no fly lists and terrorist watch lists are on no gun lists.
5. Parents with kids and teenagers at home--required to keep all guns and ammo locked up and inaccessible to their kids at all times.
6. Gun shows--required to do back ground checks.
7. No private sales. If you want to sell your gun it goes to a licensed dealer on consignment, so they can do a background check on the new buyer.
8. When people report threatening behavior LOCAL law enforcement is notified and if reasonable cause they can seize all weapons and ammo, and that person is put on a no gun list.


These are common sense gun regulations, that could have been passed by Republicans, and they haven't done jack--over the last 9 years, and after 9 mass killings.

You keep saying common sense. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

It is not common sense to give the federal government power it’s not authorized to have.

It’s not common sense to strip rights from citizens without due process.

Nor is it common sense to even ban from the crazy when you define anyone who disagrees with you as crazy.

If your positions were common sense as you claim, you wouldn’t have to use a tragedy to force the policies through on fear, grief, and pure emotion

Have you ever had an original thought? Serious question, you simply echo the current meme as if you had some sort of epiphany.

I haven't given the POTUS the power of an Executive Privilege or the Federal Government other powers not express in Art. I, II or III.

Common sense suggests we play by the rules in effect and not pretend otherwise.

Marbury v. Madison is not listed as a power for the USSC in Art. III, yet it has been in effect for over 200 years;

EO's are not listed as a power of the President, in Art II, yet they have been used by Presidents for over 200 years;

yet, the meme that the powers in Art. I, sec 8, clause 1 don't include the common defense as anything more than an attack by a foreign power and the general Welfare is irrelevant and superseded by the 2nd A.

 

[BlackSand]

OK, I agree with that point then. I don't see how it's going to change the minds of any leftists though. I don't think anything will change their minds. Government set them up to die in Florida and that doesn't make them blink.

I just took poison. Quick, give me more!

Thanks ... And that is what I mean.

It is hard to change their minds because they haven't been taught to think for themselves.
At some point ... Someone needs to redirect them in a manner they can start to address the real issues.

In my experience ... You cannot do it by telling anyone anything.
You ask them specific questions ... Make them use their minds to come up with answers.
If the answers don't address the problem correctly ... Ask them another question that leads them to a better answer.

It's how real psychology works ... I psychologist doesn't really solve your problems ... They simply help the person find appropriate solutions to their problems.

Edit:
You cannot really change someone's mind ... You can lead them to sufficient reason to change their own mind.
Or ... You can beat them into submission and compliance with your desires.

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[Avatar4321]

Background checks are worthless if police, sheriffs, fbi, military etc don’t report the information they need correctly

Correct, and the Republican Party is unwilling to buck the NRA in making background checks much more comprehensive.

It the voter wants to reduce the amount of guns in the hands of those who should not have them, vote for the Democratic candidate for the H. or Rep.

Go ahead and campaign on your anti second agenda it will energize your opponents

I know. Gore lost to Bush on this issue, and look how well that turned out: 911, two wars, a great recession - all based on the BIG LIE that the 2nd A. was under attack.

Well, screw you and the other liars. You may get your party to win, but given the Chaos in today's White House and The Congress, your efforts to perpetuate the BIG LIE will screw you in the long run.

The Republican Party is not your father's party, it has morphed into an ultra right wing authoritarian oligarchy, and you and other single issue voters will be left behind.

Yes of course. An authoritarian party trying to keep power in the hands of the people

Really, in what way does the Republican Party seek to provide power to the people?

• Universal suffrage?
• Equal rights and equal opportunities to all?
• Does the R Party support the vision statement / mission statement outlined in the Preamble to COTUS?

Please explain how Trump's attack on LE, the Press, Hollywood, Women Victims of Sexual Battery, etc. etc. have been afforded the power you state is provided to the people.

Republicans ended slavery. We marched against democrats to allow universal suffrage and the voters rights act.

It’s republicans who fight for the unborn. And In this thread we are fighting for the universal right to self defense.

You’re literally arguing against the second amendment and question how our vision is in the constitution, and you have the audacity to challenge anyone else’s integrity?

