Can Democrats Landslide the Republicans?

[georgephillip]

He may not win as big as he did in 2008 but he will win again. Nothing I see suggests its going to be close. The only time I even consider it is when rigthies insist they are going to win.

I have 2 x $100 bets with people who think Mitt or Santorum or Newt are/is going to beat Obama. LOL.

Even if gas spikes to $6-$7 a gallon because of war with Iran or if UE levels in this country remain above 8%? If Obama gets another term, do you see him "reforming" Social Security for Wall Street's benefit?

Yes. It seems like all the things the top 1% want, they eventually get regardless of which party is in office. The Dems will say they had to "compromise" with the GOP.

Clinton went along with WAY TOO MUCH with the GOP when he was Prez.

And Obama seems to be practicing triangulation too. Didn't he just sign a free trade deal with Columbia? Big mistake. That isn't going to create jobs. But like Clinton, he said it will. So far NAFTA hasn't added jobs.

But like my grandma said, "at least the Democrats give a dog a bone".

The Dems answer to labor/unions/middle class so they definately won't do what Paul Ryan wanted to do to SS and Medicare. In fact, if WE THE VOTERS vote in enough Democrats and we pressure them, they could actually fix/strengthen social security and medicare.

I would love single payer. But even with 60 seats the Dems couldn't give us the best solution. But at least they got some reform through. What did the GOP do? They allowed 10 million people to become uninsured on their watch because the healthcare giants had a monopoly and gouged us for as much as they could. Now today even people with healthcare think it sucks. Now they can blame Obamacare but it sucked before that.

Obama is the only Democrat or Republican I see that could hand the Social Security Trust Fund over to Wall Street during his second term. The FICA tax reduction has (arguably) established a first time link between the Trust Fund and general revenues. Two years from now, Obama could make a very convincing case for insolvency and "reform" of Social Security as it's functioned over that last 80 years.

The 1% would certainly get their share of that, also.

 

[BreezeWood]

Can Democrats Landslide the Republicans?

After the last three years, winning by one vote would be a landslide - holding the Senate and regaining the House would not be a landslide but a reach for sanity ... there remains a great deal of uncertainty but surly Nov. and an inevitable outcome will be upon us.

unemployment may need to be below 8% for the Democrats to pull it off.

If Nader's correct when he says "... the two parties (are) often seen as Republicrats or DemReps, due to the lack of credible, distinct differences on military, foreign policy, trade, agribusiness, energy and corporate crime/welfare subjects..." what level of misery next November would compel you to vote AGAINST both corporate parties?

The same technology that's filling Tahrir Square and fueling the OWS movements could be used to convince millions of US voters to FLUSH hundreds of incumbents, Republicans AND Democrats, from DC in a single news cycle next November.

Why are people quoting Nader ??? - when he professed there would be no difference between Bush and Gore and gave it to Bush he wrote his own miserable epitaph of political euthanasia.

As satisfying as kicking both parties out of power might be there remains a difference between the two with distinct consequences - Gore's Supreme Court nominees would have their effect today as in fact it is those belonging to Bush that are shaping the future.

 

[georgephillip]

Yes, if trends continue. And if you can't tell the difference between the two, please be a good citizen and study.

Ralph seems like a pretty good citizen to study with:

"Third, cut the huge, bloated, wasteful military budget, really end the wars, and switch the expected savings into repairing and renovating America through a public works program all over the country with good-paying, non-exportable jobs.

"Fourth, shift much of the tax burdens to activities we do not like, such as pollution, huge Wall Street speculation, corporate crime waves and profits from systemic product waste. Even Exxon/Mobil supports the idea of a carbon tax, which would help the environment. The motto: tax what you burn before you tax what you earn.

"Fifth, announce a national energy conversion campaign based on efficiency and renewables. The only true energy independence comes from the sun in its many manifestations. This will create more local employment and small businesses down to the community-neighborhood levels. Goodbye to the toxic fossil fuel and atomic energy cartels."

Do you think it's likely elected Republicans OR Democrats will ever support proposals like these?

Can Democrats Landslide Republicans? | Common Dreams

 

[georgephillip]

After the last three years, winning by one vote would be a landslide - holding the Senate and regaining the House would not be a landslide but a reach for sanity ... there remains a great deal of uncertainty but surly Nov. and an inevitable outcome will be upon us.

unemployment may need to be below 8% for the Democrats to pull it off.

