California unveils Native American monument at Capitol, replacing missionary statue toppled in 2020

[martybegan]

You ignorant snowflake white really prefer those fairy tales over reality don't you?

What European leaders exported around the world was economic subjugation but the first to be subjugated by them were poor white trash Europeans like yourself.

The Austro Hungarian Empire is a prime example. As was the constant change of rulership of Northern France during the Hundred Years war. Then the whole THERE IS A POLAND THERE IS NO POLAND THERE IS A POLAND THERE IS NO POLAND thing over centuries of European history.

 

[Hellbilly]

But we can't talk about that. Nor can we ever talk about the attacks on whites they did.

Like many will bring up the Bear Creek massacre without a problem. Yet at the same time will never bring up the Fort Hall Massacre or the Utter Massacre. It's like they want to pretend that it was not something that went both ways.

That’s what happens when you steal land and murder Indigenous people.

 

[Mushroom]

That’s what happens when you steal land and murder Indigenous people.

Uh, the Utter and Fort Hall Massacres came first.

God, you really do know nothing of the history of the various tribes, do you?

Care to explain all the massacres of the Absaroka by the Lakota?

 

[Hellbilly]

Uh, the Utter and Fort Hall Massacres came first.

The first massacres happened in the1400’s genius.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Almost entirely emotional falsehoods

Solid, verifiable facts.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Uh, the Utter and Fort Hall Massacres came first.

God, you really do know nothing of the history of the various tribes, do you?

Care to explain all the massacres of the Absaroka by the Lakota?

In the 1600s, the Powhatan wars were blood baths. King Philip's war was a blood bath, the destruction of the Pequots was a blood bath. This only on the North American eastern seaboard before 1700.

All the ethnic native American tribal fights mean nothing compared to white genocide of indigenous peoples.

 

[Wapasha]

The indians in those parts had slaves and brutally killed one another.

While some tribes were always warring with their neighbors, I don't know enough about the Miwok tribe to say they did that as well. However, people being people, it's pretty universal that there are always conflicts and feuds with neighboring tribes and villages.

I did some reading and could not find any references to the Miwok being warlike.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The Miwok tribes, indigenous to what is now Northern California, were known for their diverse culture and lifestyle that varied according to the natural resources of their location1. They traditionally spoke one of the Miwok languages in the Utian family2. The Bay Miwok, one of the subgroups, lived by hunting and gathering, and lived in small bands without centralized political authority3. There is no specific mention of the Miwok tribes being warlike. They were neighbors to the Wappo and Washoe tribes, with whom they frequently traded1. Their tribal lands were subject to various incursions by the Spanish, Mexicans, and finally the Americans1.
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Learn more:
1. warpaths2peacepipes.com2. en.wikipedia.org3. en.wikipedia.org4. onlytribal.com5. yosemite.ca.us6. en.wikipedia.org+4 more

 

[Wapasha]

In the 1600s, the Powhatan wars were blood baths. King Philip's war was a blood bath, the destruction of the Pequots was a blood bath. This only on the North American eastern seaboard before 1700.

All the ethnic native American tribal fights mean nothing compared to white genocide of indigenous peoples.

The worst genocide was them simply breathing their germs on the people that lived here. It's one thing to have a viral epidemic, but Europeans breathed an entire cocktail of germs and viruses, so Native Americans were inflicted with multiple diseases all at once. And then more Europeans arrived with new viruses, and the people that survived the mumps and scarlet fever, were inflicted with measles and influenza, or smallpox, rinse repeat.

History shows that some European explorers returned and were expecting the tens of thousands of people they visited years before, and were shocked most everyone was dead and gone and their culture and tribal knowledge were almost completely wiped out. Combine all that with living during the harsh life during the Little Ice Age, and life was especially brutal.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The Comanche had a thousand plus warriors in 1838 when they raided across Texas to the sea. By the 1860s, they could never get more than 25 warriors at a time. Disease not Texas Rangers defeated the Comanche.

 

[Wapasha]

The Comanche had a thousand plus warriors in 1838 when they raided across Texas to the sea. By the 1860s, they could never get more than 25 warriors at a time. Disease not Texas Rangers defeated the Comanche.

True. But if the native people had not been decimated by disease, the incursions into their lands would have been completely different, if the Europeans confronted lands inhabited by millions of people.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Of course. However, "westerrn" technoloy and numbers would have subsumed native culture.

 

[Mushroom]

The first massacres happened in the1400’s genius.

Really? They did?

And exactly when and where was that?

Well, unless you are talking about the massacres that caused the collapse of the Mississippian Culture.

 

[Mushroom]

I don't know enough about the Miwok tribe to say they did that as well.

Actually, for most of the tribes in the Americas, "war" was almost ceremonial. Quite often few actually killed, not unlike say elk contesting for breeding rights. And captives were common, and even though it was "slavery" it was not the chattel slavery as Europeans would understand. And as such things were common in almost all primitive peoples such as "bride stealing", it also serves a purpose of preventing inbreeding as it brings in "fresh blood" to a tribe where otherwise almost everybody is literally a relative of each other.

The tribes like the Lakota and Apache were actually exceptions rather than the rule, as it would not be unusual for many tribes to actually have wars where nobody died. Their warriors would beat each other with sticks and clubs, and at the end of the battle the losers would move to a new location to lick their wounds.

But the Miwok were known to be warlike if the need arose. I already mentioned Chief Marin, who led an uprising of the Miwok against the Spanish at the start of the 1800s. Pomponino was another Miwok war leader that led a group that actually called themselves "Los Insurgentes" against the Spanish during the same time period.