Stop being a dishonest douche

 

[Avatar4321]

If common sense had anything to do with democrats gun control policies, they would be able to persuade people with out using the fear and grief of people who should be mourning. Democrat policies are purely emotion based. If reason was involved they wouldn’t be pushing policies that actually did something to stop mass shootings rather than ones that wouldn’t have changed anything.

Common sense gun control is placing the gun in your own hands so you can use it to protect yourself rather than remain unarmed targets for evil men. Common sense is using the tools you have to stop evil rather than making it illegal to have those tools.

Republicans have owned the house since 2010. The Aurora theater shooting happened, they did nothing. Virginia Tech happened, they did nothing, Sandy Hook happened, they did nothing, San Bernardino, California happened they did nothing, Orlando, Florida happened they did nothing, Las Vegas, Nevada happened, they did nothing, Sutherland Springs, Texas happened they did nothing, and Parkland, Florida happened and they won't do nothing. A total of 9 mass shootings since Republicans have held the house and they have refused to do anything. They haven't even talked about bump stocks being sold across this country.

Anything the NRA wants, the Republican party makes certain it happens.

What they did do is eliminate mental health background checks Obama initiated after Sandy Hook, as soon as Trump walked through the oval office door.
Trump repeals an Obama regulation keeping guns from people with certain mental health conditions

Obama asked Republicans to put people who were on no fly lists and terrorist watch lists on NO gun lists, and Republicans said NO.
Obama: It's 'insane' that people on the 'no-fly' list can buy guns - CNNPolitics

Then Orlando, Florida happened where a terrorist was on an FBI watch list walked into a gun store was able to load up and he killed 49 innocent people, and Republicans still did NOTHING. They didn't even think maybe Obama was right, these people should be on no gun lists.
Orlando shooting: 49 killed, shooter pledged ISIS allegiance - CNN

Florida just passed a law that requires a 21 age limit on all gun purchases and the NRA has already launched a law suit.

The National Rifle Association on Friday sued Florida over new gun restrictions that were signed into law in response to the Parkland school shooting that killed 17 people. The NRA filed the lawsuit just hours after Gov. Rick Scott signed the legislation, which, in addition to funding for school safety programs, raises the age limit for buying rifles from 18 to 21 and extends a three-day waiting period for handgun purchases to include long guns. It also establishes a program to arm trained teachers and campus employees.The NRA, however, is asking a federal judge to stop the new age requirement, arguing it violates the Constitution.

The NRA Is Suing Florida Over New Gun Control Laws Put In Place After The Parkland Shooting

Who is going to side with the NRA on this law suit against Florida?---REPUBLICANS are.

'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns

If you want common sense gun controls in this country, you'll have to VOTE for Democrats this coming November in the midterm election cycle. If you don't vote or vote for Republicans, you're just casting a vote for more sympathies and prayer vigils.

Why would they do anything? The constitution limits the authority they have to act with reserving that power to the states and the people.

The issue isn't the federal government isn’t doing enough (though had the government followed protocol this last shooting wouldn’t have happened). The issue is the states and the people haven’t done enough.

Rather than exercise your right to self defense, you are giving bureaucrats power to infringe on that right. Instead of being parents and teaching your children how to defend themselves and what to do in these situations, you are trying to take away their right to defend themselves and putting them in the hands of people protesting at the idea of protecting them.

We used to teach students how to fire a gun at schools. Now we teach them to be victims.

No the problem isnt Congress here

It’s you

That's a crock of crap. The Federal Government regulates everything in this country. Criminals and Felons can't buy guns (Federal law) but sick teenagers can walk in and buy an AR-15--when numerous threats were reported to law enforcement?

The Sheriff in Florida was interviewed, and he told everyone to report, report, report. When the reporter asked him, well if you would have had information on Cruz what would you have done? Sheriff--well we would have gone out and "talked" to him. Reporter--"Would you have been able to seize that AR-15"? Well no, he has a legal right to own it.

There are several things the Federal Government can do right now.