If Nader's correct when he says "... the two parties (are) often seen as Republicrats or DemReps, due to the lack of credible, distinct differences on military, foreign policy, trade, agribusiness, energy and corporate crime/welfare subjects..." what level of misery next November would compel you to vote AGAINST both corporate parties?

The same technology that's filling Tahrir Square and fueling the OWS movements could be used to convince millions of US voters to FLUSH hundreds of incumbents, Republicans AND Democrats, from DC in a single news cycle next November.

Why are people quoting Nader ??? - when he professed there would be no difference between Bush and Gore and gave it to Bush he wrote his own miserable epitaph of political euthanasia.

As satisfying as kicking both parties out of power might be there remains a difference between the two with distinct consequences - Gore's Supreme Court nominees would have their effect today as in fact it is those belonging to Bush that are shaping the future.

Can you point to any "credible, distinct differences on military, foreign policy, trade, agribusiness, energy and corporate crime/welfare subjects.." between elites in either major party?

IMHO, Gore lost in 2000 because his brother wasn't governor of Florida.

 

[sealybobo]

Even if gas spikes to $6-$7 a gallon because of war with Iran or if UE levels in this country remain above 8%? If Obama gets another term, do you see him "reforming" Social Security for Wall Street's benefit?

Yes. It seems like all the things the top 1% want, they eventually get regardless of which party is in office. The Dems will say they had to "compromise" with the GOP.

Clinton went along with WAY TOO MUCH with the GOP when he was Prez.

And Obama seems to be practicing triangulation too. Didn't he just sign a free trade deal with Columbia? Big mistake. That isn't going to create jobs. But like Clinton, he said it will. So far NAFTA hasn't added jobs.

But like my grandma said, "at least the Democrats give a dog a bone".

The Dems answer to labor/unions/middle class so they definately won't do what Paul Ryan wanted to do to SS and Medicare. In fact, if WE THE VOTERS vote in enough Democrats and we pressure them, they could actually fix/strengthen social security and medicare.

I would love single payer. But even with 60 seats the Dems couldn't give us the best solution. But at least they got some reform through. What did the GOP do? They allowed 10 million people to become uninsured on their watch because the healthcare giants had a monopoly and gouged us for as much as they could. Now today even people with healthcare think it sucks. Now they can blame Obamacare but it sucked before that.

Obama is the only Democrat or Republican I see that could hand the Social Security Trust Fund over to Wall Street during his second term. The FICA tax reduction has (arguably) established a first time link between the Trust Fund and general revenues. Two years from now, Obama could make a very convincing case for insolvency and "reform" of Social Security as it's functioned over that last 80 years.

The 1% would certainly get their share of that, also.

Us Liberals get furious when the Dems go along with the premise that social security and medicare need to be reformed. They raped the kitty too. So we call them and flood their phone lines and tell them they better not. That is the only reason they didn't during the debt ceiling fiasco. We told them to stop caving into the GOP.

Hopefully people remember in November that Paul Ryan wanted to basically privatize medicare. Give seniors $6K a year and tell them to go find healthcare on the free market for $6K. What a hoot.

If the GOP have control of all three houses, they will most certainly end social security and medicare as we know it.

 

[Peach]

The Governor of Florida AND his crony, Harris did all they could for Bush. Harris was defeated in the 2006 Senate race with the help of BOTH Jeb!ro Bush & Karl Rove who openly questioned her ability to be a Senator. She got 39% of the vote against Nelson. Since then she just YAPS; not one of those beautiful right wing women Ann THE MAN Coulter raves about.


Take from man his selfish propensities, and he can have nothing to seduce him from the practice of virtue. Or subdue those propensities by education, instruction or restraint, and virtue remains without a competitor. Jefferson

 

[georgephillip]

Capitalism as we know it is doomed and it did it's own self in.

Too much money in too few hands.

"he Great Financial Crisis and the Great Recession that followed close upon it have uncovered the depth of the contradictions facing capitalism in this phase, which I have labeled monopoly-finance capital.'

"Specifically, the overall crisis has revealed that capitalism, at its vital core, is caught in a stagnation-financialization trap with no visible way out. The geopolitical implications of course are vast. Not only is capitalism weakening in many ways at the center but U.S. hegemony is also compromised.

