Can any member of the rabid right-libertarian front justify this statement?

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  1. dilloduck
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    Why don't you tell us why America is so much better off because of desegregation, affirmative action and the voting rights act.
     
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    Yea, I'd like to hear that as well.

    Tick tock................:scratch:
     
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    My question was not directed at you, but rather Gunny L. Please give him an opportunity to answer.
     
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    no answer huh
     
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    I am not refusing to give an answer, but I am refusing to allow you to hijack this thread. When Gunny L explains his last post, I will considering answering you.
     
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    The first, obvious no-brainer is affirmative action. Hiring based on racial quota, not qualification. Same with promotions. Same with scolarships. Same with school seats.

    Forcing people to integrate with people they neither want to integrate with or even know, causes nothing but hatred and/or resentment, by BOTH parties.

    Since our laws and/or unwritten rules we live by cater to the minority at the expense of the majority, it's caused a seething resentment that just keeps growing. Labelling people "racist" doesn't change that. If anything, it reinforces it.

    ANY controversy that involves whites and minorities of another race always defelcts to race, and that becomes the issue rather than the original issue; which, usually goes unresolved.

    Katrina is a perfect example. There were screwups at every level, but because a bunch of people were too stupid to get out of the way of a Cat 5 hurricane, and the overwhelming majority of them happened to be black, the fact that our government bureaucacy is slow and stupid turned into an issue of racism. No one cared about NO because the people were black. Bullshit.

    How about OJ? He walked on a murder because whites feared the response of blacks.

    How about old Rodney King? He gets beat up by cops abusing their authority who also happen to be white and the blacks destroy part of LA. I recall them doing the same in Liberty City, a suburb of Miami, in 1980.

    Forced integration is a failure every time, and it was played out on a smaller scale with bussing; which, was finally decalred a failure and abandoned.

    What happened in Yugoslavia once the force (Tito) was gone? What's happening in Iraq?

    I don't see that forced integration has done much of anything in this Nation. Everyone pretty-much huddles up with their own groups and interact with others only as much as they are required to in order to get through life.
     
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    I don't know why you'd lump libertarians with the "rabid-right", or why you think they would support segregation laws. If you think the government has any right to pass laws requiring business owners to treat certain demographics as sub-human, sorry but you aren't a libertarian.

    Of course libertarians also oppose government mandated racial quotas. People, including business owners, should be free to associate and/or hire whoever they please.
     
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    Affirmative action is not necessarily the result of the civil rights movement. The most you can say that the civil rights movement allowed minorities to become more politically active so naturally politicians try to attract their votes. Furthermore affirmative action has also been applied to women and non-black minorities so it did not stem solely from the black civil rights movement.

    Bigots cannot go to private schools, move to different neighborhoods or find a different job? And just how was it any better to tell minorities they are not welcome in certain places and are not entitled to hold certain jobs?

    What was Jim Crow doing?

    Care to give some examples?

    When’s the last time the federal government offered such an inadequate response to a major natural disaster that had struck a region with a large minority population? How fast did federal aid reach non-minorities after 9-11, or any one of the numerous earthquakes that hit non-minority areas of California? And I don’t recall anyone complaining about how slow the federal response was to the various non-minority regions of Florida when the state was hit by 4 hurricanes in 2004. You didn’t more than 2 weeks without hearing about GWB touring some storm ravaged region of Florida.

    Talk about stereotyping.

    True. But consider how easy it used to be for the Klan to lynch black people.

    You prefer legally sanctioned bigotry?

    How does this compare to America? Are you saying America cannot be a racially and religiously diverse country and still have a great deal of national unity?

    If integration had not been forced, how else would it have been achieved? Or do you prefer a segregated society?


    The fact that bigotry is no longer given official sanction through either the overt or covert support of the government is the greatest achievement of the civil rights movement. America is no longer a society in which it is acceptable to be a bigot.
     
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    Wrong. It's completely acceptable to be a bigot just so long as you are allowed to be a bigotted against the appropriately listed PC, SP bad guy list. You, for example, in your extremism against those you label "bigot," are as bigotted as the worst racist I have ever met. The second someone says race the original problem vanishes in your mind and you go into attack mode, labelling people as if that in an dof itself was a suitable argument.

    And it's people who express the opinions you have who I referred to earlier who need to get over themselves.
     

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