1. Ban the sale of semi-automatics in this country. They weren't legal prior to 2004. Or require a maintained liability insurance policy on each sale. Require that one owner can't buy more than 1 semi-automatic. Require that they are locked up and inaccessible to anyone but the owner. Limit clip size.
2. Ban bump stocks.
3. Mental health background checks--that Republicans took off as soon as Trump walked into office.
4. People who are on no fly lists and terrorist watch lists are on no gun lists.
5. Parents with kids and teenagers at home--required to keep all guns and ammo locked up and inaccessible to their kids at all times.
6. Gun shows--required to do back ground checks.
7. No private sales. If you want to sell your gun it goes to a licensed dealer on consignment, so they can do a background check on the new buyer.
8. When people report threatening behavior LOCAL law enforcement is notified and if reasonable cause they can seize all weapons and ammo, and that person is put on a no gun list.


These are common sense gun regulations, that could have been passed by Republicans, and they haven't done jack--over the last 9 years, and after 9 mass killings.

You keep saying common sense. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

It is not common sense to give the federal government power it’s not authorized to have.

It’s not common sense to strip rights from citizens without due process.

Nor is it common sense to even ban from the crazy when you define anyone who disagrees with you as crazy.

If your positions were common sense as you claim, you wouldn’t have to use a tragedy to force the policies through on fear, grief, and pure emotion

Have you ever had an original thought? Serious question, you simply echo the current meme as if you had some sort of epiphany.

I haven't given the POTUS the power of an Executive Privilege or the Federal Government other powers not express in Art. I, II or III.

Common sense suggests we play by the rules in effect and not pretend otherwise.

Marbury v. Madison is not listed as a power for the USSC in Art. III, yet it has been in effect for over 200 years;

EO's are not listed as a power of the President, in Art II, yet they have been used by Presidents for over 200 years;

yet, the meme that the powers in Art. I, sec 8, clause 1 don't include the common defense as anything more than an attack by a foreign power and the general Welfare is irrelevant and superseded by the 2nd A.

Have you ever actually made an argument on its merits rather than using petty insults and red herrings?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Here is a question:

Why should we allow people who define anyone who disagrees with them as insane the power to take weapons away from the insane?

Straw Man Alert ^^^

It's dishonest to spin another writer's post in this manner. Of course you know this, and that makes your mendacity a character flaw.

So you and countless others dont routinely call republicans and conservatives crazy for disagreeing with you?

You don’t think electing Donald Trump was insane?

Trump is a demagogue and a charlatan, biddable people are not insane. Those who voted for him who continue to believe his lies, are in denial; thankfully they have become less in number as time goes by.

I don't recall ever calling a conservative crazy, however the current iteration of conservatives are callous, selfish and greedy. The last real conservative died on Tuesday, Nov. 8, 2016. Today's brand are callous conservatives, not compassionate.

 

[BlackSand]

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The last real conservative died on Tuesday, Nov. 8, 2016.

Bullshit ...

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[Wry Catcher]

Republicans have owned the house since 2010. The Aurora theater shooting happened, they did nothing. Virginia Tech happened, they did nothing, Sandy Hook happened, they did nothing, San Bernardino, California happened they did nothing, Orlando, Florida happened they did nothing, Las Vegas, Nevada happened, they did nothing, Sutherland Springs, Texas happened they did nothing, and Parkland, Florida happened and they won't do nothing. A total of 9 mass shootings since Republicans have held the house and they have refused to do anything. They haven't even talked about bump stocks being sold across this country.

Anything the NRA wants, the Republican party makes certain it happens.

What they did do is eliminate mental health background checks Obama initiated after Sandy Hook, as soon as Trump walked through the oval office door.
Trump repeals an Obama regulation keeping guns from people with certain mental health conditions

Obama asked Republicans to put people who were on no fly lists and terrorist watch lists on NO gun lists, and Republicans said NO.
Obama: It's 'insane' that people on the 'no-fly' list can buy guns - CNNPolitics

Then Orlando, Florida happened where a terrorist was on an FBI watch list walked into a gun store was able to load up and he killed 49 innocent people, and Republicans still did NOTHING. They didn't even think maybe Obama was right, these people should be on no gun lists.
Orlando shooting: 49 killed, shooter pledged ISIS allegiance - CNN

Florida just passed a law that requires a 21 age limit on all gun purchases and the NRA has already launched a law suit.