"The dollar at first strengthened in this crisis, but the long-term implications for the dollar are negative.

"On top of the worst world economic downturn since the Great Depression, we are also facing, as you indicate, the worst environmental threat in history (indeed what might be viewed as the ultimate environmental threat, with the destabilizing of the climate), the rapid growth of world hunger, and the prospect of peak oil.

"Inequality in the world (both between rich and poor countries and within states) is increasing."

"The Financial Crisis and Imperialism: Interview of John Bellamy Foster by Farooque Chowdhury for Bangla Monthly Review"

Capitalism is hardwired for self-destruction.
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NO! With proper controls it remains the finest economic system ever known. We could use another Teddy TRUSTBUSTER Roosevelt, sure. But today's Republicans are not interested in busting up monopolies, just making money off 'em.

Teddy and his more famous cousin saved capitalism from itself; however, they did it for purely selfish motives. It is also relevant to say the capitalism they saved actually produced wealth in contrast to today's version which simply extracts wealth.

Today's Republicans AND Democrats depend on the 1% to fund their campaigns.
The 1% depend on eternal war and endless debt to fund their lifestyles.
Therefore, Republicans AND Democrats (and the 1%?) have outlived their usefulness to 99% of Americans.

 

[georgephillip]

The Governor of Florida AND his crony, Harris did all they could for Bush. Harris was defeated in the 2006 Senate race with the help of BOTH Jeb!ro Bush & Karl Rove who openly questioned her ability to be a Senator. She got 39% of the vote against Nelson. Since then she just YAPS; not one of those beautiful right wing women Ann THE MAN Coulter raves about.


Take from man his selfish propensities, and he can have nothing to seduce him from the practice of virtue. Or subdue those propensities by education, instruction or restraint, and virtue remains without a competitor. Jefferson

"In November the U.S. media, lost in patriotic reverie, dressed up the Florida recount as a victory for President Bush. But however one reads the ballots, Bush's win would certainly have been jeopardized had not some Floridians been barred from casting ballots at all.

"Between May 1999 and Election Day 2000, two Florida secretaries of state - Sandra Mortham and Katherine Harris, both protegees of Governor Jeb Bush- ordered 57,700 'ex-felons,' who are prohibited from voting by state law, to be removed from voter rolls. (In the thirty-five states where former felons can vote, roughly 90 percent vote Democratic.)

"A portion of the list, which was compiled for Florida by DBT Online, can be seen for the first time here; DBT, a company now owned by ChoicePoint of Atlanta, was paid $4.3 million for its work, replacing a firm that charged $5,700 per year for the same service.

"If the hope was that DBT would enable Florida to exclude more voters, then the state appears to have spent its money wisely."

Greg Palast | Investigative Reporter

The Gore campaign had this information and more during the Florida recount and chose not to contest the fraud. That's what happens when both candidates come from the 1%.

 

[francoHFW]

If Nader's correct when he says "... the two parties (are) often seen as Republicrats or DemReps, due to the lack of credible, distinct differences on military, foreign policy, trade, agribusiness, energy and corporate crime/welfare subjects..." what level of misery next November would compel you to vote AGAINST both corporate parties?

The same technology that's filling Tahrir Square and fueling the OWS movements could be used to convince millions of US voters to FLUSH hundreds of incumbents, Republicans AND Democrats, from DC in a single news cycle next November.

Why are people quoting Nader ??? - when he professed there would be no difference between Bush and Gore and gave it to Bush he wrote his own miserable epitaph of political euthanasia.

As satisfying as kicking both parties out of power might be there remains a difference between the two with distinct consequences - Gore's Supreme Court nominees would have their effect today as in fact it is those belonging to Bush that are shaping the future.

Can you point to any "credible, distinct differences on military, foreign policy, trade, agribusiness, energy and corporate crime/welfare subjects.." between elites in either major party?

IMHO, Gore lost in 2000 because his brother wasn't governor of Florida.

Absolutely, what drivel.

You're right about Gore, but don't forget the worst Supreme Court EVER.

 

[rdean]

The problem the Republicans are having are these cartoons. Loaded with truth. It has to be annoying.

 

[georgephillip]

Why are people quoting Nader ??? - when he professed there would be no difference between Bush and Gore and gave it to Bush he wrote his own miserable epitaph of political euthanasia.

As satisfying as kicking both parties out of power might be there remains a difference between the two with distinct consequences - Gore's Supreme Court nominees would have their effect today as in fact it is those belonging to Bush that are shaping the future.

Can you point to any "credible, distinct differences on military, foreign policy, trade, agribusiness, energy and corporate crime/welfare subjects.." between elites in either major party?

IMHO, Gore lost in 2000 because his brother wasn't governor of Florida.

Absolutely, what drivel.

You're right about Gore, but don't forget the worst Supreme Court EVER.

And just when you thought SCOTUS hit rock bottom... John "Corporate" Roberts showed up.

I'm pretty sure if Nader had moved into the White House in 2009, we would already have seen hundreds of Wall Street banksters indicted, tried and convicted in the same way they were after the S&L looting twenty years ago.

That will never happen if Republicans AND Democrats maintain their stranglehold on US politics.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I think people like being unemployed and on food stamps while we get our credit downgraded, so yeah, Dems can landlside

 

[BreezeWood]

Well, if nothing more is accomplished - the last 3 years and the next 9 months from the Landslide of 08 will have been well worth the effort irregardless the outcome in Nov. .... and the Republican Recession to blame.

 

[Oldstyle]

They would if Americans were capable of taking the long view of government policy. Sadly most of us are incapable of thinking past the next election or business quarter.

Funny how progressives are suddenly in love with the "long view" ever since Barry got into office. Is that because he hasn't done much of anything for the first three years he's been in office expect have championship teams over to the White House, fly around on Air Force One, work on his golf game at some SWEET courses and spend LOTS of our money on things that don't work? So the whole long view thing is needed because NOW Barry is going to fix things...right? You guys kill me...

 

[georgephillip]

I think people like being unemployed and on food stamps while we get our credit downgraded, so yeah, Dems can landlside

In 2000, federal and state governments spent about 37 cents on the safety net from every dollar they collected in revenue. Today they're spending nearly 66 cents of every dollar of revenue thanks to a pair of unfunded wars, three rounds of tax cuts, and one huge Medicare expansion.

Who gets the credit for that corporate landslide?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/us/even-critics-of-safety-net-increasingly-depend-on-it.html?pagewanted=all&utm_source=Daily+Digest&utm_campaign=9716a6289b-DD_2_13_122_13_2012&utm_medium=email

 

[Seawytch]

Can Democrats Landslide the Republicans?

Depends on who the GOP nominee is. If it's Willard, no it won't be a landslide, but still a win for Obama. If it's Frothy Santorum or the Newt...yes, landslide.

 

[Katzndogz]

As many groups as obama has alienated, it's not likely that he's going to face a landslide. With enough fraud, he can get by with a squeaker. The better question is when he loses, will he call for civil war to keep himself in office?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Can Democrats Landslide the Republicans?

Do yo mean in a mountain more of debt for the republican party to add onto? Or do you mean in a vote favorable for yet more deficit/debt spending?

 

[zeke]

Is that because he hasn't done much of anything for the first three years he's been in office expect have championship teams over to the White House, fly around on Air Force One, work on his golf game at some SWEET courses and spend LOTS of our money on things that don't work? So the whole long view thing is needed because NOW Barry is going to fix things...right? You guys kill me...

wtf you talking about? Evidentally you don't read much. Particularly on here. There are any number of right wingers who will tell you EXACTLY what Obama has been doing for his three plus years.

Being a socialist marxist foreign born closet homo bank hating tax loving welfare providing car loving communist.

And you think he hasn't "done much of anything".

On top of his other activities, he has been able to cause a resurgence in the KKK, single handedly stir up Muslim resentment and hatred and he has INVITED 20 million illegal Mexicans to the White House.
And got us into 5 more wars. or was it 6?

wth else you want? I got more. Not much of it true, but what the hell. Who needs truth when you can make shit up. This is the Internet. Not truth or consequence.

 

[georgephillip]

Well, if nothing more is accomplished - the last 3 years and the next 9 months from the Landslide of 08 will have been well worth the effort irregardless the outcome in Nov. .... and the Republican Recession to blame.

Since Republicans AND Democrats depend on the 1% to fund their election campaigns and the 1% depend on eternal war and endless debt to fund their lifestyles, both parties deserve to be landslided into the dustbin of history.