The NRA Is Suing Florida Over New Gun Control Laws Put In Place After The Parkland Shooting

Who is going to side with the NRA on this law suit against Florida?---REPUBLICANS are.

'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns

If you want common sense gun controls in this country, you'll have to VOTE for Democrats this coming November in the midterm election cycle. If you don't vote or vote for Republicans, you're just casting a vote for more sympathies and prayer vigils.

Why would they do anything? The constitution limits the authority they have to act with reserving that power to the states and the people.

The issue isn't the federal government isn’t doing enough (though had the government followed protocol this last shooting wouldn’t have happened). The issue is the states and the people haven’t done enough.

Rather than exercise your right to self defense, you are giving bureaucrats power to infringe on that right. Instead of being parents and teaching your children how to defend themselves and what to do in these situations, you are trying to take away their right to defend themselves and putting them in the hands of people protesting at the idea of protecting them.

We used to teach students how to fire a gun at schools. Now we teach them to be victims.

No the problem isnt Congress here

It’s you

That's a crock of crap. The Federal Government regulates everything in this country. Criminals and Felons can't buy guns (Federal law) but sick teenagers can walk in and buy an AR-15--when numerous threats were reported to law enforcement?

The Sheriff in Florida was interviewed, and he told everyone to report, report, report. When the reporter asked him, well if you would have had information on Cruz what would you have done? Sheriff--well we would have gone out and "talked" to him. Reporter--"Would you have been able to seize that AR-15"? Well no, he has a legal right to own it.

There are several things the Federal Government can do right now.

1. Ban the sale of semi-automatics in this country. They weren't legal prior to 2004. Or require a maintained liability insurance policy on each sale. Require that one owner can't buy more than 1 semi-automatic. Require that they are locked up and inaccessible to anyone but the owner. Limit clip size.
2. Ban bump stocks.
3. Mental health background checks--that Republicans took off as soon as Trump walked into office.
4. People who are on no fly lists and terrorist watch lists are on no gun lists.
5. Parents with kids and teenagers at home--required to keep all guns and ammo locked up and inaccessible to their kids at all times.
6. Gun shows--required to do back ground checks.
7. No private sales. If you want to sell your gun it goes to a licensed dealer on consignment, so they can do a background check on the new buyer.
8. When people report threatening behavior LOCAL law enforcement is notified and if reasonable cause they can seize all weapons and ammo, and that person is put on a no gun list.


These are common sense gun regulations, that could have been passed by Republicans, and they haven't done jack--over the last 9 years, and after 9 mass killings.

You keep saying common sense. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

It is not common sense to give the federal government power it’s not authorized to have.

It’s not common sense to strip rights from citizens without due process.

Nor is it common sense to even ban from the crazy when you define anyone who disagrees with you as crazy.

If your positions were common sense as you claim, you wouldn’t have to use a tragedy to force the policies through on fear, grief, and pure emotion

Have you ever had an original thought? Serious question, you simply echo the current meme as if you had some sort of epiphany.

I haven't given the POTUS the power of an Executive Privilege or the Federal Government other powers not express in Art. I, II or III.

Common sense suggests we play by the rules in effect and not pretend otherwise.

Marbury v. Madison is not listed as a power for the USSC in Art. III, yet it has been in effect for over 200 years;

EO's are not listed as a power of the President, in Art II, yet they have been used by Presidents for over 200 years;

yet, the meme that the powers in Art. I, sec 8, clause 1 don't include the common defense as anything more than an attack by a foreign power and the general Welfare is irrelevant and superseded by the 2nd A.

Have you ever actually made an argument on its merits rather than using petty insults and red herrings?

I haven't in my memory never used red herrings, but ad hominems are fair game, I give what I get.
Mostly my attacks are directed on their comments, and usually I point out their comment is an idiot-gram (see my signature line for a definition).

I've made many expository threads and posts on such issue as education, taxes, foreign policy, gun policy and campaign contributions - usually they are taken seriously, of course the dimwits usually respond by using the funny button, and in those cases I remind the ready how poorly educated they are.

In response to your comment, I find it tantamount to pushing the funny button, but I gave you some food for thought since you didn't push it.

 

[oreo]

Republicans have owned the house since 2010. The Aurora theater shooting happened, they did nothing. Virginia Tech happened, they did nothing, Sandy Hook happened, they did nothing, San Bernardino, California happened they did nothing, Orlando, Florida happened they did nothing, Las Vegas, Nevada happened, they did nothing, Sutherland Springs, Texas happened they did nothing, and Parkland, Florida happened and they won't do nothing. A total of 9 mass shootings since Republicans have held the house and they have refused to do anything. They haven't even talked about bump stocks being sold across this country.

Anything the NRA wants, the Republican party makes certain it happens.

What they did do is eliminate mental health background checks Obama initiated after Sandy Hook, as soon as Trump walked through the oval office door.
Trump repeals an Obama regulation keeping guns from people with certain mental health conditions

Obama asked Republicans to put people who were on no fly lists and terrorist watch lists on NO gun lists, and Republicans said NO.
Obama: It's 'insane' that people on the 'no-fly' list can buy guns - CNNPolitics

Then Orlando, Florida happened where a terrorist was on an FBI watch list walked into a gun store was able to load up and he killed 49 innocent people, and Republicans still did NOTHING. They didn't even think maybe Obama was right, these people should be on no gun lists.
Orlando shooting: 49 killed, shooter pledged ISIS allegiance - CNN

Florida just passed a law that requires a 21 age limit on all gun purchases and the NRA has already launched a law suit.

The NRA Is Suing Florida Over New Gun Control Laws Put In Place After The Parkland Shooting

Who is going to side with the NRA on this law suit against Florida?---REPUBLICANS are.

'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns

If you want common sense gun controls in this country, you'll have to VOTE for Democrats this coming November in the midterm election cycle. If you don't vote or vote for Republicans, you're just casting a vote for more sympathies and prayer vigils.

Why would they do anything? The constitution limits the authority they have to act with reserving that power to the states and the people.

The issue isn't the federal government isn’t doing enough (though had the government followed protocol this last shooting wouldn’t have happened). The issue is the states and the people haven’t done enough.

Rather than exercise your right to self defense, you are giving bureaucrats power to infringe on that right. Instead of being parents and teaching your children how to defend themselves and what to do in these situations, you are trying to take away their right to defend themselves and putting them in the hands of people protesting at the idea of protecting them.

We used to teach students how to fire a gun at schools. Now we teach them to be victims.

No the problem isnt Congress here

It’s you

That's a crock of crap. The Federal Government regulates everything in this country. Criminals and Felons can't buy guns (Federal law) but sick teenagers can walk in and buy an AR-15--when numerous threats were reported to law enforcement?

The Sheriff in Florida was interviewed, and he told everyone to report, report, report. When the reporter asked him, well if you would have had information on Cruz what would you have done? Sheriff--well we would have gone out and "talked" to him. Reporter--"Would you have been able to seize that AR-15"? Well no, he has a legal right to own it.

There are several things the Federal Government can do right now.

1. Ban the sale of semi-automatics in this country. They weren't legal prior to 2004. Or require a maintained liability insurance policy on each sale. Require that one owner can't buy more than 1 semi-automatic. Require that they are locked up and inaccessible to anyone but the owner. Limit clip size.
2. Ban bump stocks.
3. Mental health background checks--that Republicans took off as soon as Trump walked into office.
4. People who are on no fly lists and terrorist watch lists are on no gun lists.
5. Parents with kids and teenagers at home--required to keep all guns and ammo locked up and inaccessible to their kids at all times.
6. Gun shows--required to do back ground checks.
7. No private sales. If you want to sell your gun it goes to a licensed dealer on consignment, so they can do a background check on the new buyer.
8. When people report threatening behavior LOCAL law enforcement is notified and if reasonable cause they can seize all weapons and ammo, and that person is put on a no gun list.


These are common sense gun regulations, that could have been passed by Republicans, and they haven't done jack--over the last 9 years, and after 9 mass killings.

You keep saying common sense. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

It is not common sense to give the federal government power it’s not authorized to have.

It’s not common sense to strip rights from citizens without due process.

Nor is it common sense to even ban from the crazy when you define anyone who disagrees with you as crazy.

If your positions were common sense as you claim, you wouldn’t have to use a tragedy to force the policies through on fear, grief, and pure emotion

Have you ever had an original thought? Serious question, you simply echo the current meme as if you had some sort of epiphany.

I haven't given the POTUS the power of an Executive Privilege or the Federal Government other powers not express in Art. I, II or III.

Common sense suggests we play by the rules in effect and not pretend otherwise.

Marbury v. Madison is not listed as a power for the USSC in Art. III, yet it has been in effect for over 200 years;

EO's are not listed as a power of the President, in Art II, yet they have been used by Presidents for over 200 years;

yet, the meme that the powers in Art. I, sec 8, clause 1 don't include the common defense as anything more than an attack by a foreign power and the general Welfare is irrelevant and superseded by the 2nd A.

Have you ever actually made an argument on its merits rather than using petty insults and red herrings?

Well it's too bad they don't sell brains, because you definitely need one. The biggest threat in this country today, are people who are buying semi automatics that should never own one.

Republicans are perfectly fine with it.
'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns

For common sense gun control VOTE for Democrats this coming November.

This is a good example of the typical REPUBLICAN response over this issue.

"One of those gun-rights defenders, FLORIDA-- GOP state Sen. Dennis Baxley, told VICE News that he opposes any restrictions on assault weapons — the kind of gun used by the Stoneman Douglas shooter, a 19-year-old former student at the school. "You can't just make policy that doesn't work," he told VICE News. "It's the mindset that's the issue," not the weapon.

When asked why Floridians should have the right to buy AR-15s, Baxley said he wanted to focus on cultural issues. "Spoons are used to eat stuff to kill yourself with obesity, but we're not picking up spoons to get rid of obesity," Baxley added.
This is the political aftermath of the Parkland school shooting

 

[Wry Catcher]

...
The last real conservative died on Tuesday, Nov. 8, 2016.

Bullshit ...

.

Name one.

Most were tossed under the bus during the Obama Administration, they were called RINO's.

When Trump took the oath of office (seriously he did, not that it has become apparent) the rest of the conservative Republicans wanted to get some benefits, and sought jobs in his administration (or like McConnell, a job for his wife), they were the Plutocrats, and CINO's even before the election.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

this is the mindset of every lefty activist:View attachment 179998

No Hog it doesnt seem like we're living in the sixties.
We didnt have school shootings in the sixties ya fuken moron.
What a weak ass attempt to try and tie the Little Rascals protest to the sixties.

How long in your life have you been a profane asshole?

Forever.

 

[BlackSand]

Name one.

Most were tossed under the bus during the Obama Administration, they were called RINO's.

When Trump took the oath of office (seriously he did, not that it has become apparent) the rest of the conservative Republicans wanted to get some benefits, and sought jobs in his administration (or like McConnell, a job for his wife), they were the Plutocrats, and CINO's even before the election.

First you need to explain what in the hell ever gave you the idea you had the authority to determine who is or isn't a true conservative.
As of yet ... You haven't identified one in your attempts to do so.

Most, for your information ... Aren't in politics, because they have no faith in a bloated massive federal government in the first place.

In my opinion ... The last/closest representation of a true conservative in Washington DC was President Coolidge.
It doesn't mean we no longer exist ... I means we think you and your stupid government in its current condition, really suck and have nothing worthwhile to offer ...

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[Cecilie1200]

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Since the student survivors of the mass murder at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School began their drive to ban the sale of semi-automatic, assault type rifles, the tremendous response from other students nationwide has turned their cause into a strong, grass roots movement.

Conservatives and their leaders are deeply concerned over the possible results this overwhelming number of kids could have. Conservatives, gun nuts, and Republican politicians are appalled by these kids demanding their safety be a priority over the gun nuts’ lunatic desire to own the phallic symbol that is their favorite to stroke and kiss.

Due to this uncontrollable fear conservatives have at the thought of losing their penile substitute, Mitch McConnell decided to ignore the growing number of young voters in this movement. With the coming mid-term elections, these many, many, many students now have the potential to join with tens-of-millions of progressive voters and put the Democrats in control of congress.

In addition to Mitch, conservative community leaders, conservatives on school boards and school administrators have done all they can to stifle the students’ enthusiasm. And now, the National Parks Service is doing so.

A “March For Our Lives” rally was planned by the Stoneman Douglas survivors to take place on the Mall in D.C., but organizers were refused a permit by the National Parks Service management. A representative for the Park Service cited a conflict with a “talent show” as the reason.

The co-executive producer of “Dancing With the Stars” Deena Katz was brought in by the Stoneman Douglas survivors to plan the major event and has a nearly $2 million budget. The money is was raised with a “GoFundMe page, along with donations from Oprah Winfrey, Steven Spielberg and George and Amal Clooney.”

The “talent show” permit application listed equipment for the film crew’s use for the Mall as two tables, two bikes and jump ropes.

The list on the permit application for the March For Our Lives rally included 14 Jumbotrons, 2,000 chairs and 2,000 portable restrooms to be funded with part of the $2 million.

This equipment will be used by the “student speakers, musical performers, guest speakers and video tributes,” and up to an estimated 500,000 attendees, according to the permit application.

The D.C. location for March For Our Lives rally is just one of many big and small events planned in cities across the nation on the same day.

For the conservatives, the gun nuts, and Republican politicians sworn to serve the NRA, be afraid, be very afraid. And keep trying to silence this protest by these young voters. Their anger is not going away, and their numbers are growing. How many millions in 2018? And how many millions more in 2020? Yes, be afraid, be very, very afraid. (And keep pi$$ing them off. It can only help their cause.)

As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. Unfortunately, the conservatives remain either unaware or will deny their individual response to this thread is their typical nonsense consisting of denial, alternate facts, and/or off-topic silliness. (e.g. non-sequiturs, ratings, transference, deflection, memes, etc.). Their mindless prattle is expected by people of reason, who also realize it is a waste of time to offer the conservatives any reply.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/organizers-plan-for-500000-attendees-at-march-for-our-lives-rally-in-washington/2018/02/22/a9ff1992-17f9-11e8-8ac5-84161111ace0_story.html?utm_term=.353cdd5cb3f1

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/march-for-our-lives-gun-control-rally-bumped-from-mall-by-talent-show/2018/03/01/ad8c7268-1cc6-11e8-9496-c89dc446c2d3_story.html?utm_term=.66b0cab356d5





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No these kids can't be silenced but they've got to do more than that. They have got to vote this coming November in the midterm election cycle. If you're 18 years old and not registered, register to vote now! If you're going to be 18 soon, register to vote as soon as you are. If you have friends that are 18 make sure they register and they VOTE. If you're away at college plan ahead to receive a mail-in ballot from your home state.

Someone who doesn't vote or votes for any Republican is voting for more sympathies and prayer vigils. Even though the Florida state legislature did a gun restriction on age, and as soon as you forget about it, and are not looking they'll go right back to the old gun regulations by lowering the age limit. Republicans have done this before. Do not be fooled by this.

The NRA is the Republican parties campaign cash cow and they are going to protect that cow no matter what.

The gun rights organization spent a stupendous $54.4 million in the 2016 election cycle, almost all of it in "independent expenditures," meaning spending for or against a candidate but not a direct contribution to a campaign. The money went almost entirely to Republicans to a degree that almost looks like a misprint (but isn't): Of independent expenditures totaling $52.6 million, Democrats received $265. Yes, that's 265 dollars.If you're looking for a reason that politicians are quick to declare that their "thoughts and prayers" are with the victims of the horrific slaughters that have become virtually routine in American life, but do nothing further to stop them, look no further.

'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns

If you want common sense gun control in this country, you'll have to vote for Democrats this coming November in the 2018 mid term election cycle.

If common sense had anything to do with democrats gun control policies, they would be able to persuade people with out using the fear and grief of people who should be mourning. Democrat policies are purely emotion based. If reason was involved they wouldn’t be pushing policies that actually did something to stop mass shootings rather than ones that wouldn’t have changed anything.

Common sense gun control is placing the gun in your own hands so you can use it to protect yourself rather than remain unarmed targets for evil men. Common sense is using the tools you have to stop evil rather than making it illegal to have those tools.

Republicans have owned the house since 2010. The Aurora theater shooting happened, they did nothing. Virginia Tech happened, they did nothing, Sandy Hook happened, they did nothing, San Bernardino, California happened they did nothing, Orlando, Florida happened they did nothing, Las Vegas, Nevada happened, they did nothing, Sutherland Springs, Texas happened they did nothing, and Parkland, Florida happened and they won't do nothing. A total of 9 mass shootings since Republicans have held the house and they have refused to do anything. They haven't even talked about bump stocks being sold across this country.

Anything the NRA wants, the Republican party makes certain it happens.

What they did do is eliminate mental health background checks Obama initiated after Sandy Hook, as soon as Trump walked through the oval office door.
Trump repeals an Obama regulation keeping guns from people with certain mental health conditions

Obama asked Republicans to put people who were on no fly lists and terrorist watch lists on NO gun lists, and Republicans said NO.
Obama: It's 'insane' that people on the 'no-fly' list can buy guns - CNNPolitics

Then Orlando, Florida happened where a terrorist was on an FBI watch list walked into a gun store was able to load up and he killed 49 innocent people, and Republicans still did NOTHING. They didn't even think maybe Obama was right, these people should be on no gun lists.
Orlando shooting: 49 killed, shooter pledged ISIS allegiance - CNN

Florida just passed a law that requires a 21 age limit on all gun purchases and the NRA has already launched a law suit.

The National Rifle Association on Friday sued Florida over new gun restrictions that were signed into law in response to the Parkland school shooting that killed 17 people. The NRA filed the lawsuit just hours after Gov. Rick Scott signed the legislation, which, in addition to funding for school safety programs, raises the age limit for buying rifles from 18 to 21 and extends a three-day waiting period for handgun purchases to include long guns. It also establishes a program to arm trained teachers and campus employees.The NRA, however, is asking a federal judge to stop the new age requirement, arguing it violates the Constitution.

The NRA Is Suing Florida Over New Gun Control Laws Put In Place After The Parkland Shooting

Who is going to side with the NRA on this law suit against Florida?---REPUBLICANS are.

'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns

If you want common sense gun controls in this country, you'll have to VOTE for Democrats this coming November in the midterm election cycle. If you don't vote or vote for Republicans, you're just casting a vote for more sympathies and prayer vigils.

Why would they do anything? The constitution limits the authority they have to act with reserving that power to the states and the people.

The issue isn't the federal government isn’t doing enough (though had the government followed protocol this last shooting wouldn’t have happened). The issue is the states and the people haven’t done enough.

Rather than exercise your right to self defense, you are giving bureaucrats power to infringe on that right. Instead of being parents and teaching your children how to defend themselves and what to do in these situations, you are trying to take away their right to defend themselves and putting them in the hands of people protesting at the idea of protecting them.

We used to teach students how to fire a gun at schools. Now we teach them to be victims.

No the problem isnt Congress here

It’s you

This is an absolutely brilliant and profound thought here, sort of a corollary to Ben Franklin's quote that those who give up freedom in the hope of safety get neither: the way to guarantee the most safety possible is by exercising your rights, rather than by surrendering them.

Thank you very much for casting this light on the subject.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Suddenly your leftist friends are OK with gay jokes.

So you're in your 70s and your insults never moved past high school?

The fact that a Progressive will say whatever they think can spark an emotion to benefit their cause ...
Is just an example of the idea it doesn't matter what the children say, or if they say it ... Because that has nothing to do with whether or not it is a good idea.

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Yes. And of course the "children" cannot be silenced, it's a free country. I'm sure you agree with that. But their strategy here

Leftist parents to their kids - all this time I've been teaching you leftism and how the first obligation of every leftist is to victimize ourselves first. This is your chance, you were in a terrible shooting. Go out and do it.

Leftist children - victimize themselves for leftism as they were taught

Leftists - OMG, look how courageous the children are!

There's nothing courageous about saying I'm a victim and I want my way because of it

Particularly when the audience to whom you're doing it has been handpicked to cheer you and congratulate you on your "courage".